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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:08:00 - [1]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
I strive to occupy systems, not out of glory, not out of challenge, not for patriotism but purely due to my undying hatred of Val Erian and his flunkies. And if millions need to die, then so be it.


I am a man opposed to violence. For years I have pressed for a peaceful way to create a free Intaki state. It is still my wish that the militia pilots would lay down their arms and come to a peaceful settlement of their dispute.

But when men who call themselves friends to our cause show me just how lowly they actually regard the everyday people who call Intaki home, I am afraid that we can no longer in good conscience sit idly by. I am reminded of the philosopher who said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

This was not an easy decision to reach and I am aware that in making it, I am asking fine men and women to risk and lose their lives. But ultimately, as seen in the quote above, the choice of violence was not mine to make.

I pleaded with Gen. Rocarion to stand down and make peace, or at the very least to take the fight away from Intaki and its colonies. He clearly denied that request.

As a result, we have implemented a clause that has been in our ROE for more than year, stating that we consider anyone engaged in militia combat in Intaki Space to be an enemy of the Intaki people.

We have no interest in militia conflict in anyway other than how it impacts the lives of the people of Intaki. Although militia corps are already declaring war against the ILF we will not reciprocate.

For ours is not a mission of conquest or subjugation. We seek to be disruptive the war efforts of all militias in hopes that they will find other fields on which to battle.

If we cannot persuade the General and his peers to cease their fighting, perhaps we can make it less appealing to do it here.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:18:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
And if millions need to die, then so be it.


You seem to think I am about to drop bombs on planets or commit in other genocide. Perhaps you ought to consider I talk about people aboard aboard Gallente warships defending the warfare strongholds, legimate war targets who are voluntarily in harms way.

Those are the millions i'm talking about, like the millions who have died under FDU aggression in Black Rise.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General



Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.01 20:08:00 - [3]
 

Monsieur Rocarion

If your target was only those pilots and ships in space who fight on behalf of the Federation, then we wouldn't be so focused on countering your efforts.

However if you suceed, and gain occupancy on behalf of the Caldari State, then not only those people in space commanding fleets are affected, but every citizen and inhabitant in the star system.

Make sure we will do our best to prevent that, and i know Intaki inhabitants often see Gallenteans and supporters of the Federation as a nuisance that hinders their own self-governance, but it is not in my best interest (nor in the interest of my corp) to take posession of anything, just prevent the Heth administration from doing so.

John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.01 20:48:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Although militia corps are already declaring war against the ILF we will not reciprocate.



Ishukone-Raata will continue our efforts to defend our allies in the Intaki Liberation Front, all declaration of wars against the ILF/IPI will be met with force.


Koronakesh
Amarr
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.08.01 21:38:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: John Revenent
Ishukone-Raata will continue our efforts to defend our allies in the Intaki Liberation Front, all declaration of wars against the ILF/IPI will be met with force.
Really now....

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.08.01 22:02:00 - [6]
 

Hey, thanks. We certainly haven't been shooting any of your vessels, but it's nice to know that the actions of Caldari pilots will somehow reflect on Federation ones. You know, that Federation? The very one that your Intaki Assembly are members of?

Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2011.08.01 22:57:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke

As a result, we have implemented a clause that has been in our ROE for more than year, stating that we consider anyone engaged in militia combat in Intaki Space to be an enemy of the Intaki people.



So your declaring war against all militia corporations operating in the Intaki theatre, or you have now decided to fight with the Federation Militia?

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.01 23:13:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Van Cleef

So you're declaring war against all militia corporations operating in the Intaki theatre, or you have now decided to fight with the Federation Militia?


Originally by: ILF ROE
FACTION WARFARE IN INTAKI SPACE. Given the resurgence of militia activity and the recently published report on what happened to the Intaki colonial worlds during the last occupation, it is the opinion of the ILF leadership that we can no longer sit idly by when war is brought to our doorstep.

