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Vherka
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:22:00 - [1]
 

-"micro"-transactions
-Hasn't been a real expansion in almost a year
-CCP has showed its greedy side, and lost all my trust
-CSM being useless as always
-The door


No, i am not mad.
No, you cannot have my stuff.
No, this is not my main.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:26:00 - [2]
 

The only post you have ever made is to waste our time telling us your leaving.

A big Rolling Eyes for you.

Mr Epeen Cool

Trig Onami
Caldari
Onami Corporation
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:26:00 - [3]
 

IBTM -> OOPE

Coffee Shopper
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:26:00 - [4]
 

-Stupid whining

No, I do not care.

Twisted Evil

centurion zulu
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:31:00 - [5]
 


Post with your main, otherwise it's just another troll.

Get serious like some of the rest of us that are letting our subs run out.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:39:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
The only post you have ever made is to waste our time telling us your leaving.

A big Rolling Eyes for you.

Mr Epeen Cool

Making a post in which I am *forced* to agree with Mr. E? -10,000 internets for you! GTFO *****!

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:50:00 - [7]
 

So what was incursion again? Honestly that was a great pve expansion.

Carebears are learning the joys of working in fleets and fleet battles.

Many of these carebears teamed up and joined the same corps together.

Now the roam the heavens looking for kills.

Cuthbert Chin
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:09:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Cuthbert Chin on 02/08/2011 18:12:15
Rather than make yet another "why I give up" thread, I'll add my 2 cents here:

Today is August 2nd, exactly one month after the CCP-CSM emergency meeting results blog was posted. In that time, CCP has managed to post an additional 8 blogs, none of which deal with the abysmal expansion Incarna is turning out to be. In the mean time patch 1.0.2 was pulled, and after posting the usual "we will keep you posted" tripe, that thread has been silently unstickied and no information regarding 1.0.2 has been released since. I really don't care about the whole NEX-store debacle, what I care about is the removal of functionality to push that store on the players, at least that is my perception, as I care about my hangar. One month on CCP has not been able to tell me in what form and when my hangar will return, while I felt that should have been part of the resolution of the summit in the first place.

The second reason for my leaving is because autism seems to be a requirement for employment by CCP. I'm not talking about the utter failure to communicate, I'm talking about the apparent disconnect between CCP designers/developers and the gaming world at large. To this day I always zoom 1 tick in the wrong direction before I remember that I'm playing special needs game EVE, which has zoom inverted compared to just about every game in existence. So upon release of Incarna it was no surprise to me to find out that the EVE developers had decided to devise their own WASD scheme and decided that modifier keys were a superfluos concept. Not surprised, but damn, was I annoyed.

Since I pay for my accounts six months in advance, I could not cancel my accounts in anger, I had to wait for them to expire, the first expires in 2 days. The good thing was that I had a chance to see the storm calm down, and then focus on the actions of CCP. There have been *none*. Actually there have not only been no actions, there have been no words either.

No actions, no words: no money.

I'll be monitoring the dev blogs and patch notes for a while, hopefully reading about the return of the hangar, the fixing of modifier keys, and the actual release of WiS, as opposed to the hateful, pitiful jail I can walk around in right now (I don't get how you can work on an expansion for 5 years, and then release 1 jail in 1 races textures, seriously, this is duke nuke 'em level incompetence).

Fly safe, have fun, so long and thanks for all the fish.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:30:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Vherka
-"micro"-transactions
-Hasn't been a real expansion in almost a year
-CCP has showed its greedy side, and lost all my trust
-CSM being useless as always
-The door


No, i am not mad.
No, you cannot have my stuff.
No, this is not my main.


Can I have your stuff please?

(notice the writing effort) YARRRR!!

CanIHave YourStuff
Minmatar
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:36:00 - [10]
 

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Malephar
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:56:00 - [11]
 

Dude, why introduce yourself to a group of people that you're about to no-longer be a member of?

