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Kin Netics
Posted - 2011.08.01 02:41:00 - [31]
 

I'd say; Likes to create drama cause of RL boredom

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.01 02:56:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: NiGHTSintodreams
What does this have to do with NeX?


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Rolling Eyes

Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.08.01 03:00:00 - [33]
 

NeX

EVE went from FIS [Flying in space] to WIS/BIS [Walking in Stations/Buying in Space/Station - your choice either works].

I see stations now as a trip to the "urban strip mall" full of smoothie slurping "mall rats" and all trying to make their wage-slave incomes amount to some "bling" to try to impress someone just as shallow - pathetic...

What EVE should be - Like the Matrix... you see people in the RW side of the matrix trying to be fashion barbies? - no, they are grungy, tech-nological users in a pretty dark world... EVE was the same... Pod Pilots where melted body and mind into there pods and ships, they looked on normal humans as bacteria... to be used, or cast aside w/o a thought...

Now we have these stupid videos that look like 90210 with side glances and 20-something mindset of "wouldn't it be cool" - reminds me of that episode of SG where the director does the "spin" of a younger audience... sadly that is where we are going with EVE apparently... edgy, cool, youth - or - as mature people see it - stupid, lame, clueless and pointless.

IF they wanted to have thie NeX - make it optional with a SIMPLE button - enter incarna - and hten the players that want to use it can spend all day in that realm of the idiots, and the rest of the base can get back to the world...

Monocles BS has already split the economy to the people that dislike it "hater/peasants" in some peoples mindset, and the "Monocle/morons/vanity fops" that are the other... community is split, more than any alliance or any war, the ideology is there, sploit and done..

All we need is "Space Jock" and "EVE semi-pro sports!" yea...

Syberbolt8
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.01 03:00:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: yarm88
Any idea?


Because it takes away art department time that could otherwise be used for things like new ships in the game, modular pos's, upgraded ship models, and instead spends these art assets on boots and goggles, and rusty scorpions.

I'm not hating, just saying there are other things I would personally rather see the art department working on.

Kurj Valdoria
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.01 03:01:00 - [35]
 

none of the dresses are fabulous enough for me, seriously, everything looks drab and bland with no fun or flare

Lapine Davion
Caldari
League of Extraordinarily Bad Players
Posted - 2011.08.01 11:05:00 - [36]
 

I have no idea why people still whine, turn off CQ if it really bothers you. New, fancy clothing is not mandatory. Speculating on non-vanity items being in the NEX store is useless. CCP promising a year ago to not introduce MT, when they likely meant the Pay-to-Win type of MT, then introducing vanity items for MT and players accusing them of lying and being greedy *****s is dumb as hell.

Demanding that CCP scrap CQ and NEX when so much work has been put into it is not only dumb, but selfish as well.

CCP isn't making you walk around your CQ naked, suffering in the internet space cold. You get free clothes, after all.

I just wish there were a little teensy bit of variety in the Customization screen. I don't want my pants tucked inside my boots, damnit!

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.08.01 11:16:00 - [37]
 

I don't run captains Quarters, so why would I want NEX / AUR

Incarna would be great if it was the multiplayer environment we built ourselves up for, but instead we got a computer intensive room and now I look at a door and eve has become a joke to me after five years of playing.


Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.08.01 11:28:00 - [38]
 

I like the idea of the cash shop: you have freedom to make some really bad purchasing decisions (like monocles) and get ganked in high-sec for it!

Dalloway Jones
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.08.01 11:31:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Dalloway Jones on 01/08/2011 11:32:13
I don't hate it but I have absolutely no use for it. I feel like the pricing is idiotic but I have to admit I don't fully understand the complexities of PLEX and what that does to the in game economy and the company itself. If this all meant as some kind of huge ISK sink it didn't really go over so well.

I feel like they should have had two different currencies. Have the AUR as it is now be for the really high price things that should be veteran rewards (or people who have more RL money than sense) like ship reskins and recolors. Something like that seems worthy of being somewhat out of reach and rare.