We recognize the Cease Fire Order issued by the Intaki Assembly as lawful and binding in Intaki Space. Militia pilots working to change the occupancy status of bunkers located in the systems of Intaki, Brarel, Annancale, Agoze, Vey, Frarie, Eugales, Harroule, and Ostingele will be considered to be acting in violation of this order, and their respective corporations will be set to RED.

To clarify our position: If a militia pilot enters a faction war complex in one of the systems outlined above they are considered to be in acting against the Intaki Assembly and can be engaged at will, unless the pilot in question is blue. If they have blue standings advise them of their violation of the ceasefire order and ask them to stand down. If they refuse, consider them red.


Josh Vermanek
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.08.01 23:17:00 - [9]
 

I urge any right minded pilots of the ILF not to fire on your own brothers and sisters aboard Federal vessels. This is not the way of the ILF, and whether you like it or not, the majority of Intaki support and wish to remain in the Federation. It is astounding that you would attempt to lash out against the FDU when it is the pirates in the STPRO that have been harassing neutrals in Intaki space. Our people have reached all levels of Gallentean soceity, and have flourished and maintained our identities still. It is foolish to pretend otherwise.

Hussain
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
Posted - 2011.08.02 00:19:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Hussain on 02/08/2011 00:33:50
Originally by: ILF ROE

We recognize the Cease Fire Order issued by the Intaki Assembly as lawful and binding in Intaki Space.


What invention is this ?

When did the ONLY RIGHTFULL REPERESENTATIVE of the Intaki system stated that FDU has not the right to defend the Intaki area against foreign occupation ?

Originally by: ILF ROE
Intaki, Brarel, Annancale, Agoze, Vey, Frarie, Eugales, Harroule, and Ostingele


And this when did the ONLY RIGHTFULL REPERESENTATIVE of the Intaki system made claims to have power over other Federation systems ?

The vital Intaki space story again "we want peace" right ... dont forget to add all of Placid and parts of Syndicate as some of you did !!

This guys are past everything, they write down the lies and take them for real.

As usual the same lies some delusions of power and importance. Grow up for a change.

Paul J Keating
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.08.02 00:24:00 - [11]
 

While I commend the calls for peace, I urge the Intaki Liberation Front to remember that while your system has sadly seen some negligence in the past from the Federal Administration you will not find any better during a full scale Caldari occupation. Keeping the Intaki system within the reach of Federal assistance is the best option for the welfare of the Intaki people. The Federal forces in Intaki are fighting for your right to be free of oppression and will do so for as long as the State forces continue to threaten the people.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.02 00:54:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Hussain
Edited by: Hussain on 02/08/2011 00:33:50
Originally by: ILF ROE

We recognize the Cease Fire Order issued by the Intaki Assembly as lawful and binding in Intaki Space.


What invention is this ?

When did the ONLY RIGHTFULL REPERESENTATIVE of the Intaki system stated that FDU has not the right to defend the Intaki area against foreign occupation ?

Originally by: ILF ROE
Intaki, Brarel, Annancale, Agoze, Vey, Frarie, Eugales, Harroule, and Ostingele


And this when did the ONLY RIGHTFULL REPERESENTATIVE of the Intaki system made claims to have power over other Federation systems ?

The vital Intaki space story again "we want peace" right ... dont forget to add all of Placid and parts of Syndicate as some of you did !!

This guys are past everything, they write down the lies and take them for real.

As usual the same lies some delusions of power and importance. Grow up for a change.



Well said, General, well said. The so-called Intaki Liberation Front show their true colours, finally. Behind their veneer of scholarly pacifistic ideals, the words of these terrorists demonstrate their dreams of Empire - they would rule their own State, a vast domain made up of Federal systems.

And what fate awaits Federal citizens rightly and legally opposing Caldari occupation in the ILF's vaunted reich? Terror attacks!

I call on the Federal Defense Union to make immediate and terrible war upon these enemies of the Federation!

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.08.02 02:50:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Originally by: Hussain
Edited by: Hussain on 02/08/2011 00:33:50
Originally by: ILF ROE

We recognize the Cease Fire Order issued by the Intaki Assembly as lawful and binding in Intaki Space.


