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SS32134b
Posted - 2011.07.31 16:33:00 - [1]
 

Mark
Florida's Computer Store
www.FloridasComputerStore.com


I contacted these folks and after consultations we arrived on a configuration specifically for EvE. The breakdown is below, I received the box and everything is as promised. The price is reasonable and performance is great!! No lag or balkiness at all in CQ or configuring the avatar. To be honest, I was expecting an average build with a bit more speed, but what I received is magnificent.
Highly recommend the company for any build you are considering, and NO, I have no ties or relationship with the company or it's employees. Nor was I given compensation for my recommendation....

> Custom 88X Computer System:
>
> AMD 3.2GHz Six Core CPU
> 16GB DDR3 Triple Channel RAM Memory
> 500GB SATA 7200RPM Hard Drive
> GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) Superclocked 1GB GDDR
> 1000 Watt PSU
> CD/DVD RW Burner Dual Layer SATA
> AV - Symantec Norton 360 V5.0
> Full packaged Windows 7 Home Premium w/ Install Disk and Manua
> Network Card/LAN Speed 10/100/1000Mbps
> 8 Channel HD Audio Sound card
> 6 High speed USB ports
> 2 eSATA ports for connecting external SATA hard drives
> PS/2 Keyboard & PS/2 Optical 2-button Mouse included
> Fully Insured FedEx Shipping: $40
>
> Total Cost: $1057.95

We will indeed install everything and have the computer ready to use right out of the box. We would also love to install and update Eve Online for you as well so you can begin gaming with your new computer right away! As for the liquid cooling I really would recommend not using it. It would be a very expensive and very unnecessary expense. We don't currently install water cooling systems so in turn we use really high quality components so the fans will be more than enough keeping your system very cool.

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2011.07.31 16:46:00 - [2]
 

Moved from General Discussion.

Asm Khurelem
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.31 17:07:00 - [3]
 

If CQ didn't exist I'd be shouting "OVERKILL!", however, since it does, I need only say:

That's overdoing it a bit.

Nite Piper
Posted - 2011.07.31 17:08:00 - [4]
 

Phenom II X6 is an absolutely excellent and extremely good value CPU.
It's particularly good for complex loads and heavy non-symmetric multitasking.
It's old and not really a racing CPU any longer, more a heavy duty truck. But it's ridiculous cheap. However, it doesn't work with triple channel RAM. Neither does 16GB. 16 is clearly a double-channel config, so that triple channel spec is false.

Overall it's a decent spec that I think you will be quite happy with.
Mine runs 3 EVE clients with max graphics + a load of other programs, browser and various tools, without breaking sweat.

I built a similar Ph II X 6 with a higher performance 2GB HD6970 videocard, 120GB SSD, 2 TB HD, Blu-Ray drive, and settled for "only" 8GB RAM and "only" 600W PSU. non-OC. Base Windows experience for it is 7.5 (lowest subscore). And paid similar money as you for all components.

Building it yourself is the only way to get perfect balance and maximum value. (if you know what you do)

I would guess 1000W and 16GB may work better for you though, since you then won't have to upgrade those parts in a future.


Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.31 18:02:00 - [5]
 

Quote:
GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) Superclocked 1GB GDDR


you got taken bro. The 450 tho an alright card is vastly inferior to the GTX 460 which was what some would call the epic card of 2010. There is also the non Ti version of the GTX 560 and 550 Ti beat the 450 by about 20%. There is also the Radeon 6850 which is a really good card, comparable to the 460 and beats the 450 by 30%.

1000W of power is WAY WAY WAY more than you need, 1k psu is better suited for 2x 580s in SLI and running an overclocked i7 and 4 mechanical hard drives.

As for networking, the integrated network ports on your mobo are really good these days. There is no need to a network adapter.

On board audio is also quite good these days, infact you can spend an equivalent amount of money on an overclocker/performance board and get real, honest to goodness, X-fi chips integrated onto the mobo. And for the bargain hunter the realtek powered audio on most mobos is good enough to game with and only audiophiles can tell the difference.

And last but not least, you probably got a AMD 1090T or sister chip. These are a 6 core AMD chip that in all honesty i cant recommend since the introduction of the intel sandy bridge lineup. A similarly i5-2500 at stock speeds can beat the pants off a similarly priced AMD 1090T in most situations by 20%.