The clothing for the avatars should have been for just RL money. It has nothing to do with the ships or game play, It isn't lost if we die in game. It is just dress up. These should have been sold for real life money only and should be WAY more reasonable. Ten to Fifteen bucks should pay for an ENTIRE outfit not a freaking tiny little high heel shoe that is 3 tiny little pixels and probably isn't even visible because our characters are so zoomed out in CQ. Guild Wars sells entire costumes for that price and people eat that stuff up.

Decus Daga
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.01 11:41:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: yarm88
Any idea?


Id say that its just a few very vocal people. But personally im a little peeved that the prices are so high and the items last forever(really dump the prices by a factor of 10 and allow them to be destroyed, id buy something then probably, but atm, im not popping a plex for something id barely see.)

And as said above, they love *****ing and complaining lol.

The R00k
Posted - 2011.08.01 11:49:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: The R00k on 01/08/2011 11:50:07
Because like many things. When you start down a dark path forever will it hold your destiny. Greed Is a powerful adversary more like a cancer than anything else. Less and less free content will come (and lets be fair the game is in a fairly poor state as it is) in it's place more and more pay to use items.

The NEX store represents everything people can do with out and nothing people really want. But Is also a symbol for the fear players have over the games development direction.

Hybrids that represent 1/5th of the games player base in weapon systems have been broken for years. moons and sov has been unbalanced for as long.

So in short Nex being developed and items for it = Time better spent on core mechanics.
And then their is the now long silence from CCP on just wtf is going to happen next patch. There has been a massive outcry against CCP they claim to have listened so now we are waiting to see if winter will bring the core mechanic fixes EVE needs or more NEX crap. If you will this Winter will decide EVE's fate for many. or at least that's how I see it.


Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.01 12:11:00 - [42]
 

A small but vocal population are mad about the NeX store.

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:21:00 - [43]
 

Because a) it's a slippery slope, b) I dislike MT in a sub-based game, and c) MT and WIS to support it takes dev focus away from spaceships.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:31:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai on 01/08/2011 13:31:22
I don't really hate the NEx. I think it's a good idea and haves lot of potential to add different kinds of gameplay into the game (and if we could pose our full body avatars as we pose for portraits, the potential would be staggering... just if the ladies were not able to spread their thighs, that is Laughing).

I just hope they will rethink their ludicrous overpricing strategy and make the feature usable to people who actually cares of it, rather than set the prices for powergamers who don't give a f*ck of Incarna. Rolling Eyes

Takamori Maruyama
Amarr
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:33:00 - [45]
 

I hate it because its a offense to anyone with a little of market notion. Seriously who ever gave the brilliant idea on the prices and the business models, yell every day in the morning

Its hard to make a MT store with popular prices 1-10 dollars(euro) for apparel?

Inappropriate comments removed. Zymurgist.

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:34:00 - [46]
 

I think the NeX store will have more relevance once we can properly walk in stations (not just in one room).

The big problem is that CCP really do need to get a move on with introducing walking in stations properly. Because people are getting really fractious.

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.08.01 14:06:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 01/08/2011 14:10:14
Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi on 01/08/2011 14:09:32
I think it is that most people fear what "MIGHT" happen instead of dealing with it "IF" it happens.

Most are worried that NEX is the doorway to paying for ingame combat items such as ships and guns and ammo that have better stats with real cash. Problem with that argument is that you can already do that anyway with PLEX. Not to mention you can still buy PLEX with ISK and still accomplish the same thing. The REAL problem is bypassing the manufacturing process of mining, refining, researching and building.

The NEX store in itself is relatively harmless. It is a money making tactic for CCP. It is a necessary evil and I approve of it. So long as the items purchased within the NEX are simply non-combat, non-game breaking vanity items or perhaps skill point redistribution tickets, (not buying skillpoints) then I will continue to support it.

Until the day that CCP breaks the fundamental game mechanics with NEX items I will continue playing and won't worry about what "MIGHT" be. The rest of the people still crying and whining are just a bunch of childish drama queens that can't get overthemselves and want attention because they fail at the game and don't like to see stuff they can't afford to buy with ISK or PLEX.

I will however state that CCP's choice of cost items in the NEX on launch is pathetic. Items cost way too much for what they are and there are far too few items to justify the opening of the store in the way they did. Find a happy medium where you have many low cost low end items around 100-300 AUR along with the high cost items and then you wouldn't look like a bunch of greedy money mongers trying to rip off your player base.

Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.01 14:15:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
and then you wouldn't look like a bunch of greedy money mongers trying to rip off your player base.


Actually, the cost of the NeX items makes CCP look like a bunch of idiots who've been suckered by some goofball marketing consultants (probably with some chemical help).

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.08.01 14:55:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Bootleg Jack on 01/08/2011 14:56:25
Originally by: yarm88
Any idea?


Jealousy.

They can't have what they want so they makeup excuses that don't even hold water or stand up to simple math.

But in the end it is excuses for jealousy.

Like the poster above, bitter over the cost = I cannot afford it Laughing

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.08.01 14:58:00 - [50]
 

I'm put off by it because of the way CCP rolled it out. AKA CCP did a terrible job with communicating what they were doing to the player base. Then there is the incredible annoyance of having to put all your crap back on after clone death or jump clone. Lastly, I don't really see anything in there worth paying for.

Zyress
Posted - 2011.08.01 15:26:00 - [51]
 

Typically MMO's go to the free to play pay to win business model when they are no longer the top of they're genre and want to steal player base from a better game that has a subscription cost. The curious thing is, Eve doesn't really have any competition even threatening the top place in this genre. They shouldn't need to drop subscriptions any time soon. If they allow "pay to win" and do not drop their subscription charge then they are really breaking the mold in coorporate greed. That said as far as I know the Nex store hasn't allowed any advantage that didn't already exist to botters, RMT'ers and the other scum that previously existed getting ahead thru flouting the policies. Sure the majority of this past expansion was the nex store and nex merchandise, and walking in stations, which the majority of the player base have no interest in and they don't feel like they got an expansion, but then, they didn't pay for an expansion either, CCP can do what they want with their money and their game direction, your subscriber fee doesn't entitle you to any say in that.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.01 17:22:00 - [52]
 

As stated by others: Opportunity Cost. Time spent on WiS could have been spent on FiS instead.

(Plus the WiS implementation isn't exciting enough to interest the FiS customers.)

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.08.01 17:44:00 - [53]
 

because the lead developers spent their time working on it instead of things like improving sov control mechanics, working on faction war, brainstorming and experimenting with features that might lead to more smaller scale pvp opportunities, tweaking ship balance, working on permisions etc..

... so much work went in to having an avatar that moved in laconic slow motion around a locked room, sucking high cpu and being touted at the future of Eve with even minor stuff like being able to walk in other parts of the station (still without shooting) that wont come for months ahead (will shooting be years?)

Serpents smile
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:08:00 - [54]
 


I didn't hate it so much, I just ignored it. Be honest it is just fluff. And bad fluff as it is. (It doesn't *spark*)
But then I found this little RP-ing piece of CCP spam in my eve box about how "good" or "great" this "nex" stuff was.

I replied to it with this at first on my first account:
Quote:
Hahahahahahahahahah

Then I blocked the stupid char the spam came from.Evil or Very Mad

Then I realized my second account had the same CCP spamEvil or Very Mad and I got, eh, furious.ugh
In short my (reply) message came down to that I rather see the few people of CCP that are allowed to work on EVE, (before they get pulled away on what they are working now for another management's brain fart) to not waste their time on stupid badly designed stuff that have no bling value whatsoever. I rather see them work on EVE THE GAME then "eve, lets dress up some sad guys in your moms basement" for ridicilious overpriced over the top MEGA Transaction items.

Look at this CCP's CEO never ever bothered to login to his own game after the GREAT character customization. Heck the big man never ever walked around _the door_ as far as we can tell. Yet he's steering CCP with a banker in his board who knows how to scam large amounts of people out of their savings into any wild direction he can think of, under the flag, "we don't want to be dinosaurs". Meaning EVERYBODY is doing MT today, we did not, we behind and boy we do now although we haven't got a CLUE how this MT thing works because we asked someone called CCP zinderfail.

Hell burns over before I ever spend any money on the nex. Heck its not even player made. And I doubt it will be in the near (5 year) future. It is so completely NOT EVE. It makes me want to puke.






DeftCrow Redriver
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:16:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: RiskyFrisky
Not the NeX, the lie.