Try posting in the forums of the game that you're STARTING to play - you'll get a much more friendly response, usually involving top tips, guild/clan invitations, and maybe some free stuff.

Athena Tarsis
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.08.04 07:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Vherka
-"micro"-transactions

Which you don't have to engage in, nor will anyone who does have any impact on you.

Quote:
-Hasn't been a real expansion in almost a year

Do you not enjoy Eve as you've been playing it for the last year? If so, this might be a real reason to unsub.

Quote:
-CCP has showed its greedy side, and lost all my trust

I know, right? A company that's actually trying to, uh, make a profit. Very unlike any other game company out there, ya know? Rolling Eyes

Quote:
-CSM being useless as always

That's a debatable point, but even if they are completely useless .. so what? There isn't another MMO out there, that I'm aware of, that makes even one fraction of the attempt Eve has made with having a CSM. Real, player-elected folks that get the ear of the devs on a regular basis? Even if they're completely ineffectual, it's still a facet of this game that no other game has.

Quote:
-The door

So, don't elect to stare at the door. You do have an option to stare at a functional station interior instead. To be honest, I'm not sure why staring at door is much different than staring at the same ship you spend all your time staring at when you're not in the station though.

Sounds to me like you really only have one legitimate reason for unsubbing, and that's if you don't enjoy the actual game play that Eve has been providing for the last year. More than reason enough. But the rest of that list is just pointless.

Sha'ira Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.04 07:20:00 - [13]
 

Just shutup and biomass your character already. Noones gonna miss you.

Ms Kiva
Posted - 2011.08.04 07:45:00 - [14]
 

I agree MT and lack of content is utter fail.

Good bye OP, hope you can find fun in another game. 0/

clamslayer
Posted - 2011.08.04 07:46:00 - [15]
 

Some advice, be sure to biomass your character, otherwise you will end up coming back like all the other rage quitters.

o/

Marara Kovacs
Posted - 2011.08.04 10:00:00 - [16]
 

Hello Kitty Online must be doing great with all the new subs they are picking up nowadays.

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.04 10:41:00 - [17]
 

Contract your stuff to me, you will not regret it.

Gibbo5771
Posted - 2011.08.04 11:27:00 - [18]
 

Dont let the "door" hit you on the way out

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.04 11:34:00 - [19]
 

Moved from General Discussion.

Kieron VonDeux
Posted - 2011.08.04 11:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Vherka
-"micro"-transactions
-Hasn't been a real expansion in almost a year
-CCP has showed its greedy side, and lost all my trust
-CSM being useless as always
-The door


No, i am not mad.
No, you cannot have my stuff.
No, this is not my main.


You may see the door as the Devs showing you the way out if you don't like it,

I see it as a teaser of what is to come in the future. Kind of a "glass is half empty/full thing.

You may be making the best choice though. It sounds like you and the game would be better off without you. I wish more would make that choice.

Photon Ceray
Posted - 2011.08.04 11:51:00 - [21]
 

I'll add the worst customer support of any game to the list.

Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2011.08.04 11:56:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Photon Ceray
I'll add the worst customer support of any game to the list.


If you read these forums and all the idiots posting, do you honestly still wonder how come the customer support are just a bunch of husks of what was once human beings?

VaL Iscariot
Caldari
The Concilium Enterprises
Spectrum Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.04 13:27:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Athena Tarsis
Originally by: Vherka
-"micro"-transactions

Which you don't have to engage in, nor will anyone who does have any impact on you.

Quote:
-Hasn't been a real expansion in almost a year

Do you not enjoy Eve as you've been playing it for the last year? If so, this might be a real reason to unsub.

Quote:
-CCP has showed its greedy side, and lost all my trust

I know, right? A company that's actually trying to, uh, make a profit. Very unlike any other game company out there, ya know? Rolling Eyes

Quote:
-CSM being useless as always

That's a debatable point, but even if they are completely useless .. so what? There isn't another MMO out there, that I'm aware of, that makes even one fraction of the attempt Eve has made with having a CSM. Real, player-elected folks that get the ear of the devs on a regular basis? Even if they're completely ineffectual, it's still a facet of this game that no other game has.

