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Last Star Fighter
Posted - 2011.07.31 04:15:00 - [1]
 

Why am I not surprised.

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.07.31 09:18:00 - [2]
 

Judging by the last lot of minutes I expect them to be released about Sept/Oct time.

Don't forget they have to be written, sanitised, checked, rechecked and approved before any information is doled out to the proletariat. So don't hold your breath.Sad

Lakitel
Posted - 2011.07.31 10:25:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Cedille Mureau
Judging by the last lot of minutes I expect them to be released about Sept/Oct time.

Don't forget they have to be written, sanitised, checked, rechecked and approved before any information is doled out to the proletariat. So don't hold your breath.Sad


Don't forget, after all that they need to be re-approved, re-drafted, re-censored . . I mean re-sanitized, re-checked and then re-pre-approved before they are approved for the re-pro-approval and pro-pre-approval . . . . and that's without delays :P.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.31 19:27:00 - [4]
 

Last I heard they were in CCP's hands awaiting some censoring... And that was over a week or two ago.

Last Star Fighter
Posted - 2011.08.05 01:05:00 - [5]
 

Are they hoping to avoid another :18 months: thing? Time to censor out all the truth about the meeting and leave us with nothing but a hallow shell that we are supposed to be satisfied with.

It took a long time to get the CSM to something respectable, only to see this current CSM undermine all the progress. Why do you all do this?

Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.05 02:07:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Last Star Fighter
Are they hoping to avoid another :18 months: thing? Time to censor out all the truth about the meeting and leave us with nothing but a hallow shell that we are supposed to be satisfied with.

It took a long time to get the CSM to something respectable, only to see this current CSM undermine all the progress. Why do you all do this?


If you thought the last CSM was respectable then the joke is on you I'm afraid.

Sofia Bellard
Posted - 2011.08.19 19:10:00 - [7]
 

When are these going to be released?

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:15:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Cedille Mureau
Judging by the last lot of minutes I expect them to be released about Sept/Oct time.

Don't forget they have to be written, sanitised, checked, rechecked and approved before any information is doled out to the proletariat. So don't hold your breath.Sad


I wonder if any CSM members can confirm at what stage in this process the minutes currently are?

daisy cutta
Posted - 2011.08.24 17:58:00 - [9]
 



Errm........

Doesn't the fact we haven't seen them yet tell you something

We are not going to see them, they want it to all blow over and for us to forget about it

If they wanted us to see them. then they would of been released a long time ago





Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.24 20:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Steph Wing
I wonder if any CSM members can confirm at what stage in this process the minutes currently are?


We received a draft from CCP yesterday, and are preparing our comments.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.26 12:30:00 - [11]
 

How's that coming along then?

SexxxSlave
Posted - 2011.08.27 06:52:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Steph Wing
I wonder if any CSM members can confirm at what stage in this process the minutes currently are?


We received a draft from CCP yesterday, and are preparing our comments.



so then, another 2 months before these minutes see the light of day? This CSM has become a joke and is literally almost insignificant. It seems Mittens is getting his wish. CSM is no longer a relevant entity. CCP will now destroy the game we know and love without anyone to check their moves.

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.08.27 09:30:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Cedille Mureau on 27/08/2011 09:33:46

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

We received a draft from CCP yesterday, and are preparing our comments.


Told you so!

This is getting beyond a joke. Who writes the damned things any way? If we wanted to read a press statement from CCP we already have plenty of those.

Why do you bother? I'll answer that, so that you can influence the course of the game in your favour without the trouble of being accountable to those who elected you.

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2011.08.27 16:03:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Steph Wing
I wonder if any CSM members can confirm at what stage in this process the minutes currently are?


We received a draft from CCP yesterday, and are preparing our comments.


Two months for a draft. Your comments take 2 or so weeks to get finalized, then sent to CCP who will take another two months to respond to your response to the draft. Which will need a response from the CSM to the response of CCP to the response of the CSM to the draft minutes.

We should see some minutes appear March 2013.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.28 12:48:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Darth Vapour
Two months for a draft.

I submitted a draft (for both CCP and CSM comment) on Friday in response to CCP's draft.

My draft was the 5th draft of the minutes.