This.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:21:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 01/08/2011 19:23:04
Originally by: Max Keitt Keitt
Only reason I keep remembering it exists is because people keep posting about it. When I'm playing, it's as if it's not even there.


Pretty much this for me too, ingame the only time I bother to look at it, is when I have seen a bunch of fear mongering here on the forums all day at work, and keeps curious enough to browse the clothing for about oh... thirty seconds? Then I get bored and I'm back to, ya know, playing the game.

Not certain why EVE subscribers decided to choose this moment as their penultimate display of fear and loathing, when Dominion and the six months of rick rolling lag in 0.0 that ensued were far more damaging to the long term cred of this game than any quafe shirt or Hello Kitty Kestrel paint job will ever be IMO.

Personally I think the subscriber base has simply undergone a vast change in past few years, and we have more twitch based gamers here than ever before, and content hungry castoffs from other MMOs.

i.e. they want the world handed to them on a silver platter, and if a single garnish is misplaced, there will be hell to pay.

I'm relatively ambivalent to this whole Incarna thing, CCP has promised for years they would deliver avatars to fill out their sci-fiction repertoire and they have done so, certainly they seem to have bit off a little more than they can chew, but so long as the next expansion has nothing to do with vanity aspects of the game (unless it is more Scorpion and Maller redos) then I could care less.

NiGHTSintodreams
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:28:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
because the lead developers spent their time working on it instead of things like improving sov control mechanics, working on faction war, brainstorming and experimenting with features that might lead to more smaller scale pvp opportunities, tweaking ship balance, working on permisions etc..

... so much work went in to having an avatar that moved in laconic slow motion around a locked room, sucking high cpu and being touted at the future of Eve with even minor stuff like being able to walk in other parts of the station (still without shooting) that wont come for months ahead (will shooting be years?)


I'm always amused by your type; the type that assumes that the CCP is composed of a single team which can be working on only one thing at a time.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:32:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: NiGHTSintodreams
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
because the lead developers spent their time working on it instead of things like improving sov control mechanics, working on faction war, brainstorming and experimenting with features that might lead to more smaller scale pvp opportunities, tweaking ship balance, working on permisions etc..

... so much work went in to having an avatar that moved in laconic slow motion around a locked room, sucking high cpu and being touted at the future of Eve with even minor stuff like being able to walk in other parts of the station (still without shooting) that wont come for months ahead (will shooting be years?)


I'm always amused by your type; the type that assumes that the CCP is composed of a single team which can be working on only one thing at a time.


I think it is a matter of spatial recognition for people; they are unable to actually conceptualize complex systems all at once, so they just go straight to the end result of said system, and assume the entire scope of Point A to B with nothing in between.

i.e. if CCP puts out an expansion devoted almost exclusively to avatars and vanity, it must be that all six hundred employees that walk through the door every day, are somehow involved in that regard day in and day out.

NiGHTSintodreams
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:44:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: NiGHTSintodreams on 01/08/2011 19:44:39
Originally by: Mendolus

I think it is a matter of spatial recognition for people; they are unable to actually conceptualize complex systems all at once, so they just go straight to the end result of said system, and assume the entire scope of Point A to B with nothing in between.

i.e. if CCP puts out an expansion devoted almost exclusively to avatars and vanity, it must be that all six hundred employees that walk through the door every day, are somehow involved in that regard day in and day out.


QFE Very Happy

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:49:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: NiGHTSintodreams
Edited by: NiGHTSintodreams on 01/08/2011 19:44:39
Originally by: Mendolus

I think it is a matter of spatial recognition for people; they are unable to actually conceptualize complex systems all at once, so they just go straight to the end result of said system, and assume the entire scope of Point A to B with nothing in between.

i.e. if CCP puts out an expansion devoted almost exclusively to avatars and vanity, it must be that all six hundred employees that walk through the door every day, are somehow involved in that regard day in and day out.


QFE Very Happy


BTW I loved the original Nights game for Sega Saturn, the control and fluid flight mechanics were just something I had never seen before in my life up until that point, even though technically I was 15 at the time, lol...

Got the new one, played it for a few days, but was not nearly immersed as I was in the original. I played the **** out of the original for half a year as I recall.


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