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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:45:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 18/08/2011 20:45:48

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Why should clothing be destructible? You are naked in your pod anyway. You only dress up for photo shooting (portrait) or walking around in your cabin. The one high tech thing you get provided in every damn station in the whole universe.


It needs to be moved from one place to another. Either it's stored on your ship or in your pod (while you're naked) to be there when you step out.


Otherwise, it's just magic teleporting clothing. Try and explain that one?



Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.18 22:59:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 18/08/2011 23:01:21
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 18/08/2011 23:00:48


EVE News 24 Article


Quote:
Daniel Block: It’s a bit tough as we’ve always got a vocal minority and a silent majority.



Quote:
Ever since then-U.S. President Nixon invoked them to support the Vietnam War in 1969, the “Silent Majority Defense” has been a staple of unpopular politicians. A large group of vocal protesters may hate me, this argument goes, but the silent majority approve my actions. More often than not, this silent majority proves ficticious, and it is the “vocal minority” that proves the larger group. I’ve learned to be quite skeptical when this defense is trotted out to justify a course of action.



Give us metrics, or you're lying.

Period. The End.

Show us that the "Silent Majority" is using the NEX at a good clip. Because, I'm not seeing it from the market.


PLEX Purchasing has not gone up, so that doesn't account for the transactions you're saying are happening, and neither is the market showing a lot of goods are being traded for ISK either. Except for Precision Boots. SO, you're either LYING through your teeth about this, or you have some reason to hide this miraculous data about how many people are using it.


Let me guess... minus the Boots - you've had on the order of ... 200-300 People use it besides the "Boots"? Out of 360k Subscriptions according to a recent interview with CCP Hilmar. That's less than .1% usage.


That's not a silent majority. That's the deafening silence of APATHY.


It's also the signs of FAILURE and "Marketing Speak".



Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.19 22:01:00 - [63]
 



I'm changing the title of this thread to Monocleopoly.

Because really, that's what this is.

CCP has a monopoly on the monocles and is overpricing and even stooping to unethical usage of monopolies on their market to price cater.

Most importantly is Price Discrimination :

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Improved price discrimination allows a monopolist to gain more profit by charging more to those who want or need the product more or who have a greater ability to pay. For example, most economic textbooks cost more in the United States than in "Third world countries" like Ethiopia. In this case, the publisher is using their government granted copyright monopoly to price discriminate between (presumed) wealthier economics students and (presumed) poor economics students. Similarly, most patented medications cost more in the U.S. than in other countries with a (presumed) poorer customer base. Perfect price discrimination would allow the monopolist to charge a unique price to each customer based on their individual demand.



CCP.

You are selling THE SAME GOODS.

For different prices, with no competition, and you are targeting price discrimination against people purely on the amount of "Wealth" they have.

The $1000 pants at least offer SOMETHING that the other pants don't have, jewels, custom made by a designer, etc.

However, you're not offering the base line products at COMPETITIVE market prices as any other MMO virtual good.


Unethical and disgusting, really.


So, there is nothing special about any of these over-priced goods than any other suit or outfit. What you are doing is abusing your customers, degrading their value and offending their sensibilities.

Sure, some customers are going to be involved in buying THE SAME THING at different prices - but you wouldn't be able to do this if there was actual competition on your personal pet virtual clothing store.


Let me tell you why? Because of 'Precision' Boots.

People would be buying them in large quantities, reselling them and making profit at reasonable prices much more than 1 pair of boots going for 100M ISK could ever do so.


Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.19 23:11:00 - [64]
 

the difference between a nex store item and a real one, for 20$ the real one is actually mine.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.20 00:44:00 - [65]
 

The best way to solve this is not to buy anything from the Nex.

Eve is averaging under 30,000 players online these days.

Soon enough CCP will start to see the error of their greedy ways. Hopefully it will not be too late.

Aldan Romar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.20 06:23:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Bloodpetal
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 18/08/2011 20:45:48It needs to be moved from one place to another. Either it's stored on your ship or in your pod (while you're naked) to be there when you step out.


Otherwise, it's just magic teleporting clothing. Try and explain that one?




High Tech.