It should also be noted that you only have crossfire as your only multi card option if you are going that rout. SLI was not licensed to AMD boards untill recently with the AM3+ platform. the 880 or 88x platform was an old AM3.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.31 18:15:00 - [6]
 

CPU will end up underused, video card is weak, price is hilariously high.
Final verdict : junk.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.31 18:20:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Akita T
CPU will end up underused, video card is weak, price is hilariously high.
Final verdict : junk.


I spent ten minutes writing my response and you swoop in with 13 word response and nail it.

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.31 18:48:00 - [8]
 

+1 to overpriced.

Dude. Next time you do failfit, run it by us BEFORE you open your wallet.

Nite Piper
Posted - 2011.07.31 19:11:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Nite Piper on 31/07/2011 19:15:13
Originally by: Lithalnas

And last but not least, you probably got a AMD 1090T or sister chip. These are a 6 core AMD chip that in all honesty i cant recommend since the introduction of the intel sandy bridge lineup. A similarly i5-2500 at stock speeds can beat the pants off a similarly priced AMD 1090T in most situations by 20%.

This is not entirely true. First, they're not similarily priced. i5-2500 is about 25% more expensive.
While you no doubt have been suitably impressed by i5-2500 on various benchmark scores, they have been accomplished by the usual heavy emphasis on code that is optimised for running on Intel's latest architectures, which in turn are optimised to run benchmarks quickly. We're mainly talking symmetric MT SIMD here. (This was one issue which the FTC sued Intel for, controlling benchmarking for purpose of cheating, and the issue AMD recently left BABCO.) Intel are brilliant at things like converting a video format to another, while doing nothing else at the same time. But for a much truer picture of how the CPUs perform on more normal, varied and un-optimized code, this image of doing a 3DS rendering is maybe more enlightening.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-15.html
As you can see, it's actually the Phenom X6 that is 20% faster.
I have to say I'm pretty convinced that something similar is true about how these chips handle EVE.

Another thing to consider at choice of CPU is what MB you can use and what you have to pay for it. AMD have been able to offer bug-free chip sets with high SATA throughput, a bit longer than Intel.

Regardless, either CPUs will just be trotting along close to idle, for the most part. Both CPUs are perfectly viable. You will pay slightly more for the Intel.


Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.31 19:53:00 - [10]
 

That's a hilariously bad and expensive setup.

Bad things:
- Norton preinstalled. LOL.
- Listing motherboard features seperately to pad out the list.
- Total overkill PSU.
- Triple channel requires a multiple of 3. No way to run 16gb in triple channel. RIP-OFF.
- Hilariously bad (and old!) video card for a new $1k setup.
- Totally overpriced. You can get a better setup for half the price.

It looks like the store is trying to saddle people with their surplus junk and selling it at a premium to boot. If anyone actually bought this, i feel sorry for you.

Nite Piper
Posted - 2011.07.31 20:16:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Reiisha
That's a hilariously bad and expensive setup.

Bad things:
- Norton preinstalled. LOL.
- Listing motherboard features seperately to pad out the list.
- Total overkill PSU.
- Triple channel requires a multiple of 3. No way to run 16gb in triple channel. RIP-OFF.
- Hilariously bad (and old!) video card for a new $1k setup.
- Totally overpriced. You can get a better setup for half the price.

It looks like the store is trying to saddle people with their surplus junk and selling it at a premium to boot. If anyone actually bought this, i feel sorry for you.

I think what you maybe forget in all this hyperbole, is that OP is not a self builder. And you have to pay something for others input of work. Also on the price issue, I think you maybe overlook there's case, keyboard, mouse, transport, insurance, NAV + Windows included? It all adds up.
And while you, experienced hardware nerd, might lol at Norton installed, I think that is actually pretty wise, for the OP.

Yes, you can get a better setup at a lower price. Half seems overly optimistic though. But that setup would be more final, in that case. In this case, the 450 should be fine for EVE for now, and there should be no PSU problems for inserting whatever videocard in the future.
But this is how retail PCs typically look like. Too weak video. Sadly. At least he didn't got stuck with a wimp PSU and little option to do anything about it in a future when it lags behind.

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.31 20:31:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Nite Piper
Originally by: Reiisha
That's a hilariously bad and expensive setup.

Bad things:
- Norton preinstalled. LOL.
- Listing motherboard features seperately to pad out the list.
- Total overkill PSU.
- Triple channel requires a multiple of 3. No way to run 16gb in triple channel. RIP-OFF.
- Hilariously bad (and old!) video card for a new $1k setup.
- Totally overpriced. You can get a better setup for half the price.

It looks like the store is trying to saddle people with their surplus junk and selling it at a premium to boot. If anyone actually bought this, i feel sorry for you.