Quote:
-The door

So, don't elect to stare at the door. You do have an option to stare at a functional station interior instead. To be honest, I'm not sure why staring at door is much different than staring at the same ship you spend all your time staring at when you're not in the station though.

Sounds to me like you really only have one legitimate reason for unsubbing, and that's if you don't enjoy the actual game play that Eve has been providing for the last year. More than reason enough. But the rest of that list is just pointless.



obvious dev alt is obvious

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:14:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Vherka
-"micro"-transactions
-Hasn't been a real expansion in almost a year
-CCP has showed its greedy side, and lost all my trust
-CSM being useless as always
-The door


No, i am not mad.
No, you cannot have my stuff.
No, this is not my main.


No, one cares.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:41:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 04/08/2011 15:02:32
Originally by: Cuthbert Chin
Edited by: Cuthbert Chin on 02/08/2011 18:12:15
Rather than make yet another "why I give up" thread, I'll add my 2 cents here:

Today is August 2nd, exactly one month after the CCP-CSM emergency meeting results blog was posted. In that time, CCP has managed to post an additional 8 blogs, none of which deal with the abysmal expansion Incarna is turning out to be. In the mean time patch 1.0.2 was pulled, and after posting the usual "we will keep you posted" tripe, that thread has been silently unstickied and no information regarding 1.0.2 has been released since. I really don't care about the whole NEX-store debacle, what I care about is the removal of functionality to push that store on the players, at least that is my perception, as I care about my hangar. One month on CCP has not been able to tell me in what form and when my hangar will return, while I felt that should have been part of the resolution of the summit in the first place.

The second reason for my leaving is because autism seems to be a requirement for employment by CCP. I'm not talking about the utter failure to communicate, I'm talking about the apparent disconnect between CCP designers/developers and the gaming world at large. To this day I always zoom 1 tick in the wrong direction before I remember that I'm playing special needs game EVE, which has zoom inverted compared to just about every game in existence. So upon release of Incarna it was no surprise to me to find out that the EVE developers had decided to devise their own WASD scheme and decided that modifier keys were a superfluos concept. Not surprised, but damn, was I annoyed.

Since I pay for my accounts six months in advance, I could not cancel my accounts in anger, I had to wait for them to expire, the first expires in 2 days. The good thing was that I had a chance to see the storm calm down, and then focus on the actions of CCP. There have been *none*. Actually there have not only been no actions, there have been no words either.

No actions, no words: no money.

I'll be monitoring the dev blogs and patch notes for a while, hopefully reading about the return of the hangar, the fixing of modifier keys, and the actual release of WiS, as opposed to the hateful, pitiful jail I can walk around in right now (I don't get how you can work on an expansion for 5 years, and then release 1 jail in 1 races textures, seriously, this is duke nuke 'em level incompetence).

Fly safe, have fun, so long and thanks for all the fish.



Agree with you man. I by myself struggling with urge to hit "unsubscribe" button after I found out what a stunt CCP did with EVE Online players concerning that MT shop history. They literally pushed that MT through our throats without much concern if we need that ***t. And of course they found time for it instead of fixing bugs and expanding the game. Even years in development only tech demo "Infinity the quest for Earth" looks and feels better then EVE Online especially considering it will be huge EVE competitor if and when released.

As for all these agressive posts of "GTFO" kind... they so much feel as not posted by EVE players but by some "interested" parties that it is an insult in itself to see what CCP think about player base IQ. If they think they can survive without EVE player base or with lower then current IQ base good luck.

I'll still hang around a bit in hope of improvement of the situation. I have subscription for some time more. If it will go the same way as it is now, well I already look around for other game that might interest me. By the time of decision making to continue or unsubscribe I will sure thing see things improved or find something else if not. Of course players don't go alone. They always take others with them. A point for CCP to think about. Its already a bit empty in some systems compared to a month before.

