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Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.08.01 22:51:00 - [1]
 

I'm thinking of taking up archery, it's something I've wanted to do for a while but never got around to doing it.

What I need is for any existing archers, assuming there are any here, is to suggest where I might find the best place to buy all the bits and pieces I'll need and to offer any other valuable information so that I don't end up buying garbage or things that are completely wrong for me.

Obviously I could just google it, like we do, but I'd like real advice and I don't know how reliable any one company is.

Suggestions then?

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.08.01 23:08:00 - [2]
 

Thats like the first skill I get in Civilization.

Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.02 02:23:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Mina Sulva''r on 02/08/2011 02:25:49
I should ask what kind of archery? Field archery or flight archery?

What kind of bow do you want to use? A compound bow a recurve bow or even a longbow?
I guess before you can really answer that you'd have to answer this- do you have sissy arms?

Will you eventually be hunting with it or just using it to shoot at archery butts? (hehe I said butts).

What kind of release do you want to use?
Two-finger, which can limit youre max draw weight.
Three finger, which is the best in my opinion and my personal favorite especially for recurve and longbow.
Thumb and ring release, which I tried but could never lean properly (and it hurt like a sob after awhile).
Trigger release, which I hate (with a passion) but which does work great for compound bows.
Thumb and finger release, which like the thumb and ring release hurt like hell after awhile and limited my draw weight to around 30lbs-40lbs.

Is this something that is going to be a hobby? Or just something to do every once in awhile, like a few weekends a year?
How much money do you have to spend?

Ayieka
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.02 02:44:00 - [4]
 

or just buy a gun for 100 bucks and not worry with how lame archery is.

Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.02 06:28:00 - [5]
 

LOL, I take it that means you have sissy arms.

Pay no attention to the detractors.
Archery is fairly easy to learn, but takes skill and dedication to be good.

KHAN SUNE
Posted - 2011.08.02 14:11:00 - [6]
 

http://www.merlinarcherycentre.co.uk/


Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.02 15:10:00 - [7]
 

Met an old fellow during a course for people who teach archery (an archery course for archers) who was one of the first to test the use of bows in the purpose of silently taking out sentries, guard posts, etc.

Newer developments in suppressor technology and cartridges used with them phased out the bow eventually.


A penetrating tip arrow on a heavy shaft is almost unstoppable, and it's still true today: what a bullet cannot penetrate, the right arrow will. I had a heavy Easton shaft on a Magnus 100gr penetrating 2-blade go through a rag bag, through the back rest of the metal folding chair it was on, and into the metal shed and through the wall and a shelf until hitting the engine block of a lawnmower. Unfortunately such arrows are slow - slow enough that a deer I attempted to shoot at 35 yards had enough time to look up and jump out of the way. Such arrows tend to lose motivation after around 30 yards and drop fast.



Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:16:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 02/08/2011 18:02:08
Originally by: Mina Sulva'r

I should ask what kind of archery? Field archery or flight archery?

What kind of bow do you want to use? A compound bow a recurve bow or even a longbow?



Field archery, though I'm not limiting myself to anything just yet. And I was thinking recurve but part of me wants an English Longbow, or similar. No plans on hunting either, not much to hunt around here anyway.

Haven't given any thought to release yet, I'm still looking for a club in my area so I've not gone to far into details.

It'll be a fairly regular hobby, at least I hope it will.

Originally by: KHAN SUNE
http://www.merlinarcherycentre.co.uk/




I googled that one out in the first 20 seconds. Been through it top to bottom.

Chris Audacity
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Met an old fellow during a course for people who teach archery (an archery course for archers) who was one of the first to test the use of bows in the purpose of silently taking out sentries, guard posts, etc.



Reminds me off this fella from WWII "Mad Jack" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.02 23:36:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Chris Audacity
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Met an old fellow during a course for people who teach archery (an archery course for archers) who was one of the first to test the use of bows in the purpose of silently taking out sentries, guard posts, etc.



Reminds me off this fella from WWII "Mad Jack" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill



That was a good read. Thanks for posting that.


Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.03 05:00:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Mina Sulva''r on 03/08/2011 05:10:16
Okay, Im going to assume some things. Also Im going to explain everything in inches and pounds (#) as in weight.

So first of all lets start by draw weight. All bows are rated by draw weight. In very simplified term think of it as bending your body over and lifting a free weight to your chest. Which is why I asked if you had sissy arms.?. Although most of the power to pull a bow comes from the back muscles right around the shoulder blades.
The most common for just target shooting, is about a 40# draw weight. I preferred about 65# myself, but that was after years of shooting a 50#.

Next is draw length. This is the max pull distance of your bow. This is especially important with compound bows. When you pull a bow (three finger) the hand that pulls the string should be at the back of your jaw with the 1st knuckle of your thumb tucked under your ear.

*So stand up and pick a spot on the wall. Your left side of your body should be facing the target. Hold your left fist out towards your target like a punch, turn your head to the left and look at it. And with you right hand make you index, middle and ring finger into a "claw". Now use your thumb and and hold down your pinky finger. Bring your right hand back and tuck the 1st "bend" of your thumb under your ear. Your three "claw" fingers should be resting just under your cheek bone.*

That is the proper draw of a bow and will give you the correct draw length.
This is not only important when picking out a bow, but also when buying arrows. This should be down at an archery shop. Now assuming you live in the US, there should be one withing a 1/2 an hour drive of almost anywhere in the lower 48. If you decide on a compound bow you can not **** around on this, you need someone who knows how to measure your correct draw length, this is very important.