As a non-purchaser of NEX items you probably won't know that what you actually purchase is a fixed blueprint of the clothing item. As soon as you leave a pod you will nano-assemble NEX clothes around your body. To achieve a flawless assembly process these blueprints only work when they are plugged in (refered to as customization). Sadly the cybernetic structure of a capsuleer body is limited to only one set of blueprints for each body region, but to offset this they come with an inbuilt insurance option. As opposed to cybernetic implants, NEX blueprints are stored and transmitted within your brainwave pattern so they are available with a new clone. I heard they were working on jump clones as well, but I couldn't verify that first hand. I'm afraid surplus blueprints have to be transported like any other item but that still beats the standard off the rack clothing designs even with those being available any region any station...

For your convenience I will quote Arthur C. Clarke with "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.", so you don't have to worry about the "magic teleporting" misconception.

Anecdotal I personally couldn't believe that warping through space and jumping between systems stuff at the beginning, but having witnessed it first hand I am now beginning to believe it's just some funky technology.

Adonis Peverell
Posted - 2011.08.20 06:45:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
The best way to solve this is not to buy anything from the Nex.

Eve is averaging under 30,000 players online these days.

Soon enough CCP will start to see the error of their greedy ways. Hopefully it will not be too late.


Linkage for statistics?

Cedar Locus
Posted - 2011.08.20 09:14:00 - [68]
 

**** NEX

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.20 11:21:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Adonis Peverell
Linkage for statistics?


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Ramalamadindong
Posted - 2011.08.20 11:26:00 - [70]
 

Stop telling CCP how to make the NEX work. It is an abomination and should be left to rot. CCP have done a great job of making it completely useless, so let's allow them to continue.

Unless ofc people realy do want to play barbies in space.

Wu Tarot
Posted - 2011.08.20 12:16:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Wu Tarot on 20/08/2011 12:21:39
Edited by: Wu Tarot on 20/08/2011 12:21:07
Originally by: Bloodpetal
Edited by: Bloodpetal on 31/07/2011 04:25:43

I really want to see this work, but not at the current prices, and I'm strongly voicing my opinion at the perception of the pricing and its effects.


I think the aggressive advertising from CCP is pretty obviously to get things rolling when it's not moving forward. I think it's almost as though they think that the players somehow MISSED their store.

I'm sure your "metrics" are showing players aren't looking at the store enough.

I'm sure I can explain to you why I am not surprised.

Because there's nothing I can or will actually "oogle" that's in that store for the prices you have. I don't even bother looking at the new goods because I presume DE FACTO that they're prices I'm not willing to pay.

I have no doubts that I'm not the only person that does this. And I'd be surprised at why you'd be surprised at why (picks number from nether regions) 5% of the player base even bothers looking at it. On the first day that you even mention that there's new items in the store, and then never again.


Look at the rebates that people got, and I think it's getting pretty clear that their initial enthusiasm is getting readjusted.


The Rebates are an interesting thing to consider moving forward.



The Escapist Video is the most clear presentation of why the things that are being done aren't working. I'm going to refer to this era of the Nex Store as "CCP Gone Wild (Marketing School meets Real Life)"





CCP-like typing detected

however I like the comments on that link
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Except, they won't be playing at all. So the only funny is those same players who have unsubbed and will remain so until CCP stops repeating history. FYI you ****ing ******, another company also ignored their playerbase and the game's sub count dropped drastically. And that game is ending this year. Even the developers who worked on it said listen to your playerbase, it will the only one you get. Dumb ****.


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CCP is doing just fine. They are not SWG and they are keeping the game the same. Read the Dev responses.


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If you don't want vanity ****..don't buy it.. I don't get what the big deal is.. they aren't FORCING you to buy it.. holy ****.. stop whining and complaining and play the damn game.


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gives me a pretty clear idea of why the NeX store items are so expensive. CCP has for months been all about fashion. Now that is a fine thing for the WoD franchise's target audience is it much less so for EVE's audience. So while CCP has been all about "virtual fashion" and giving us "people dolls" to dress up. They seem to have lost the idea that we as players are focused on "Internet Spaceships" and the "Sandbox".



Haulin Aussie
Posted - 2011.08.20 12:44:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Aldan Romar



High Tech.