Good luck to you man and G-d speed!

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:45:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 04/08/2011 14:57:52
Oh and concerning bugs.
Just now i have a bug that i have no button to undock from station and no Ships button either. Did CCP fixed that? No of course not. They dont have programmers time for it. MT shop is much more important thing.

What for i pay subscription exactly CCP. For bug reports or to play the game? Fix bugs release true expansion then have a discussion with players about MT instead of pushing it through. You already lost millions of dollars in cancelled subscriptions. Don't lose entire base.

Edit: Had to restart for buttons to reappear. And yes my drivers are up to date.
Raise the subscription cost and PLEX cost will raise on markets if you so desperate on money CCP. Because what you do with that MT thing instead of working on the game bugs and expansion kills your income and will kill the game entirely if you continue that road. And don't forget to sack out your business analysts. Since EVE wont be played by more action driven players. There's loads of better action style space shooters and a whole lot more coming out including MMO style ones. Dust 514 oriented to that kind of base and attempt to orient EVE to that same base... well i don't know what your business analysts smoke but it must be something real strong.

Athena Tarsis
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.08.04 18:25:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: VaL Iscariot
Originally by: Athena Tarsis

Sounds to me like you really only have one legitimate reason for unsubbing, and that's if you don't enjoy the actual game play that Eve has been providing for the last year. More than reason enough. But the rest of that list is just pointless.


obvious dev alt is obvious


You guys might have more convincing arguments if they didn't instantly devolve into 'dev alt!' type accusations. It's dismissive and puts you in a mentality where you don't bother considering the opposing points or consider the possibility that a lot of players really are ok with the extensions to Eve that CCP is making (the use of the term 'extensions' is deliberate. I see nothing that suggests the core game play of Eve, FiS, is being reduced, watered down, or hindered in any way. Incarna/etc is simply an additional way to experience the Eve universe).

As I've said several times in the past, I am no dev alt. I do not work for CCP, or anyone associated with CCP, or anyone associated with the gaming industry for that matter. I'm a sr. software engineer for a major hardware/software manufacturer in the silicon valley in California. If I have, through mystical and unknown methods kept secret to me, become an employee of CCP, I sure wish they'd send me some paychecks. Laughing Can never have too many of those!

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.04 18:44:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 05/08/2011 14:17:21
Well here's another bug that killed the game for me this evening completely.
I mined for entire evening.. like 4 hours may be in high sec. Scordites to be precise. Got something like 0.52mil in total ore amount. Hit the sell button get the price of 7 something mil ISK and sell the ore.
In wallet i see 1.7 mil transaction for that same ore and not a sign of 7 mil. No i did not missed anything. It supposed to be 7 mil more in wallet and it wasnt.
Not to mention that each second sell amounts in wallet and amounts on hover differ. Have to sell something once to fix the bug on hovering.

And with presence of that game killer bug these guys release MT with hopes someone who have more then ameba brain will be buying anything and not getting insulted by their effort to build MT shop but not fix that kind of bugs? They must be totally out of sync with real life there.

Edit: About sell for 7 mil and get 1.7 mil that's me being stupid or UI need to be redesigned a bit to add some functionality. Probably the first but also a second. All right nobody want to agree of being stupid without some but.
My ticked got answered superfast... like... above lightspeed fast :-)
Thank you for it CCP :-)
Ticket response according to logs state that ore was sold partially and the rest of it went for market pending sale. So it's me not checking where the ore go. But the bug of ISK amount in wallet and ISK amount when hovering over wallet difference shows up almost each second transaction.

Nevertheless I owe an apology to CCP for kicking it for bug thats not a bug but my lack of knowledge. Sorry about it CCP. Please accept my apologies.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.05 15:35:00 - [29]
 

Second bug looks like resolved.
Thank you CCP and special thank you to person who read it and fixed it. :-)


 

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