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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:09:00 - [31]
 

The problem here is people griefing new players by creating corps which are unable to organise and defend themselves.

Therefore my counter-proposal is that creating a corp should require Corp management 5 and cost 100M ISK

Mothazar
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:34:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Mothazar on 31/07/2011 22:39:28
Originally by: Malcanis
The problem here is people griefing new players by creating corps which are unable to organise and defend themselves.

Therefore my counter-proposal is that creating a corp should require Corp management 5 and cost 100M ISK



http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=42724

Malcanis is a good example of possible killboard exploitation. Either that or hes the luckiest guy ever.

I can see why you would be against raising prices for wardecs

Lakitel
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:47:00 - [33]
 

Well, either way I definitely support this. I can see this helping a pant-load of people. Sure a few greifers and easy-streeters might get annoyed by it, but if they wanted no challenge what so ever, they can go play WoW.

Mothazar
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:57:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Mothazar on 31/07/2011 23:02:15
Originally by: Lakitel
Well, either way I definitely support this. I can see this helping a pant-load of people. Sure a few greifers and easy-streeters might get annoyed by it, but if they wanted no challenge what so ever, they can go play WoW.


Ty for the support. I have yet to see a actual counter argument besides the usual toll bs. I welcome a well thought out counter-perspective besides "GO PLAY WOW". Idiocy seems to be prevalent in these counter arguments. Actually no-one has addressed the issue. I assume yall know its BS

I am supporting my own topic because of the lack of a counter-argument

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:00:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Lady Spank on 31/07/2011 23:03:55
How exactly does 'wardeccing noobs' exploit killboards?

Why is it such a huge issue that it needs to affect a widespread practice?

1. How do you imagine this will increase PVP in low and null sec? People that want to be in those area's already ARE, furthermore 0.0 alliances still get wardecced to pick off high-sec stragglers. The only people truly immune to player initiated wardecs are pirate corporations who can be shot by anyone regardless of Concord sanctions, or those in NPC corps, including FW corps.

Ramping up the price of war does nothing but sink more isk for the agressors, it will not make them move to low/null since their targets are in high-sec. If you respond "no well they should", you are missing the point that they want to kill those that think they have a right to immunity. Whether you think this is 'fair' or not is irrelevant. Anyone that doesn't want to be on the receiving end of a wardec can drop corp and be as safe as they were before war was declared. You forefeit the right to be in a corporation and develop a name. Can't fight for it? Don't deserve it.

2. Are noobs incapable of avoiding wardecs?

3. Eve does NOT need to be 'more inviting' to new players. As it is at present, noobs can remain in NPC corps until they are ready to enter a corporation. If they keep their mouths shut and don't stick out it's unlikely they will get wardecced anyway. If you DO get wardecced and go out and have 'all your **** blown up by some ******* that you have utterly no chance against' then it's your own fault for flying 'all your ****' while knowingly being in a state of war. Again, if you can't handle a war, you can drop to an NPC corp, THEREFORE YOUR ENTIRE REASON FOR THIS PROPOSAL IS NULLIFIED.

4. Who gives a crap about killboards. They are external to the game. How exactly is their 'exploitation' damaging to the game? People like Lukka who get to number 1 in battleclinic through cheap game mechanics are known for what they are and it has zero bearing on the actual game.

I have addressed your 'points' in full since you can't understand that players have all the tools they need to circumvent any issues you have raised.

Feel free to refute any of these, and please try to do a better job than claim I am trolling. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see that I am not.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:03:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Wardec fees are a nominal isk sink and should not be increased just because you are risk averse crybabies.

I find it eminently amusing that wannabe pirates, like you, dare talk about 'risk aversion' when your own set of balls is so small that you cry foul when your successful act of 'bravery' (= deccing noob high-sec corps) is being threatened by a nerf. If you're such a big badass, then hightail your sorry ass to lowsec, pronto, and fight people who can actually fight back, you pansy!

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:06:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Lady Spank on 31/07/2011 23:08:23
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Lady Spank
Wardec fees are a nominal isk sink and should not be increased just because you are risk averse crybabies.

I find it eminently amusing that wannabe pirates, like you, dare talk about 'risk aversion' when your own set of balls is so small that you cry foul when your successful act of 'bravery' (= deccing noob high-sec corps) is being threatened by a nerf. If you're such a big badass, then hightail your sorry ass to lowsec, pronto, and fight people who can actually fight back, you pansy!


I already do pew pew in low sec. I can barely enter high-sec. Thanks for showing your incompetence to everyone.


Furthermore, I am not crying foul, I am pointing out how naive and poorly set out this proposal is. The whole thing needs to be rethought if the intention is purely to help nurture noobs into the game because at present is it a huge change to wardecs across the board when the entire issue can be easily avoided by player action.

Mothazar
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:20:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Mothazar on 31/07/2011 23:23:30
Edited by: Mothazar on 31/07/2011 23:20:44
Originally by: Lady Spank
Edited by: Lady Spank on 31/07/2011 23:01:34
How exactly does 'wardeccing noobs' exploit killboards?

Why is it such a huge issue that it needs to affect a widespread practice?


1. How do you imagine this will increase PVP in low and null sec? People that want to be in those area's already ARE, furthermore 0.0 alliances still get wardecced to pick off high-sec stragglers. The only people truly immune to player initiated wardecs are pirate corporations who can be shot by anyone regardless of Concord sanctions, or those in NPC corps, including FW corps.