As a non-purchaser of NEX items you probably won't know that what you actually purchase is a fixed blueprint of the clothing item. As soon as you leave a pod you will nano-assemble NEX clothes around your body. To achieve a flawless assembly process these blueprints only work when they are plugged in (refered to as customization). Sadly the cybernetic structure of a capsuleer body is limited to only one set of blueprints for each body region, but to offset this they come with an inbuilt insurance option. As opposed to cybernetic implants, NEX blueprints are stored and transmitted within your brainwave pattern so they are available with a new clone. I heard they were working on jump clones as well, but I couldn't verify that first hand. I'm afraid surplus blueprints have to be transported like any other item but that still beats the standard off the rack clothing designs even with those being available any region any station...


Anecdotal I personally couldn't believe that warping through space and jumping between systems stuff at the beginning, but having witnessed it first hand I am now beginning to believe it's just some funky technology.



So this magical technology is only available for clothes, monocles, goggles, boots etc, but can't be adopted for faction and deadspace modules worth many times the price of nex items?

Stop talking bull**** because you have found a way to justify it. Just because your a sheep doesn't mean we all have to be.

Dane El
Posted - 2011.08.20 13:54:00 - [73]
 

NEX doesn't work because it sells vanity items for an avatar that's just a tiny picture in a chat box. Nobody can see your fancy boots and that monocle is just a few pixels across. If they somehow make walking in stations make your character matter, sales would probably go up. That will be a huge challenge since Eve is, and always has been, about the spaceships.

I don't forsee any version of walking in stations that will make people want to spend $ on fancy clothes for their avatar. I don't see the Eve community taking kindly to having to run around a station environment to different offices to perform the tasks we can now do from the hangar screen just so the vanity items are actually visible to others. It's a sort mini-game, minus the game part, that doesn't jive with the main game. I really don't see how CCP ever sees virtual clothing being popular; especially since there isn't even a feature in the game that will allow you to show off your snazzy boots.

Vlad Chistian
Posted - 2011.08.20 15:23:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Vlad Chistian on 20/08/2011 15:26:53
OP has got a firm grasp on the nasty end of this business, I'll just toss in my 2 cents.

First off: You've pretty much hit the nail on the head, microtransactions are not bad unless your definition of them is 'Pay2Win' (your own definition is definately not this, otherwise you'd be raving about how the whole concept of the NeX - not the pricing - beaks EVE in every regard, it doesn't).
Microtransactions are linked by the hip with micropayments. That is to say, paying small ammounts of currency for something to enhance your experience. The current NeX is anything but this - effectively selling 20$ T-shirts when the actual EVE Store sells these same shirts for about the same - sometimes less! I don't know about you guys/gals, but I'd much rather have a real T-shirt than a virtual one... Even if they do eventually after a while start to fade a bit - It's not a big deal, because I paid for it in the first place, I'm not 'renting' it from CCP like I'm paying them for the right to play their game.

The NeX is NOT, according to the above definition, a venue for EVE Microtransactions. A more accurate term would be a Ripoff (from an AUR -> USD perspective). When gaming magasines worldwide start giving you bad press for charging 70-80$ for an arceusdamned monocle, you're doing something wrong.

Now, I'm not going to rave on about how all of this is a terrible idea (OP already covered that), even the Escapist's hosted "Extra Credits" episode on Microtransactions was dedicated to CCP (in some regard).

My personal suggestions would be:
- Make it cheap (so it's actually micro on a payment scale).
- Make it desirable (make it look good, this is already somewhat there).
- Make SOME of it exclusive (not just price tags - one thing is for sure, ISK is NOT the only thing that defines your status by far. What about standings?).
- For the love of everything EVE, MARKET TEST YOUR PRODUCTS PRIOR TO RELEASING THEM (/allcaps). Seriously, that should have been a 'duh' moment.
- And in a similar state of spirit, make it destructible! If that means you have to recode the character recustomiser and the portrait system, so be it. Scale price accordingly.

Finally, why in the world is the NeX interface even more related to the stone age than the Loyalty Point store?
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Aldan Romar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.20 15:29:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Haulin Aussie
... Stop talking bull**** because you have found a way to justify it. Just because your a sheep doesn't mean we all have to be.

If someone desperately needs to have it make sense in the setting, I will explain it any way I want to.

