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E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.02 16:00:00 - [1]
 

Hi, I'm new to minning and I have an alt set up to do this. I have not really mined so i have some questions about how to mine in 0.0.

I am currently in 0.0 space in a secluded pocket without much traffic and am not to worried about hostiles. Those risks I am familiar with.

It's the Npc's that bother me. I took out a poor retriever to belt, warped to 100, no rats warped away and back to get to 0.0 and started minning. Soon NPC battle ships came and before I could align I went poof.

I can fly a hulk and have okay shield and cap skills(not great).

So how do I mine in 0.0? Do i go to belts and the hulk tanks the battle ships? I am in blood space so nuets are a worry.

Do I have to scan something down and warp to that? This will be solo minning and my other character is far away fighting so intrested in solo minning.

Thanks for reading and your advice.

Nor Tzestu
Amarr
Boxwater Intelligence
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:04:00 - [2]
 

If you can fly a rokh, please I am not trolling, you can make a pretty cheap o.o sec miner. Load your lows with CPU, expanded cargo holds and miner upgrades. High's with t2 miner's. Mid's are full tank.

1. Jet can min
2. Tank out rats in Rokh
3. Kill rats with drones.
4. ??
5. Profit.

You'll need a hauler in system, but a rokh is perfectly capable of out mining a retriever and can give a Hulk a run for the money.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:17:00 - [3]
 

rohk is a little off the skill plan(don't even have caldari cruiser 1.)
But would not take long.

So the hulk is not to tank belt rats? is solo minning really not achievable and I should look towards soemthing else?

Kraven Stark
Caldari
Atavism Industries
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:29:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: E man Industries
rohk is a little off the skill plan(don't even have caldari cruiser 1.)
But would not take long.

So the hulk is not to tank belt rats? is solo minning really not achievable and I should look towards soemthing else?


How much SP do you have?

You will have a hard time protecting yourself solo unless you have some pretty solid skills in drones. I believe you are limited to 5 lights. Even then, if a BS pops in, it could force you out as your light drones alone will likely not get the job done.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:37:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: E man Industries on 02/08/2011 17:48:49
believe the 5 lights are mainly to kill a frig if you happen to get one w/ a scram.

For skills

Drones 5
drone suport skills 3
Shield skills lvl 4
Barge 5
Exhumer 3

So i'm decent for fitting a tank on a hulk.
10,000,000 SP but have industrial and PI stuff in there.

Still looking for a guide on hwo to 0.0 mine or a no don't do that go back to empire.




Kraven Stark
Caldari
Atavism Industries
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:38:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: E man Industries
believe the 5 lights are mainly to kill a frig if you happen to get one w/ a scram.




Lights are good for Frigs, destroyers, other small ships and in some cases BCs.

Laxyr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:30:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Laxyr on 02/08/2011 18:36:44
Edited by: Laxyr on 02/08/2011 18:31:59
A hulk can tank 0.0 BS rats and kill them. It all comes down to your skills and what you are willing to invest... a gist b-type small shield booster might be necessary for a sufficient tank to take on double BS spawns and the fitting limitations. T2 is sufficient for everything smaller. Now neuts could really be an issue here though. It will take 5 med drone quite a while to chew thorugh 0.0 BS even with excellent drone skills.

Nonetheless you can setup a hulk to tank a single BS and cruiser spawns with acceptable skills. I am not familiar with blood raider belt rats so I guess you just have to test it. Fitting the hulk for active tanking limits its mining output. You usually sacrafice both rigslots and one lowslot for the tank (that is if you want to tank double BS spawns).


I've been doing it for a long time in providence with reasonable drone skills (T2 hammerheads with specilisation skill IV). Players have proven to be of far greater concern to your hulks survival when mining in nullsec. A gravimetric site would give you a time advantage when hostiles roam your pocket (and aside from that you might get better ores there aswell).

Regards, Lax

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.08.03 01:58:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: E man Industries
rohk is a little off the skill plan(don't even have caldari cruiser 1.)
But would not take long.

So the hulk is not to tank belt rats? is solo minning really not achievable and I should look towards soemthing else?


I can confirm that the he was not trolling.

But you really don't see mining BSs that much anymore.

The hulk can tank, but you'll need a Deadspace Small shield booster.
These can be rather expensive.

Really any BS with 8 turret slots will do.
The Rokh is just favored because it shield tanks and has more CPU for Mining Laser Upgrades.

