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Leslie Ember
Posted - 2011.08.02 16:22:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Leslie Ember on 02/08/2011 16:25:23
Edited by: Leslie Ember on 02/08/2011 16:24:46
Hello, my friend and I are currently brand new to the game of Eve. I love that it is both simultaneously boring, peaceful, and extremely exciting all rolled up into one package.

Here is my dilemma; My friend wants to go for Industry and Mining and we want to start out own adventure into the capitalist sector. What would be the most efficient load out for his mining career ship & skill wise early on? I was thinking that getting him into a retriever with mining drones would be a good start.


For me I want to help him but not be in a direct mining set up. I want to be able to find the good asteroid fields, run ECM, and Haul the ore. While possibly providing some fire power to take out NPC pirates (Or if I could negate them completely with ECM that would be even better).

We plan on filling a lot of work orders to make decent money and get a feel for different solar systems and learn to travel the universe and mine it with relative safety. Then we might decide to focus more on the "Hard Core" side of the game. We would rather be rich first and yes there might be easier ways to get loads of ISK but this is how WE want to do it.

Edit: We are both Caldari.

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:27:00 - [2]
 

The first thing I would suggest is that you become clearer about what you wish to go for. Industry, including Mining, contains an awful lot of possible skill paths. For instance: mining & refining (plus mission running to increase standings to get less refining tax at the npc stations you'll be using), researching blueprints, copying blueprints, earning datacores, invention, production of tech 1 modules, production of t2 components, production of t2 modules, etc.

There is a very low margin on mining, so think carefully before you sink time into the mining and refining skills. If it is actually the manufacturing side of things you'd like to get into, then you may want to just buy the minerals from the (cheap) market. Alternatively you could run missions for more isk, collect the loot from the wrecks using a Noctis, and refine the loot to get most of the minerals you need for your manufacturing. If you both got into Ravens and did missions together you'd do very well, or perhaps your friend would prefer to fly a logistics ship to repair the shield on your Raven.

It sounds like you'll need to fly industrial ships, so training caldari industrial to V would be a great idea, helping to unlock both the blockade runners and the freighters.

If you are going to go down the mining route then well done, retriever + mining drones is a fair start. The rats in the safe systems you'll likely be mining in (0.5 - 1.0 systems) will not be tough enough to warrant a dedicated anti-rat ship. I'd suggest the better way of supporting your mining barge / exhumer friend would be to start off in an Osprey. With fair drone skills, some Hobgoblin drones and a standard missile launcher alongside the mining lasers, that Osprey should both increase your mining yield and be more than enough to fight off the rats. When the retriever cargohold gets full, dock the Osprey, switch into a Badger, warp out to your friend and take the ore back to your hangar after your friend ejects his cargohold ore.

Finally, may I suggest that EVEMON and eveboard.com are mandatory to help yourself and receive help?

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:41:00 - [3]
 

I started this accursed game 8 years ago. I made myself a miner because the (massively out of date) manual made it sound interesting.

The single piece of advice I've given to all players (who asked) since then is simply DON'T MINE.

I don't care how much you make. Its the complete antithesis of fun so don't do it. It will bore you senseless.

Shayla Sh'inlux
Eve Space Exploration Guild
Posted - 2011.08.04 01:35:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 04/08/2011 01:35:58
I dunno man...

Even thought this characters only mining skill is Mining to level 4, one of my most enjoyable moments in Eve was organizing a mining ops with a bunch of friends to MINE the minerals for our first own battleships. Mind you, this was all before Barges and any form of mining upgrades or bonuses (even before the tier 1 cruisers got mining bonuses!). I still see myself sitting there eating Veldspar roids in a Thorax filled with coprocs to actually fit the lasers and cargo expanders to make sure my cargohold could actually hold a full cycle.

Also, 2 years later or so, I organized and led a mining operation of my 0.0 corp where we completely stripped "The Gem of Venal" (BKG) of Bistot (I believe it was that) over the course of a week and jumped a Carrier with about 15 billion worth in Zydrine back to empire. Even though mining in itself might be boring, I have excellent memories of having a laugh on Teamspeak with my corpies, while mining with 2 accounts and scouting the surrounding systems with a third and having my main on a laptop sit in the belt in a carrier with drones out to kill the rats. That was actually pretty exciting too :D

So sure, sitting alone staring at roids is pretty boring (then again, some people like fishing too), but the whole logistics around a proper mining session are - IMO - a beautiful thing to see in motion. YYMV.

Kal Ashur
Posted - 2011.08.04 07:41:00 - [5]
 

Florio has several good points. Have your buddy stay in an Osprey until he/she qualifies for a Retriever, STAY AWAY FROM THE PROCURER!!! An Osprey will out mine it.

Check out Halada's Mining Guide

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Advanced_mining

Mining is boring, do not AFK mine

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.05 01:35:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Leslie Ember
My friend wants to go for Industry and Mining


Leslie,

Half of your industry profits come from selling your finalized product. This means you or your friend needs to have marketing skills (in game skills and out of game skills.)

Have your friend do the following:

Do some research on Multifrequency S and Multifrequency M Laser Ammo. Figure out what your cost would be for buying the materials required to manufacture them. Figure out the local region's selling price, and try selling them in a trade hub.

If you or your buddy can do this and/or find it enjoyable, then industry may be for you.

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Dalloway Makee
Posted - 2011.08.06 11:40:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Dalloway Makee on 07/08/2011 12:00:36
In high sec if your friend uses light scout drones (even just simple Hobgoblin 1's) instead of mining drones that is really enough for defense even in 0.5. So you probably won't need to run defense. You could haul but it would be a bit dull to just do that. But if you do decide to go into hauling consider cross training into one of the other races. Caldari have pretty much the worst industrials across the board until they reach the Charon freighter which is pretty far off (and might not even be something you want to get into). Amarr has the best low skill level industrial and best T2 transport, Minmatar has the best industrial if you just want to train to level 4 and arguably the best blockade runner (fastest and most nimble), and Gallente has the best industrial if you take it all the way to level 5 and then the second best freighter.

One thing you could do when you say "finding the good asteroid fields" is go ahead in a small fast frigate fitted with a microwarp drive and set up turnpoints. Fly straight up until you get about 165 km from all the asteroids and place a bookmark. That way you can jump your friend in at the turnpoint and then he can warp right down to the asteroids. Much faster than having to fly to the asteroids that are 20+ km away at the snails pace of a barge or hauler.



 

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