Personally I don't care a <harsh language>. If I like what I see I buy it, regardless of whether it makes sense, breaks ingame economics or breaks the hearts of those who cannot afford it and start a whingefest about it.

Not very difficult - CCP is offering a service. If that service is to my liking I will buy it, if not, I'm obviously not the target customer group. Perhaps it's time for a shift in CCP's target customer group. Perhaps they're planning that, perhaps they don't. Maybe they'll be successfull, maybe not. I'm not entitled to their strategy matching my wants and want nots.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.21 04:43:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 21/08/2011 04:43:33
Originally by: Aldan Romar

Personally I don't care a <harsh language>. If I like what I see I buy it, regardless of whether it makes sense, breaks ingame economics or breaks the hearts of those who cannot afford it and start a whingefest about it.

Not very difficult - CCP is offering a service. If that service is to my liking I will buy it, if not, I'm obviously not the target customer group. Perhaps it's time for a shift in CCP's target customer group. Perhaps they're planning that, perhaps they don't. Maybe they'll be successfull, maybe not. I'm not entitled to their strategy matching my wants and want nots.



Let's share something about being an intelligent consumer.

And let's remember as THEIR ONLY CONSUMER BASE, how they should listen to us.

Now, maybe you're super-sweet special, but you're not 360k paying subscribers. And those 360k people are entitled to CCP's strategy matching their wants.

You don't just "change your consumer" base after operating for over 7 years in your business on a whim and some hopes and dreams.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_education


Quote:
The 8 Consumer Rights In order to safeguard consumer interest, 6 consumer rights were initially envisioned by consumer rights activists of the West, namely:

Right to Safety
Right to Information
Right to Choice
Right to be Heard

The Right to Redress
The right to consumer education



Quote:
Advantages of consumer education

Feedback for the business
Producers and sellers will not take consumers for granted
Government response
Consumer - Producer interaction



Now, thanks for being the perfect example of apathy.



Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.21 05:11:00 - [77]
 

"Let's share something about being an intelligent consumer."

i laughed so hard i think i pooped a little.
Whining to the shopkeeper? About design, about prices, about your rights? About your much vaunted intelligence, backed by f^%#in wikipedia of course, not being respected? YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY.

ITT: A small book of whine that sounds like helicity boson a bit. All het up over 'eve is dying and i know why'.

BYE.




Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.21 05:38:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 21/08/2011 05:39:53




Wikipedia is a resource, it happens to be an easy one to reference, and it also cites its own references as any good resource should.

I could have cited about another dozen pages, if you wish. I'm sure you can pay me for your college education while I'm at it.


http://www.consumered.org/
http://www.ecosensorium.org/2010/02/what-is-consumer-education-what-is-its.html
http://www.bbbconsumereducation.com/
http://www.cuestnet.com/cuanswers/ced_portal.htm


Go back to school and learn to write.



Originally by: Chopper Rollins
"Let's share something about being an intelligent consumer."

i laughed so hard i think i pooped a little.
Whining to the shopkeeper? About design, about prices, about your rights? About your much vaunted intelligence, backed by f^%#in wikipedia of course, not being respected? YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY.

ITT: A small book of whine that sounds like helicity boson a bit. All het up over 'eve is dying and i know why'.

BYE.



Aldan Romar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.21 06:22:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Aldan Romar on 21/08/2011 06:43:59

Originally by: Bloodpetal
... Now, maybe you're super-sweet special ...

I never said that. What I said was, corporations may change their business plan, and when that happens, and when your don't like that, vote with your wallet.

It's the only language a corporation will understand, if (and that's if) enough customers do the same. No amount of whinging on an internet forum will send the same message.

So just stop subscribing/buying PLEX, and if that group is in the majority, if that group produces more falloff in income than new players and the NEX produce, CCP may be bound to change their plans again.

Me personally? I happen to like the latest expansion, so I'm staying. I also happen to like what they put on the NEX, so I'm buying. And I look forward to more CQ, WIS, NEX items, DUST 514 tie ins even if all that is non-FIS content. And no, that doesn't mean I think my kind is in the majority. That's not important to me to enjoy the game.

