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Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.07.30 18:15:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Zarnak Wulf on 30/07/2011 18:16:14
Since ship rebalancing is FINALLY in progress I will bring Assault Frigates back out of the closet again. The best fix IMHO would be the simplest one. All AF should get the following:
Role Bonus: Armor/ Shield resists originally listed as a fourth bonus. This is because other T2 frigates don’t get this AND to head off the whole “They have a fourth bonus already” argument.

Obviously Need Help:
  • Wolf: Change from a 5-2-4 configuration to a 5-3-3. Give a 7.5% tracking bonus per level.
  • Retribution: Change from a 5-1-5 configuration to 5-2-4. Give 5% armor bonus per level.
  • Enyo: Change from a 5-2-4 configuration to a 5-3-3. Give another 5% damage per level bonus.


The goal of these ships is high damage. Yet in their original setup you trade traits of the original T1 frigate (mid slots) to gain that high DPS. This restores the flavor of say, the rifter, while maintaining the Wolf’s damage potential. The missing frigate bonuses are the obvious part.

Less Obvious but Still Easy:
  • Jaguar: Give a 7.5% tracking bonus per level.
  • Harpy: Give 5% shield resists per level.


Again, the goal is giving back original T1 frigate bonuses.

Very Different :

Ishkur, Hawk, Vengeance.
I won’t make recommendations for these ships as I haven’t flow them and can’t speak to what they’re lacking.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.30 18:17:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Zarnak Wulf



I agree.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.30 18:17:00 - [3]
 

Or you can edit it in :|

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.07.30 18:18:00 - [4]
 

The mouse. It confounds me sometimes. Embarassed

Nikuno
Posted - 2011.07.30 18:35:00 - [5]
 

leave the enyo slot configuration alone Evil or Very Mad

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.07.30 19:04:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Nikuno
leave the enyo slot configuration alone Evil or Very Mad


Two mid slot blaster boat. Riiiiiight. Rolling Eyes

Nikuno
Posted - 2011.07.31 07:38:00 - [7]
 

Better than 3 slots for tank and gank.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.31 10:39:00 - [8]
 

Why dumb down the game when it is not needed?

There is nothing wrong with Matar having a shield and an armour ship.
Retribution is just fine without tackle, no reason to pigeon hole it into the boring buffer paradigm.
Enyo is better served with high->mid, possibly with a reduction in mounts + increase in damage bonus (to keep nos option).

Persoanlly don't want them to be bog standard mini HACs as they will be trumped by cruisers any day of the week.
Would much rather see them with out-of-the-box bonuses such as one having ganglink ability and the other RR bonuses (or similar non-HAC thingies)


Medidranda Livoga
Posted - 2011.07.31 10:46:00 - [9]
 

Assault ships are just another ship type that are superceded by other ships in vast majority of cases. Unless you can come up with more roles for them you will simply displace other ships by buffing them. Might sound crazy, but I think EVE already has too many ships. Evil or Very Mad

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.07.31 13:11:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Medidranda Livoga
Assault ships are just another ship type that are superceded by other ships in vast majority of cases. Unless you can come up with more roles for them you will simply displace other ships by buffing them. Might sound crazy, but I think EVE already has too many ships. Evil or Very Mad


That's the problem most MMO's face. Vets need new stuff but it imbalances the old. I proposed these changes because I felt they would bring the ships up to par without rocking the boat excessively. Other ships can do the AF role but that doesn't change the fact that with they are alot of fun, even needing just a bit more love.

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Retribution is just fine without tackle, no reason to pigeon hole it into the boring buffer paradigm.



No. Just... no.Neutral

Erim Solfara
Amarr
inFluX.
Posted - 2011.08.01 01:22:00 - [11]
 

I've always thought the Retribution is the best compliment to the Vengeance, I really REALLY want to find a pilot to fly the pair with me. Get the vengeance to grab and hold prey, and let the retri do the meltin'...

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.08.01 11:57:00 - [12]
 

It would be nice to have retribution that is able to capture an enemy. IMHO no ship in eve should have less then two mid slots.

Iggy Stooge
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.08.01 12:13:00 - [13]
 

I fly a Wolf, and would love to fit a web on it, but hey, I've got a Jag for that, so no. AF's come up a lot as needing rebalancing, but my view is they are fine, and I flt and fight AF's a lot.

Only exception would be the Retribution, which does need a mid for tackle. Thats a strange anomlaly.

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:48:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Iggy Stooge
I fly a Wolf, and would love to fit a web on it, but hey, I've got a Jag for that, so no. AF's come up a lot as needing rebalancing, but my view is they are fine, and I flt and fight AF's a lot.



They are just a bit away from being really great. Small rigs helped. The web nerf helped. I would honestly be happy if I could get the tracking bonus put onto the wolf/jaguar. Having something that resembles the rifter it's based on would be a bonus.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.08.01 14:46:00 - [15]
 

There is no simple to it to be honest as this requires checks and balances to prevent the risk of over use verse under use, right now EW frigates are much higher on the to do list than AF4th bonus becuase EW frigates are nto particularly used often.


 

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