The easiest way to learn archery is on the compound bow. A few reasons of why that is. (This is what I learned on, and shot with for about 7 years. Its also what type my hunting, and yes, fishing bow is.)
A compound bow uses wheels and cams to actually relieve some of the pull when its drawn back. So back to the simplified draw weight explanation, if you pick a bow with a 50# draw weight, when you fully draw a compound bow back the weight drops to like 20#'s. Meaning you can hold it for a lot longer. And its why those bows are used in competition, you have longer to aim before muscle fatigue.

Compound bows have lots of shooting aids. You can get a trigger release (yes just like shooting a rifle). They have peep sights and fiber optic aiming pins that you can set for different range increments. Stabilizers that keep the bow (you) from drifting or shaking. Even silencers to quiet the pop (twang) of the bow string, if you go hunting. Scopes if you want to try that. You can even fit a laser aimer. Or mount your quiver on the bow itself, looks cool but fuks up the balance. Or you can even fit a specialized bow fishing rig.

They are also probably the most expensive choice, for the reasons a gave above.


Recurve bow. !*!*!*I'll fill this in later (tomorrow), gonna eat some brownies and game some before I go to bed*!*!*!


You maybe wondering why Im going thru all this speil? Well hopefully it helps you decided what bow you want shoot. As each has its advantages and disadvantages- cost, ease of learning, price, coolness/sexy factor, reward, and so on.

Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.03 05:05:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Mina Sulva''r on 03/08/2011 05:09:12
reserved
that is if you want to know a little more of the basics of each bow type to help you decide

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.08.03 12:10:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 03/08/2011 19:50:43
Edited by: Wilhelm Riley on 03/08/2011 12:11:04
Some nice information there Mina, cheers. I'm in the UK by the way, but it all applies just the same.

I'm not quite sure if a compound bow is for me. I'll take a look at the options but they just seem too fancy shmancy and complicated.. though I suppose that depends on how many attachments you want to add to it. *wonders if bow mounted grenade launchers exist yet*

Thanks for going through the trouble of writing that, I eagerly await your section on recurve bows.

Edit: How is draw weight determined?

kerradeph
Gallente
CATO.nss
Posted - 2011.08.08 00:58:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley

I'm not quite sure if a compound bow is for me. I'll take a look at the options but they just seem too fancy shmancy and complicated.. though I suppose that depends on how many attachments you want to add to it. *wonders if bow mounted grenade launchers exist yet*

Edit: How is draw weight determined?


on the note of granade launchers, if they have standard nato rail mounts for them then yes you could.

draw weight is determined by how hard it is to pull it back to a full length pull.

and I somewhat agree for getting into archery I think recurve is more fun than compound. but if you are going hunting, then compound or crossbow would be the best bet, but almost any bow could be used.

on the note of draw weight, it took me a while to figure that one out since I was looking at it as the sharp/comment symbol from various programming languages and so I thought it was some kind of typo.

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.08.08 01:18:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: kerradeph


and I somewhat agree for getting into archery I think recurve is more fun than compound. but if you are going hunting, then compound or crossbow would be the best bet, but almost any bow could be used.

on the note of draw weight, it took me a while to figure that one out since I was looking at it as the sharp/comment symbol from various programming languages and so I thought it was some kind of typo.


There's not much hunting to be done in England and crossbows just seem a bit.. well I don't know what they seem but I'd just prefer a standard bow, more classy I think.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.08.08 09:05:00 - [16]
 

Join a reinactment group, then you get to do archery AND beat each other with large pointy objects

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.08.08 14:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: ChromeStriker
Join a reinactment group, then you get to do archery AND beat each other with large pointy objects


Well.. I do like hitting people with things.. Very Happy

However, I get the feeling the only re-enactment group I'm like to find around here is a Robin Hood tour..

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:41:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: ChromeStriker
Join a reinactment group, then you get to do archery AND beat each other with large pointy objects


Well.. I do like hitting people with things.. Very Happy

However, I get the feeling the only re-enactment group I'm like to find around here is a Robin Hood tour..


You would be surprised lol

kerradeph
Gallente
CATO.nss
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:43:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: ChromeStriker
Join a reinactment group, then you get to do archery AND beat each other with large pointy objects


Well.. I do like hitting people with things.. Very Happy

However, I get the feeling the only re-enactment group I'm like to find around here is a Robin Hood tour..


society's strange, look around enough and you will probably find something. it may not be easily accessible such as having to drive long distances to reach locations.

Leilani Solaris
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Outbreak.
Posted - 2011.08.08 17:52:00 - [20]
 

Gotta get one of these

kerradeph
Gallente
CATO.nss
Posted - 2011.08.08 18:02:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Gotta get one of these


I think you misquoted that. even when I took the URL out of the google gibberish it still just led to a dead thread on a hardware forum.

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.08.08 20:56:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: kerradeph


I think you misquoted that. even when I took the URL out of the google gibberish it still just led to a dead thread on a hardware forum.


I get this picture.

If for some reason it doesn't work, it's a picture of stats for something called a Windforce bow from Diablo.


 

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