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Darth Vapour
Two months for a draft.

I submitted a draft (for both CCP and CSM comment) on Friday in response to CCP's draft.

My draft was the 5th draft of the minutes.


Who made the other drafts and when ? And how long are you prepared to continue in the back and forth ?

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.08.29 09:15:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Darth Vapour
Two months for a draft.

I submitted a draft (for both CCP and CSM comment) on Friday in response to CCP's draft.

My draft was the 5th draft of the minutes.


Read, mark and inwardly digest the following: "Publish meeting minutes within three days of the meeting."

quote from: Link

Complete fail. Mad

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.30 09:25:00 - [18]
 

Three days... three months?

CCP Xhagen

Posted - 2011.08.30 11:29:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Cedille Mureau
Judging by the last lot of minutes I expect them to be released about Sept/Oct time.

Don't forget they have to be written, sanitised, checked, rechecked and approved before any information is doled out to the proletariat. So don't hold your breath.Sad

Since I am the one responsible for getting the minutes out I'm the guy that is responsible for the delays.

Here is the process so far:
-I transcribed the initial text and sent to the CSM for commenting
-Having gotten it back relatively quickly I sent it to the CCP people that need to read and comment
-Sent the re-reviewed back to the CSM
-The CSM objected to many of the reviews done
-Edits have been going back and forth for a while now

It has always been the aim to release any minutes from CCP/CSM meetings with the approval of everyone that participated. Sometimes it is easy, sometimes it is not. When the matters of tone and semantics come up the best way is to simply go through it step by step and resolve the differences. And this takes time.

I realize that many are waiting for these minutes, but we want to get this right - it is just the question of finding the right 'right' that all parties can agree to. Specially when the subject is volatile and sensitive.

The main point is that we will release these minutes, but we will only release them when all parties have accepted what is being written in the minutes.

Ting Ting
Posted - 2011.08.30 13:46:00 - [20]
 

If the two involved parties, CCP and the CSM have been unable to agree on the minutes in two months how can they ever do so in the future ? Once the minutes are out it must be because of one party having agreed to the demands of the other and the way power works it will be the CSM who will have made a compromise.

Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
Posted - 2011.08.30 14:39:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
Judging by the last lot of minutes I expect them to be released about Sept/Oct time.

Don't forget they have to be written, sanitised, checked, rechecked and approved before any information is doled out to the proletariat. So don't hold your breath.Sad

Since I am the one responsible for getting the minutes out I'm the guy that is responsible for the delays.

Here is the process so far:
-I transcribed the initial text and sent to the CSM for commenting
-Having gotten it back relatively quickly I sent it to the CCP people that need to read and comment
-Sent the re-reviewed back to the CSM
-The CSM objected to many of the reviews done
-Edits have been going back and forth for a while now

It has always been the aim to release any minutes from CCP/CSM meetings with the approval of everyone that participated. Sometimes it is easy, sometimes it is not. When the matters of tone and semantics come up the best way is to simply go through it step by step and resolve the differences. And this takes time.

I realize that many are waiting for these minutes, but we want to get this right - it is just the question of finding the right 'right' that all parties can agree to. Specially when the subject is volatile and sensitive.

The main point is that we will release these minutes, but we will only release them when all parties have accepted what is being written in the minutes.


So in other words ... never. Let's be honest - 3 months is more than enough time to get this done if it was a priority (which it's obviously not). You should be fired in my opinion.

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:39:00 - [22]
 

Hopeless, absolutely hopeless. If you cannot or will not abide by the directions laid down in the document setting up the CSM that CCP itself commisioned, why would anyone believe what you eventually concoct.

As the former secretary responsible for preparing and publishing the minutes of a large and very busy voluntary association if I had dared to delay the issuing of the minutes of an emergency meeting for this length of time I have no doubt that I would have been promptly sacked and admonished for failing in my duty.

The meeting was supposed to be an "Emergency" doesn't seem to much of an emergency if you can't or won't do better than this.

As the Duke of Wellington is reported to have said "Publish and be damned" or are your egos so fragile that you are only happy publishing what amounts to a press release?

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:40:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
Judging by the last lot of minutes I expect them to be released about Sept/Oct time.