Aldan Romar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.21 06:44:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Aldan Romar on 21/08/2011 06:53:28

Originally by: Haulin Aussie
... So this magical technology is only available for clothes, monocles, goggles, boots etc, but can't be adopted for faction and deadspace modules worth many times the price of nex items? ...
A high class jacket may cost, say €1,500. Then let's assume an ISK-€-parity. Then let's set the AUR-ISK ratio (via PLEX) to 1:100,000.

A 1,500 ISK-jacket should then cost 0.015 AUR. By it actually costing 3,500 AUR we can calculate a price modifier of about 233,333.

Now take your high class starship module which costs - help me out here - 1.5 Bil ISK? Multiply by the modifier.

So the average price of a 1.5 Bil ISK item, giving the same advantage as NEX clothing would be about 350,000,000,000,000 ISK (or 3,500,000,000 AUR if presented in the NEX - roughly €20,000,000).

edit: miscalculated by factor 1,000...

Wu Tarot
Posted - 2011.08.21 06:45:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Wu Tarot on 21/08/2011 06:48:12
Quote:

Wikipedia is a resource


Go back to school and learn to write.




Go back to work, dont you an your colleagues have bug fixes to work on? That you Hilmar?
Remember, SOE knew better than the fans what was good for SWG as well. You should LEARN from that mistake dont repest it.

Yes, wikipedia is an easy to find resource, but if you reference it in an online argument its a "this is why you fail" type moment. Then again, wining an argument online is kinda like winning the special olympics. You won, but youre still that kind of special. And for all the arguing we've seen you do, we already know youre THAT kind of special lol

Originally by: Aldan Romar

So the average price of a 1.5 Bil ISK item, giving the same advantage as NEX clothing would be about 350,000,000,000 ISK (or 3,500,000 AUR if presented in the NEX - roughly €20,000).


Gives new real world meaning to the value of a Titan doesnt it? an at that point I have to lol @ the ppl tha want this stuff destructable. You have $20,000 to literallt rip up and throw away, ill give you my address.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.21 06:50:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Wu Tarot

Go back to work, dont you an your colleagues have bug fixes to work on? That you Hilmar?



Are you people ill?


Really?


I'm sitting here attacking CCP for the NEX store and you're saying I'm CCP Hilmar? Rofl.



Go back to school and learn to read.


Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:01:00 - [83]
 

Yeah? 'Go back to school and...' is the sound of someone failing under pressure. Thanks for coming though, even though you turned to the finest powder when the going got rough.
Only your money talks, consumers don't have rights, they have choice. Or rather, they have as much rights and choice as their money can enforce.

lol 'school'


Because Of Door
Posted - 2011.08.21 12:58:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
I've recently begun playing World of Tanks. It's mindless fun and all, and even if someone paid oodles of money on in-game gold to buy a tank I don't care much if he blows me up, since even a defeat earns me money. And if I were to invest some RL cash into tanks (I haven't yet, read about some outrageous prices there as well but haven't done the maths yet) it's at least something I can show others and shoot them into the face with it.

What's a monocle compared to a fun little engine of destruction?

Oh well. See you in Malinovka or so Very Happy


Was in WoT closed beta for over a year, and the game has barely moved on in all the time since I started playing (I still think the basic idea is great, they just haven't a clue how to do it). In a year they have added a few new tanks, NO new game modes (so it's still random team death-match for 90% of players, clan wars is absolutely terrible) and completely messed up their in-game economy with nonsense pricing on gold tanks and ammo. Unfortunately, it looks like CCCP took a few ideas from them (which didn't work there either) and tried them here with equal results. $70 for a cash-cow tank, $1 for a reload of gold ammo, LOL, no thanks.

WoT is fun to play for about an hour, then you just notice the idiotic game mechanics that haven't improved at all, terrible game-balance, terrible double-grind, terrible match-making, terrible maps, and I stop and go back to RL.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.21 15:38:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Bloodpetal on 21/08/2011 15:40:04

Originally by: Chopper Rollins
Yeah? 'Go back to school and...' is the sound of someone failing under pressure. Thanks for coming though, even though you turned to the finest powder when the going got rough.
Only your money talks, consumers don't have rights, they have choice. Or rather, they have as much rights and choice as their money can enforce.

lol 'school'





Yes, your mastery of the English Language and your ability to communicate with perfectly clear intention has me buckling under pressure - my heart is beating, my skin is sweating. I simply can't stand to be in the presence of such a stellar creature of incomprehensible awe.