I think what you maybe forget in all this hyperbole, is that OP is not a self builder. And you have to pay something for others input of work. Also on the price issue, I think you maybe overlook there's case, keyboard, mouse, transport, insurance, NAV + Windows included? It all adds up.
And while you, experienced hardware nerd, might lol at Norton installed, I think that is actually pretty wise, for the OP.

Yes, you can get a better setup at a lower price. Half seems overly optimistic though. But that setup would be more final, in that case. In this case, the 450 should be fine for EVE for now, and there should be no PSU problems for inserting whatever videocard in the future.
But this is how retail PCs typically look like. Too weak video. Sadly. At least he didn't got stuck with a wimp PSU and little option to do anything about it in a future when it lags behind.

Reiisha makes excellent point. About a third of those specs are actually motherboard features.

Here is a bunch of Newegg gaming choices: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006736%20600014735%20600030537&IsNodeId=1&name=Gaming

Nite Piper
Posted - 2011.07.31 20:42:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Nite Piper on 31/07/2011 20:52:13
Originally by: Caleidascope
Reiisha makes excellent point. About a third of those specs are actually motherboard features.

Here is a bunch of Newegg gaming choices: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006736%20600014735%20600030537&IsNodeId=1&name=Gaming


True, those are mostly excellently spec'ed PCs at good prices. But not half price. On the contrary, they're sort of in the same ballpark. But would one of the cheaper work well enough for EVE? Absolutely.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.31 20:45:00 - [14]
 

I just noticed it said triple channel, thats funny because only the LGA 1366 x58 and old opertrons have triple channel memory. Nowadays everyone uses dual channel. I am beginning to think that in some way we are getting trolled. Luckily our trolling back is amusing me this sunday afternoon.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.31 20:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Nite Piper
True, those are mostly excellently spec'ed PCs at good prices. But not half price.

If you buy the components separately and assemble them yourself, cut some costs here and there, you do end up at half price Wink


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Nite Piper
Posted - 2011.07.31 20:55:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Nite Piper
True, those are mostly excellently spec'ed PCs at good prices. But not half price.

If you buy the components separately and assemble them yourself, cut some costs here and there, you do end up at half price Wink



Oh, self building is absolutely the way to go. This is my 7'th full build.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.01 04:07:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Nite Piper
Originally by: Reiisha
That's a hilariously bad and expensive setup.

Bad things:
- Norton preinstalled. LOL.
- Listing motherboard features seperately to pad out the list.
- Total overkill PSU.
- Triple channel requires a multiple of 3. No way to run 16gb in triple channel. RIP-OFF.
- Hilariously bad (and old!) video card for a new $1k setup.
- Totally overpriced. You can get a better setup for half the price.

It looks like the store is trying to saddle people with their surplus junk and selling it at a premium to boot. If anyone actually bought this, i feel sorry for you.

I think what you maybe forget in all this hyperbole, is that OP is not a self builder. And you have to pay something for others input of work. Also on the price issue, I think you maybe overlook there's case, keyboard, mouse, transport, insurance, NAV + Windows included? It all adds up.
And while you, experienced hardware nerd, might lol at Norton installed, I think that is actually pretty wise, for the OP.

Yes, you can get a better setup at a lower price. Half seems overly optimistic though. But that setup would be more final, in that case. In this case, the 450 should be fine for EVE for now, and there should be no PSU problems for inserting whatever videocard in the future.
But this is how retail PCs typically look like. Too weak video. Sadly. At least he didn't got stuck with a wimp PSU and little option to do anything about it in a future when it lags behind.


I recently built a PC for my friend with very similar specs, about 6 months ago, which cost about 600 euros. It had everything in that list aside from Norton (and dual channel 8gb), and a GTX460 instead of a 450. The same setup now costs around 500-550 euros, and given the price difference between the US and EU markets that comes down to around 550 to 600 dollars. That's a pretty big difference.

I also know exactly what you mean. People with no experience in building computers, or knowledge of hardware, are at a severe disadvantage - Many shops are always trying to sell their most expensive or outdated stuff and when there's a newbie coming through the door looking for a new pc, they jump on the opportunity like a horny grasshopper. It's good that the OP does actually go to a place where he can ask for advice without anyone trying to sell him stuff, but in the end, if you want a good PC for a decent price you'll have to do some research of your own, especially if you're willing to spend $1000 or more on one. Never just blindly take the word of a salesman (especially the "i have it too" type).