What invention is this ?

When did the ONLY RIGHTFULL REPERESENTATIVE of the Intaki system stated that FDU has not the right to defend the Intaki area against foreign occupation ?

Originally by: ILF ROE
Intaki, Brarel, Annancale, Agoze, Vey, Frarie, Eugales, Harroule, and Ostingele


And this when did the ONLY RIGHTFULL REPERESENTATIVE of the Intaki system made claims to have power over other Federation systems ?

The vital Intaki space story again "we want peace" right ... dont forget to add all of Placid and parts of Syndicate as some of you did !!

This guys are past everything, they write down the lies and take them for real.

As usual the same lies some delusions of power and importance. Grow up for a change.



Well said, General, well said. The so-called Intaki Liberation Front show their true colours, finally. Behind their veneer of scholarly pacifistic ideals, the words of these terrorists demonstrate their dreams of Empire - they would rule their own State, a vast domain made up of Federal systems.

And what fate awaits Federal citizens rightly and legally opposing Caldari occupation in the ILF's vaunted reich? Terror attacks!

I call on the Federal Defense Union to make immediate and terrible war upon these enemies of the Federation!


Good Heavens, and people complain about the Empire. I can almost color my Harbinger in rainbows and fly a "make love, not war" banner at this rate.

Aquila Shadow
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.02 04:19:00 - [14]
 

Saxon Hawke, do you speek on behalf of the Intaki people?
Did the Intaki people sellect you in some sort of behind the scenes ellection that the Federation that currently controles Intaki did not know about?

I tell you what i see. I see a power hungry Terrorist that is right now, threataning both the State Protectorate AND the Federal Defence Union with open war. Not only is this a complet contrediction of your publicly stated goals but it is also a very public declaration of Suicide. Do you realy think that you can stop our Liberation of your worlds by shooting at us once in a while?
I have read no officialy relesed statments from the Official Intaki government on the damage the Intaki Suffered under State protection.

Saxon, if you are an officialy ellected speaker for the Intaki people then you have just declared Intakis Secseccion from the Federation, which if my memory serves me correctly is a declaration of war against the Gallentte Federation as a whole.

Saxon, i congratulate you on your fine work in doing the STPRO's Job for us. We dont need to "burn your worlds and kill millions of people" as you think we will. The Federation will do it for us just like they did to Caldari Prime. Congratulations STPRO, The Drinks are on me tonight.Very Happy

Aquila Shadow

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.08.02 06:12:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Aquila Shadow
...Do you realy think that you can stop our Liberation of your worlds by shooting at us once in a while?


Forcing "liberation" is a sure sign of a tyrant. Liberty is something that all who value it must be willing to die for. Those unwilling to do so are not worthy of such a thing. Liberty is also a choice. So, no, your view of "liberty: is really tyranny, something any sane person should oppose.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.08.02 10:55:00 - [16]
 

Instead of arguing over nothing, all the debators here should seriously consider to present official sources and surveys of the Intaki situation, starting with the official Intaki Assembly policy regarding the matter.

Respectfuly,
Farel.

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.08.02 13:17:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Instead of arguing over nothing, all the debators here should seriously consider to present official sources and surveys of the Intaki situation, starting with the official Intaki Assembly policy regarding the matter.

Respectfuly,
Farel.


I don't need official sources to know that liberty is a choice, and one that every person should make. If people choose to live as slaves, then that is how they will live. Freedom can only be obtained through action, and free choice.

Forcing "liberation" on a people is tyranny, plain and simple.

Sun Zue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.08.02 14:10:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: John Revenent
Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Although militia corps are already declaring war against the ILF we will not reciprocate.



Ishukone-Raata will continue our efforts to defend our allies in the Intaki Liberation Front, all declaration of wars against the ILF/IPI will be met with force.