Thanks for gracing my thread with your presence.

</sarcasm> (just in case you missed it.)


Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.21 15:44:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Because Of Door

Was in WoT closed beta for over a year, and the game has barely moved on in all the time since I started playing (I still think the basic idea is great, they just haven't a clue how to do it). In a year they have added a few new tanks, NO new game modes (so it's still random team death-match for 90% of players, clan wars is absolutely terrible) and completely messed up their in-game economy with nonsense pricing on gold tanks and ammo. Unfortunately, it looks like CCCP took a few ideas from them (which didn't work there either) and tried them here with equal results. $70 for a cash-cow tank, $1 for a reload of gold ammo, LOL, no thanks.

WoT is fun to play for about an hour, then you just notice the idiotic game mechanics that haven't improved at all, terrible game-balance, terrible double-grind, terrible match-making, terrible maps, and I stop and go back to RL.



Thanks for your insight.


I really haven't tried WOT. I almost did, but I just couldn't bear to make the download when it came down to it.


It's interesting to see how the system has (not) developed according to you. Although CCP is not WOT - it is probably important that they see this perspective.


Do you know if WOT communicates with its community of gamers on what they're planning on developing?

Zenith Intaki
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2011.08.21 16:12:00 - [87]
 

Someone needs ISK and has real money.

Someone has ISK and wants stuff from NeX.

What's the ****ing problem here?


If CCP would have wanted maximum volume for NeX stuff, they would have priced them like 0.20 cents each with instant charge-my-visa button next to each item.

Now it's much better, most buyers are using using ISK to get NeX stuff.

And the best part is the tears of these whiners, who can't afford NeX items with ISK or real cash Laughing Laughing Laughing

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.21 16:12:00 - [88]
 

"Do you know if WOT communicates with its community of gamers on what they're planning on developing?"

This entitled tone is both disturbing and amusing...continue.


Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.22 18:52:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Chopper Rollins
"Do you know if WOT communicates with its community of gamers on what they're planning on developing?"

This entitled tone is both disturbing and amusing...continue.




I pay for a product.

That entitles me to something.


I also happen to live in a country where I can speak freely. I also happen to be using one of the most liberal and open forums in the MMO gaming industry.


I also happen to be dealing with a Company that has CONSISTENTLY AND REPEATEDLY stated its inentions to have its Customers be a relevant part of their decision making.

To the point that they consider their CUSTOMERS a pertinent "Shareholder" in their development cycle that helps them prioritize their goals and ambitions.


That is what is great about CCP.


There should be nothing "disturbing" about anything going on here, but I do find it "amusing" that you would think so little of yourself and your opinion. Alternately, you think that our opinions clearly don't matter - at which point I'm glad that you're not CCP, or working for CCP, and I'm sure that you're not going to care either way what they do since you don't believe you have any "entitlement" for what you do with the time and money that you earn.




Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.22 18:58:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Zenith Intaki

Now it's much better, most buyers are using using ISK to get NeX stuff.

And the best part is the tears of these whiners, who can't afford NeX items with ISK or real cash Laughing Laughing Laughing



You don't know anything about me or my in game or real life assets. You can continue to make an ass of yourself for pretending you know anything about me or the other people on this thread.



If most people are using ISK, then where's the evidence of that? PLEX hasn't gone up in price nor has volume traded gone up, CCP stated that out right clearly.

So if PLEX Isn't in higher demand, then are there less people using PLEX? There should be MORE people using PLEX.


So either the amount of people buying PLEX is in proportion to the amount of people who stopped playing the game that were using PLEX, or people aren't really using PLEX or ISK to use the NEX store.


MOST LIKELY, the people who already buy PLEX are the people using REAL money to buy NEX items.


OR, there are so few people buying PLEX to use the NEX store that shows how apathetic the average EVE Player is.


Simply put, there is no clear sign that people are using ISK to buy PLEX to use the NEX store. Not in a sufficient quantity to indicate people are actually interested enough on the scale of the AVERAGE player.


But as was stated, the NEX store isn't for the average player. So, I'm sure CCP should be really proud about empowering and creating a feature that is not designed for their average player, although its whole purpose is to market and generate interest in a part of the game that is hardly complete.






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