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Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.06 20:43:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Texcoyo on 06/08/2011 20:45:10
Edited by: Texcoyo on 06/08/2011 20:43:35
Originally by: Hilen Tukoss
So far we have done little but lay foundations. I think claims of handing advanced technology "to the enemy" is leaping a few steps. For one, we'd actually have to acquire or develop some, and for two, doing so would have to be an aim of this project. Nowhere is such an aim stated, there are no projects under consideration designed to develop new technology, and there have been no serious discussions about setting these aims or undertaking such projects, as can be seen from the now-archived mails and meetings in our first month's operation.

Given that we operate with such transparency, and that Arek'Jaalan projects can only gain support by doing so, I hope that people realize such a thing could be seen coming, in any case. Recent interest in Project Macaper's Eye, for example, has shown that people are not afraid to involve themselves in a project if it is seen to pose an unecessary risk to any human life. Transparency in our operations ensured this issue was raised and evaluated promptly, and that future work will continue in the public eye.

Our goals are simple: Research, document, educate. There is no desire to weaponize technology, nor aid in such a thing through the reckless pursuit of knowledge.

Keep in mind, too, that we take Sleeper artifacts and study them while others turn them into instruments of war. The concern should be focused elsewhere. Arek'Jaalan offers just the faintest hope of using the resources of the unknown regions for other ends.

If people are truly concerned about the reckless weaponization of Sleeper technology, then they should join us, not fight us.

I would only ask that those who think Arek'Jaalan is some amoral plot to overthrow the cluster think back to Ms. Neferis' comment about mirrors; about the current capsuleer monopoly on Sleeper technology, and how it is used.

So long as the members of Arek'Jaalan understand the reality of this situation, and that our only fight is with ignorance and apathy, frankly I don't care what political or ideological views they have. We have real work to do, we don't have time for the cosmetic stuff.


The Nation isn't some political party, ideals organization or otherwise. They have no hesitation to strip you of your individuality and make you another drone in the fleet. Dismissing that, and allowing Nation supporters to work with you, as equals, shows amicable neutrality on your end, as well as a total disregard to the millions of broken lives from the incursions that they helped support.

But back to your statement, your saying that nothing, now or later, will in anyway be able to be subverted to use as a weapon against us? I'm not talking about just conventional weaponry, but other avenues as well, such as tactical advantages, or biological advancements. Knowledge is power, and the Sansha know this. If you can assure that, then I will renounce my current statement.

All I ask is that since your dealing with entities far beyond our current technological levels, that the safeguards are in place to prevent such information, as small as it might be, from being subverted to being used wrongly. Such safeguards being that you dont just openly give positions of leadership of your project into the hands of war criminals indirectly responsible for the abductions of millions.

Edit: Comm relay cutouts, finished message.

Guthris
Neotronix Defensive Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.07 01:24:00 - [32]
 


Regarding all the elaborate ways of pointing fingers in this thread.

The current situation is that there are Nation loyalist in lead positions.
And the fact of the matter is that Nation called us out.

Then again, its not like they make exceptions. They wanna see everyone burn just as much as the Arek'Jaalan project.

And the same can be said regarding the danger of them stealing any research materials. Its not like any other faction might do exactly the same eh?
So should we go around banning Amarrians cause they might use it to enforce their god on more people. Or ban Caldarians cause the technology might generate them a lead position in the arms market?

Please think about these things before you go around blaiming people...

Guthris
Neotronix Defensive Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.07 01:30:00 - [33]
 


I also would like to thank our friends from CVA for the 30 free bumps you have provided to our recruitment post in the last 4 days. We appreciate your kind services in helping in the growth of the Arek'Jaalan project.

Ohh wait, so eventhough you forbid your own people from participating, you just did it yourself. "Oops I did it again..."

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.07 01:47:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Hilen Tukoss
I would only ask that those who think Arek'Jaalan is some amoral plot to overthrow the cluster think back to Ms. Neferis' comment about mirrors; about the current capsuleer monopoly on Sleeper technology, and how it is used.

So long as the members of Arek'Jaalan understand the reality of this situation, and that our only fight is with ignorance and apathy, frankly I don't care what political or ideological views they have. We have real work to do, we don't have time for the cosmetic stuff.


Ah the mirror comment yes... I should do a Sermon about it sometime.
And fight ignorance and Apathy... Dr, shield yourself with a healthy dose of patience to that effort.



Originally by: Texcoyo
Knowledge is power.


Only 3 words worth rescuing from the rest of your nonsense.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Mirabi Tiane
Posted - 2011.08.07 03:20:00 - [35]
 

I cannot help you, Tukoss. You are willfully naive.

The motivations of these capsuleers are not the same as yours, no matter what they say in their desperate attempts to discredit any and all criticism. They are using you. For now you are using them too, but eventually the balance will tip in one direction or another, and in all likelihood it will tip in their direction.