Yup Yup, help anybody but the Caldari. Sounds about right for IRED. Though I do have the feeling that this means you will not Declare War, just go against CONCORD and turn your self's into pirates. I swear, IRED has to be the largest group of hypocrites I have ever met in New Eden. Maybe its time ya'll just stopped "helping" the Caldari, as you are just getting in the way.

Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.02 15:10:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant

Well said, General, well said. The so-called Intaki Liberation Front show their true colours, finally. Behind their veneer of scholarly pacifistic ideals, the words of these terrorists demonstrate their dreams of Empire - they would rule their own State, a vast domain made up of Federal systems.

And what fate awaits Federal citizens rightly and legally opposing Caldari occupation in the ILF's vaunted reich? Terror attacks!

I call on the Federal Defense Union to make immediate and terrible war upon these enemies of the Federation!


Well we do not take orders from Political Party members.

Additionally, I was there when the Assembly issued the order. It was to refrain from Capsuleers to refrain from killing Ishkuone transports. Not to sit back and not activate our weapons in the system. that blind-hate dog Rocarion will stop at nothing to achieve his goals, and if Intaki were to fall into state hands again, you will wish the Federation were still there fighting to preserve the Intakis way.

In short, you can attack all the militia pilots you want, but Heths cronies will not let up, and if we were to just pack up and leave, you would be ________ Corporation Employee #143432 in no time.

Choose which you would rather have. An Identity as a proud race, or another cog in Heths power machine.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.08.02 16:25:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Instead of arguing over nothing, all the debators here should seriously consider to present official sources and surveys of the Intaki situation, starting with the official Intaki Assembly policy regarding the matter.

Respectfuly,
Farel.


If people choose to live as slaves, then that is how they will live. Freedom can only be obtained through action, and free choice.


And if you simply do not have the means to achieve that ? You are one of the best examples of capsuleers totally out of reality.

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.08.02 16:33:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Instead of arguing over nothing, all the debators here should seriously consider to present official sources and surveys of the Intaki situation, starting with the official Intaki Assembly policy regarding the matter.

Respectfuly,
Farel.


If people choose to live as slaves, then that is how they will live. Freedom can only be obtained through action, and free choice.


I would rather die fighting for freedom than live as a slave. Simple as that.

And if you simply do not have the means to achieve that ? You are one of the best examples of capsuleers totally out of reality.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:08:00 - [22]
 

Saxon Hawke
There is time for peace and there is time for war. But please, do not claim your intentions for peace when you wage war.

As for your initiative regarding militia, I can say this: if you fight against militia, you fight against the State. Whatever you do or speak does not change minds of loyal to the State capsuleers to achieve our common goal, thus your attempt to make fighting for the State 'less appealing' is already failed.

Will you come to us with fire, in fire you will burn.

Valdezi
Amarr
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.02 20:58:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Saxon Hawke
There is time for peace and there is time for war. But please, do not claim your intentions for peace when you wage war.

As for your initiative regarding militia, I can say this: if you fight against militia, you fight against the Empire. Whatever you do or speak does not change minds of loyal to the Empire capsuleers to achieve our common goal, thus your attempt to make fighting for the Empire 'less appealing' is already failed.

Will you come to us with fire, in fire you will burn.



You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.02 21:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Texcoyo

Well we do not take orders from Political Party members.

Additionally, I was there when the Assembly issued the order. It was to refrain from Capsuleers to refrain from killing Ishkuone transports. Not to sit back and not activate our weapons in the system. that blind-hate dog Rocarion will stop at nothing to achieve his goals, and if Intaki were to fall into state hands again, you will wish the Federation were still there fighting to preserve the Intakis way.

In short, you can attack all the militia pilots you want, but Heths cronies will not let up, and if we were to just pack up and leave, you would be ________ Corporation Employee #143432 in no time.

Choose which you would rather have. An Identity as a proud race, or another cog in Heths power machine.


My dear man, I think if you read my words again you would see it wasn't an order. Respect for the men and women defending our great Federation is a paramount part of the Federal National Party's platform.