Ramping up the price of war does nothing but sink more isk for the agressors, it will not make them move to low/null since their targets are in high-sec. If you respond "no well they should", you are missing the point that they want to kill those that think they have a right to immunity. Whether you think this is 'fair' or not is irrelevant. Anyone that doesn't want to be on the receiving end of a wardec can drop corp and be as safe as they were before war was declared. You forefeit the right to be in a corporation and develop a name. Can't fight for it? Don't deserve it.

2. Are noobs incapable of avoiding wardecs?

3. Eve does NOT need to be 'more inviting' to new players. As it is at present, noobs can remain in NPC corps until they are ready to enter a corporation. If they keep their mouths shut and don't stick out it's unlikely they will get wardecced anyway. If you DO get wardecced and go out and have 'all your **** blown up by some ******* that you have utterly no chance against' then it's your own fault for flying 'all your ****' while knowingly being in a state of war. Again, if you can't handle a war, you can drop to an NPC corp, THEREFORE YOUR ENTIRE REASON FOR THIS PROPOSAL IS NULLIFIED.

4. Who gives a crap about killboards. They are external to the game. How exactly is their 'exploitation' damaging to the game? People like Lukka who get to number 1 in battleclinic through cheap game mechanics are known for what they are.

I have addressed your 'points' in full since you can't understand that players have all the tools they need to circumvent any issues you have raised.

Feel free to refute any of these, and please try to do a better job than claim I am trolling. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see that I am not.



TY for an actual response. You are twisting my words but w/e I'll take what I can get.

I will answer this in the same format you provided me with answers

1. I assumed this was obvious. The players that sit in high sec blowing up noobs/miners/etc... will not have such an attractive easy way to gain kills and isk by griefing easy targets. This is not about a player trying to be high and mighty in high sec. this is about making players like lukka have a harder time justifying keeping wardec on certain newb corps up for months and months until they destroy corp make people quit thus hurting retention and eve in a whole. It will allow wardecs to happen still but it makes it less attractive. This is an obvious exploit to say it isn't is complete bull.

2. Not the point of the thread

3. In any business model retention of your customers is of the highest importance. Unless you are interested in killing this game, and by other posts I can see you aren't too happy with this game, then go ahead grief new players. Examples have been given in previous posts in this thread and links have been provided in eve forums detailing wardec happenings and the effect it has on new players.

4. If you don't care about killboards then fine but some do. No matter what happens when you kill a player it is logged on your account .

Maybe you are out of touch with what a new players experience is like but I can assure you you had a much easier time then the new players today. Again thank you for an actual response!


Mothazar
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:28:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Mothazar on 31/07/2011 23:37:39
really?

Mothazar
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:36:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Mothazar on 31/07/2011 23:47:11
Originally by: Lady Spank
Edited by: Lady Spank on 31/07/2011 23:08:23
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Lady Spank
Wardec fees are a nominal isk sink and should not be increased just because you are risk averse crybabies.

I find it eminently amusing that wannabe pirates, like you, dare talk about 'risk aversion' when your own set of balls is so small that you cry foul when your successful act of 'bravery' (= deccing noob high-sec corps) is being threatened by a nerf. If you're such a big badass, then hightail your sorry ass to lowsec, pronto, and fight people who can actually fight back, you pansy!


I already do pew pew in low sec. I can barely enter high-sec. Thanks for showing your incompetence to everyone.


Furthermore, I am not crying foul, I am pointing out how naive and poorly set out this proposal is. The whole thing needs to be rethought if the intention is purely to help nurture noobs into the game because at present is it a huge change to wardecs across the board when the entire issue can be easily avoided by player action.


FFS THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NURTURING NUBS RE-READ IF YOU HAVE TO. IT IS A FIX FOR AN OBVIOUS EXPLOIT.



You still haven't addressed the issue you just are tip-toeing around it and changing it for your benefit. I know this game Ive played it before.

And BTW I go out on roams almost daily. I am not a bear I pvp If you keep up the insults I'm gonna have to ask you where your bridge is

g0ldfinger07
Posted - 2011.08.01 06:53:00 - [41]
 

War Decs are a part of this game they should be lower than they are now a corp can only dec 3 corps at a given time at 2 million a pop then x the # of decs if i am incorrect correct me so thats only 3 corps at a time.

If your in an alliance its 50m a pop to as many as you would like and then X that # of corps/alliances.

It adds up fast and if you don't like being dec'd Go to an NPC corp or switch corps make a new corp with a new ceo if you cant maintain and withstand with your oorp due to constant harassment you are probably an ******* and deserve the harassment eve is not a friendly place nor should it be made more friendly l2p or gtfo.

Mothazar
Posted - 2011.08.01 07:26:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Mothazar on 01/08/2011 07:57:35
Edited by: Mothazar on 01/08/2011 07:57:11
Originally by: g0ldfinger07
War Decs are a part of this game they should be lower than they are now a corp can only dec 3 corps at a given time at 2 million a pop then x the # of decs if i am incorrect correct me so thats only 3 corps at a time.

If your in an alliance its 50m a pop to as many as you would like and then X that # of corps/alliances.

It adds up fast and if you don't like being dec'd Go to an NPC corp or switch corps make a new corp with a new ceo if you cant maintain and withstand with your oorp due to constant harassment you are probably an ******* and deserve the harassment eve is not a friendly place nor should it be made more friendly l2p or gtfo.


Another great example of the lack of understanding a player has on his/her actions and how it effects a gaming community and the lack of pirates comprehension in general. So basically you are saying you want to wardec more nub corps for more easy kills and 12 mil a month is alot to you.....

At no point was I stating that its hard to avoid wardecs. l2readtrd


"Fail is as fail does....." Forest Gamer




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