Also, Norton *is* bad. It doesn't hold up to most free (!) alternatives. Symantec is good at research into malware and all that, but not actually writing a good AV. Avast, AVG and Kaspersky are just some examples of free AV's which are flatout better and are less noticable to the user aswell (seriously... I hate Norton's "in your face" design and over-the-top resource use). As far as security goes, it's another area where it's wise to spend some time researching it.

Nite Piper
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:26:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Reiisha
I recently built a PC for my friend with very similar specs,..

...Also, Norton *is* bad. It doesn't hold up to most free (!) alternatives. Symantec is good at research into malware and all that, but not actually writing a good AV. Avast, AVG and Kaspersky are just some examples of free AV's which are flatout better and are less noticable to the user aswell (seriously... I hate Norton's "in your face" design and over-the-top resource use). As far as security goes, it's another area where it's wise to spend some time researching it.


Smile ...So bottom line is still that you ended up spending in the same ballpark kind of money for in the same ballpark kind of specs. Wink

As for "Norton is bad", would you be surprised if I disagree? Cool

I spread my money around. I have never bought a mainboard from the same brand twice (that principle will be harder to keep up). While I started off on Intel, and while I today lean more towards AMD, I have still had multiple Pentiums and Cores along with my Athlons and Phenoms. Same with video cards, PSUs, everything.

And the same with AV software. I run or have run all the AV programs you list, professionally and privately. I have used AV software for almost two decades. I have also a couple of hands-on experiences of serious virus attacks. My three comments will be: 1 - "Free" doesn't cut it. 2 - I like Norton AV. 3 - I only ever buy the basic AV, never any more ambitious "security" packages. That goes for all brands. I prefer to handle firewall and other things in other ways, where I know what I do and know what is happening.

This last computer once again got Kaspersky AV (paid licence, and incidentally the most expensive AV I've ever had), but it kinda only confirms what I already know. I like Norton better. That doesn't really much matter because I consider them about on par, and I'm still committed to varying my experiences.
What you dislike about Norton - "in your face" - happen to be something I like. Norton is rational and understandable. Kaspersky is "unobtrusive" to you, but to me it's 'funny things going on - is it Kaspersky screwing or something else?'.
The one bad thing I will say about Norton is that together with Vista's readyboost, it seriously lags boot. Once it's booted there is no problem and WindowsXP doesn't have that. Also, default config is a bit paranoid and will chug on the harddrive a lot. But that default is understandable since it's about a customer security software, after all.

There's so much else I could say about other AV, but it's kinda pointless, since ultimately the big AVs are about on par. The only one I truly dislike is an iteration of Macafee, couple of years back. That one I uninstalled after a month.


Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.02 06:04:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Nite Piper
Originally by: Reiisha
I recently built a PC for my friend with very similar specs,..


Smile ...So bottom line is still that you ended up spending in the same ballpark kind of money for in the same ballpark kind of specs. Wink




I said in the same post that the pc with similar specs to the one in the OP costs about half as much as the one in the OP :P

1050 bucks vs 600 bucks.

As for Norton...

Had very bad experiences, steered clear from them ever since.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.03 04:02:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Nite Piper
So bottom line is still that you ended up spending in the same ballpark kind of money for in the same ballpark kind of specs

You're forgetting something - whenever you pay something in EUR, you're also adding a pretty hefty VAT - anything between 15% (Cyprus) to 25% (Hungary, Sweden).
So, for whatever you pay 1000 USD in the USA, you might end up paying NOT the 700 EUR you might expect given the current exchange rates (or the 740 EUR in early February this year, or the 835 EUR from this time last year), but more around 800-875 EUR now, depending on country (or up to 925 EUR this February, or up to 1040 EUR last year).

Gibbo5771
Posted - 2011.08.03 08:33:00 - [21]
 

Amazing, all that nice hardware and the GPU is subpar compared the the rest of the machine.

Did I mention I run cq @ 35fps on a 4GB DDR2 800mhz, P5QL Mobo with a "E3300" overclocked and a nvidia 9600GT..PSU is only a 650watt and case is an aero cooling tower....a nice basic 250gb HDD

All that for under 350, great eh? spend your money somewhere else :)

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.03 13:59:00 - [22]
 

16gb of RAM is overkill unless you're running a server or something. Will just leech power and cause more heat.

Games don't utilize that much, but maybe in a few years.

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.08.03 14:38:00 - [23]
 

Rig.. *shudders*

Johnson Johnson
NerdHerd
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.03 18:39:00 - [24]
 

ahhh, this must be one of those '"T2" rigs: horribly overpriced and now youre stuck with it


 

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