Tali Ambraelle
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:20:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Mirabi Tiane
I cannot help you, Tukoss. You are willfully naive.

The motivations of these capsuleers are not the same as yours, no matter what they say in their desperate attempts to discredit any and all criticism. They are using you. For now you are using them too, but eventually the balance will tip in one direction or another, and in all likelihood it will tip in their direction.


And what are you basing your claims off of? Do you know every single person on this project intimately? Oh, you're basing this off assumptions of the whole of the population? Then kindly shut the hell up.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:24:00 - [37]
 

Altruism is the bleakest form of egoism.


Mirabi Tiane
Posted - 2011.08.07 16:00:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Tali Ambraelle
Originally by: Mirabi Tiane
I cannot help you, Tukoss. You are willfully naive.

The motivations of these capsuleers are not the same as yours, no matter what they say in their desperate attempts to discredit any and all criticism. They are using you. For now you are using them too, but eventually the balance will tip in one direction or another, and in all likelihood it will tip in their direction.


And what are you basing your claims off of? Do you know every single person on this project intimately? Oh, you're basing this off assumptions of the whole of the population? Then kindly shut the hell up.

I apologize; it did not seem worthwhile to mention the more reasonable members of the project when they are so routinely brushed off and drowned out that they are not able to make a difference to the project's direction. Implying that every member is the same was not at all my intention, especially since I do know and/or respect a few of them.

Synthmilk
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.08 03:55:00 - [39]
 

What good does being entirely neutral to the motivations behind project members, if that allows the project to be taken over by those who's goal is the projects failure? That's like injecting oneself with a deadly disease and claiming that you don't need to take action to remove the disease. How is that logical? How is that sane?

I urge the Arek'Jaalan Project directors to see past their ideals and to exercise some common sense.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.08.09 00:19:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Synthmilk
What good does being entirely neutral to the motivations behind project members, if that allows the project to be taken over by those who's goal is the projects failure?


How will this "failure" materialize? As a loss of ships? A grand theft? Some other form of trivial stupidity that is forgotten in a week?

It is obvious some elements participating intend to try and "trick" the organization into mounting a large operation in some hellhole. Maybe one of them in particular will manage to show up for his own ambush this time. Yes, yes terribly clever - but would even that constitute "failure?"

Hardly. However long the squealing hipsters stroke one another, what has been learned will remain learned. In that, the project is already a great success.

Aradinae
Posted - 2011.08.13 22:42:00 - [41]
 

We're always looking for more people, as a reminder.

Rhavas
Minmatar
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
Posted - 2011.08.19 17:33:00 - [42]
 

Multidisciplinary Division needs assistance, new members welcome.

Synthmilk
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.19 21:05:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Synthmilk on 19/08/2011 21:06:47
Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Originally by: Synthmilk
What good does being entirely neutral to the motivations behind project members, if that allows the project to be taken over by those who's goal is the projects failure?


How will this "failure" materialize? As a loss of ships? A grand theft? Some other form of trivial stupidity that is forgotten in a week?

It is obvious some elements participating intend to try and "trick" the organization into mounting a large operation in some hellhole. Maybe one of them in particular will manage to show up for his own ambush this time. Yes, yes terribly clever - but would even that constitute "failure?"

Hardly. However long the squealing hipsters stroke one another, what has been learned will remain learned. In that, the project is already a great success.


Loss of materials and personnel is always the most direct way to make any endeavor fail, should any project require a significant investment of either in a location that makes those things vulnerable, those who have declared themselves enemies of A'J could take advantage of this. Capsuleers are immortal, experienced crews and staff are irreplaceable. The loss of rare items could push back progress by months, years, or indefinitely. Wardecs can keep A'J members unable from gathering data, or drive entire groups from participating outright.

Many are concerned that the current leadership of the Security branch are Sansha loyalists who actively participate in aggressing anyone who has stated openly that they oppose Sansha. Sansha has clearly stated that A'J is just as much a target as everyone else. Operations into lowsec or w-space that require escort could easily be compromised if such escort is organized by Sansha agents, resulting in the loss of materials, data and personnel.

Thankfully the structure of A'J means nobody has any real "power", and members with concerns can typically avoid those they personally do not trust, while keeping their projects and research public. The only real issue, assuming project members act reasonably, is public image, and that, is something that is always easily tarnished and difficult to build.

Xavier Fate
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.08.19 21:56:00 - [44]
 

I appreciate what is being done here and look forward to seeing the results of this work overall. Specifically, I am quite interested in getting involved in the Rogue Drone division - I think I could be of use in this area if the project would have my assistance.

authochthonian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.20 09:22:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: authochthonian on 20/08/2011 09:23:04
Greeting Xavier,

We here at the Rogue Drone Division would be very happy to have you aboard, we have a great many projects currently ongoing and would welcome any additional assistance anyone in the research community is happy to provide.



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