Also, who cares what the Intaki Assembly ordered? What gives them the right to order Federal troops from a Federal system? I say those rights rest with Villore, and that Federal Troops should be flocking to Intaki to teach all secessionists a lesson!

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.08.02 22:37:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Valdezi

You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire. You fight for the Amarr Empire.

Got stuck tape? Try hitting with a wrench.
And please, don't take any tape from man (I am 99% sure it was man) who have no idea what's going on. Especially if he does not know what do *I*. And thanks in advance. And have a nice jam.

Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.02 22:37:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant

Also, who cares what the Intaki Assembly ordered? What gives them the right to order Federal troops from a Federal system? I say those rights rest with Villore, and that Federal Troops should be flocking to Intaki to teach all secessionists a lesson!



Because The Gallente Federation respects the governing body of Intaki, and allows for them to decide when they need Federation support, and when they don't. Sending in Federation Military to silence a group of Intaki wanting a different future for their people, or forcing the Sovereignty of Intaki to do what the Gallente in Villore say, which goes against the agenda of some politicians, puts us back to the atrocity we committed by bombarding Caldari Prime. Not to mention, just nullifies our moral high ground in preserving the Intaki way of life, and not allowing Caldari Mega corporations to diminish it. For someone that supports the FDU, your not making our job easier by spitting in the Intakis face.

I am fighting for a Federal government that wants to defend the freedoms we give everyone that enters our space, not one that forces the different races or regions to bend to the will of the Governing body.

Valdezi
Amarr
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.03 02:01:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
And have a nice jam.


I like jam. Had it on toast this morning, with a nice cup of tea. It was apricot jam, by the way. I get it imported from Khanid Prime, don't you know.

By the way, you fight for the Amarr Empire.

Aurelie Severasse
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.08.03 02:04:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Texcoyo
Because The Gallente Federation respects the governing body of Intaki, and allows for them to decide when they need Federation support, and when they don't. Sending in Federation Military to silence a group of Intaki wanting a different future for their people, or forcing the Sovereignty of Intaki to do what the Gallente in Villore say, which goes against the agenda of some politicians, puts us back to the atrocity we committed by bombarding Caldari Prime. Not to mention, just nullifies our moral high ground in preserving the Intaki way of life, and not allowing Caldari Mega corporations to diminish it. For someone that supports the FDU, your not making our job easier by spitting in the Intakis face.

I am fighting for a Federal government that wants to defend the freedoms we give everyone that enters our space, not one that forces the different races or regions to bend to the will of the Governing body.


Hear hear!

Professor Octirant always assumes that the FDU will agree with anything the Nationalists say. It's good to see there are some reasonable people in the Militia.

Josh Vermanek
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.08.03 05:02:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Texcoyo


Because The Gallente Federation respects the governing body of Intaki, and allows for them to decide when they need Federation support, and when they don't. Sending in Federation Military to silence a group of Intaki wanting a different future for their people, or forcing the Sovereignty of Intaki to do what the Gallente in Villore say, which goes against the agenda of some politicians, puts us back to the atrocity we committed by bombarding Caldari Prime. Not to mention, just nullifies our moral high ground in preserving the Intaki way of life, and not allowing Caldari Mega corporations to diminish it. For someone that supports the FDU, your not making our job easier by spitting in the Intakis face.

I am fighting for a Federal government that wants to defend the freedoms we give everyone that enters our space, not one that forces the different races or regions to bend to the will of the Governing body.


This sums it up quite perfectly. One cannot pretend to protect the traditions and values of the Federation, and dismiss the rights of a huge majority, and wish violence upon those that have different political beliefs.

Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.08.03 07:32:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Saxon Hawke
There is time for peace and there is time for war.



Who would have thought Diana Kim is a peacenik. Here I was expecting you to break out into song. Here are the rest of the words.

To Everything (Turn, Turn, Turn)
There is a season (Turn, Turn, Turn)
And a time to every purpose, under Heaven

A time of love, a time of hate
A time of war, a time of peace
A time you may embrace, a time to refrain from embracing



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