Don't forget they have to be written, sanitised, checked, rechecked and approved before any information is doled out to the proletariat. So don't hold your breath.Sad

Since I am the one responsible for getting the minutes out I'm the guy that is responsible for the delays.

Here is the process so far:
-I transcribed the initial text and sent to the CSM for commenting
-Having gotten it back relatively quickly I sent it to the CCP people that need to read and comment
-Sent the re-reviewed back to the CSM
-The CSM objected to many of the reviews done
-Edits have been going back and forth for a while now

It has always been the aim to release any minutes from CCP/CSM meetings with the approval of everyone that participated. Sometimes it is easy, sometimes it is not. When the matters of tone and semantics come up the best way is to simply go through it step by step and resolve the differences. And this takes time.

I realize that many are waiting for these minutes, but we want to get this right - it is just the question of finding the right 'right' that all parties can agree to. Specially when the subject is volatile and sensitive.

The main point is that we will release these minutes, but we will only release them when all parties have accepted what is being written in the minutes.



you know what this post says to me? Youre trying to get the CSM to agree to have you publish minutes that make CCP look like saints, all while throwing CSM under the bus. While constant back and forth communication is necessary, stop trying to get the CSM to agree to publish meeting minutes that make you look like the innocent bystanders here.

SexxxSlave
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:22:00 - [24]
 

methinks it's time to change the OP title to reflect "September"

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:48:00 - [25]
 

How about this: Since the CSM and CCP can't agree on tone and choice of wording or whatever, release two copies of the minutes: One that CCP approves of, and a second one that the CSM can live with.

Let the players weigh the two and judge for themselves.

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.30 18:49:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Steph Wing
How about this: Since the CSM and CCP can't agree on tone and choice of wording or whatever, release two copies of the minutes: One that CCP approves of, and a second one that the CSM can live with.

Let the players weigh the two and judge for themselves.


both would be watered down.

Release the full, unadulterated minutes. Then let us decide for ourselves. You dont delay minutes of a pivotal meeting for 3 months unless there is stuff in them that makes your company look like the bunch of asshats they are

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:49:00 - [27]
 

^^ or that

jessylin
Amarr
Viagra Lovers
Posted - 2011.08.31 05:48:00 - [28]
 

Please use a voice recorder next time and copy the mp3 file to soundcloud ..
all should be done in like 10min

and i still stand by my decision that CSM is a BIG JOKE

cyllan anassan
Amarr
DEUS EX 1
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:14:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
Judging by the last lot of minutes I expect them to be released about Sept/Oct time.

Don't forget they have to be written, sanitised, checked, rechecked and approved before any information is doled out to the proletariat. So don't hold your breath.Sad

Since I am the one responsible for getting the minutes out I'm the guy that is responsible for the delays.

Here is the process so far:
-I transcribed the initial text and sent to the CSM for commenting
-Having gotten it back relatively quickly I sent it to the CCP people that need to read and comment
-Sent the re-reviewed back to the CSM
-The CSM objected to many of the reviews done
-Edits have been going back and forth for a while now




i work for a medium size company, we have management meetings, some good , some bad, the meetings is just a transcrip of what was said which shoulnd take more than a week to rewrite, another thing is what CCP decides is going to happen and what changes are going to be done, with what is said in the meetings.





It has always been the aim to release any minutes from CCP/CSM meetings with the approval of everyone that participated. Sometimes it is easy, sometimes it is not. When the matters of tone and semantics come up the best way is to simply go through it step by step and resolve the differences. And this takes time.

I realize that many are waiting for these minutes, but we want to get this right - it is just the question of finding the right 'right' that all parties can agree to. Specially when the subject is volatile and sensitive.

The main point is that we will release these minutes, but we will only release them when all parties have accepted what is being written in the minutes.

pick Kion
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:16:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: jessylin
Please use a voice recorder next time and copy the mp3 file to soundcloud ..
all should be done in like 10min

and i still stand by my decision that CSM is a BIG JOKE





HEY GREAT IDEA!!!!!!

WHY NOT?

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS ACTUALLY SAID ON THOSE MEETINGS, NOT A SOVIET PROPAGANDA PIECE.


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