A properly setup mining BS will out mine a Retriever, and tank well enough with tech 2 or even meta level shield stuff.

Just a couple of things... the mining BS may give you carpal tunnel syndome.
The mining lasers fill the hold very quickly and very frequently.

Also remember, you'll have to come back in a hauler to pick up the ore. Be sure it can survive a pot shot or two from the rats, and take out any scrambling rats before coming back.


E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.03 15:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Culmen
Originally by: E man Industries
rohk is a little off the skill plan(don't even have caldari cruiser 1.)
But would not take long.

So the hulk is not to tank belt rats? is solo minning really not achievable and I should look towards soemthing else?


I can confirm that the he was not trolling.

But you really don't see mining BSs that much anymore.

The hulk can tank, but you'll need a Deadspace Small shield booster.
These can be rather expensive.

Really any BS with 8 turret slots will do.
The Rokh is just favored because it shield tanks and has more CPU for Mining Laser Upgrades.

A properly setup mining BS will out mine a Retriever, and tank well enough with tech 2 or even meta level shield stuff.

Just a couple of things... the mining BS may give you carpal tunnel syndome.
The mining lasers fill the hold very quickly and very frequently.

Also remember, you'll have to come back in a hauler to pick up the ore. Be sure it can survive a pot shot or two from the rats, and take out any scrambling rats before coming back.




I have had my main mine in an apoc. But yes not desirabel for an alt. This is done on a second zcount so mass transfering out of the hold is not desirable. Though getting the BS does not take much.

Was really wanting to use the hulk. I have heard the deadspace mod comment a few times. I assume this is a standard hulk sort of fit. Maybe I'll fit out a hulk and rather than the normal mods in the lows I'll augment the shield tank untill I get a feel for it. I just really don't want it to die first time I warp to a belt like the retriever did....that thing simply folded.

Reeper 2435
Posted - 2011.08.03 18:18:00 - [10]
 

I was a very avid 0.0 Hulk pilot. You really must be careful about dual boxing that pilot if that is what you are thinking. I am familiar with the rats you face and neuting can be a huge problem for you. I'm not sure if you could passive fit the hulks shield tank to do well or not. Active is all i ever did with a cheaper faction small booster and amplifier. You can carry 5 medium drones (EM) are the ones you'll want. I'd highly suggest getting above par drone skills for this. Take your drone interfacing to 4 for the firepower boost and T2's will be a necessity.

IMO, the neuting is my biggest concern.
Originally by: E man Industries

Was really wanting to use the hulk. I have heard the deadspace mod comment a few times. I assume this is a standard hulk sort of fit. Maybe I'll fit out a hulk and rather than the normal mods in the lows I'll augment the shield tank untill I get a feel for it. I just really don't want it to die first time I warp to a belt like the retriever did....that thing simply folded.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:10:00 - [11]
 

thanks, I will paruise hulk fits and maybe just got a bit more tank.

Hakkar'al Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.04 09:43:00 - [12]
 

Fit the hulk against rats and hostiles, not for improved mining yield and you will be fairly OK solo mining. I've fended off BS rats in my hulk. It's the scramming rats that are sneaky, learn which they are and kill them first.

Reeper 2435
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:23:00 - [13]
 

But have you had to contend with neutralizing rats? The Sansha and Blood Raiders will drain you cap like a fat man with a 5 gallon bucket of coca-cola. SLUUURRRPPP gone. I'd have concerns about that. I've been neuted from as far as 35km out. His hulk can't target that far and not sure the way drones have been acting if they would even fly to his defense.
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente
Fit the hulk against rats and hostiles, not for improved mining yield and you will be fairly OK solo mining. I've fended off BS rats in my hulk. It's the scramming rats that are sneaky, learn which they are and kill them first.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.05 20:55:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Reeper 2435
But have you had to contend with neutralizing rats? The Sansha and Blood Raiders will drain you cap like a fat man with a 5 gallon bucket of coca-cola. SLUUURRRPPP gone. I'd have concerns about that. I've been neuted from as far as 35km out. His hulk can't target that far and not sure the way drones have been acting if they would even fly to his defense.



This is what I worry about. Not so much the drones but them killing a scrambler and me living long enough to align out. Just how bad is thenueting?..
I made this fit

[Hulk, Tanked Hulk]
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

But it is cap dependent. It also lacks buffer and simply stacks resists would core defence purgers be better? seen a passive set up?


 

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