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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:28:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Caleidascope
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
That may be the case, but stating unequivocally they do not desire a state is obviously false.

It is tricky. The basic thing is that Palestinian situation was manufactured. Look at Jordan. They live in the same area. Do the same things. Fought Israel like the rest of "Palestinians". Yet, they have their country, had it for decades now. So why the rest of so called "Palestinians" do not have their own country? Who is stopping them? The answer, they are stopping themselves, like Alex inferred.


I agree, it is tricky, but I disagree with this black and white picture. It's no simple matter of them stopping themselves. You have the combined forces of Israeli expansion, Arab nationalism, Palestinian military powers continually influencing their politics, as well as foreign meddeling in the whole ordeal to create the situation on the ground. I think if you asked level-headed and peaceful people of Isreal and Palestinian descent they would agree there has to be a compromise in which both parties are free to self-govern, but that diologue is drowned out.

I think it's tragic for both parties, but it really is not fair to say "they're doing it to themselves." The party with the upper-hand always makes the first move toward diplomacy and it's clear that Isreal is not yet ready to extend any such negotiating terms. Furthermore, the wall project is simply making matters much much worse.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.01 03:53:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 01/08/2011 05:12:10
Dear Caleidascope you are a very smart person and a very good writer. You managed to put into few words the essence of my communication to Nimrod. Thank you very much.

When Arafat was still alive Israel at one point agreed to all of his demands except "refugee return" and capital in Jerusalem(these people are not refugees, vast majority born in arab countries and he demanded "refugees return" not to State of Palestine but State of Israel which would be the end of Israel. As for capital city I doubt USA would agree to share it's capital city with let's say Mexico). Arafat rejected the proposal and blamed Israel.

To prove anything to Nimrod about Israel is waste of time. I tried to do that in many posts with facts but he is as any anti-semitic sick person stick to his implifications and manage to pervert factual data and lie as he please in a lot of times using data that been proved false and also manage to kick Israel in a lot of posts that not connected to Israel in any way shape or form. Such people does not care about facts but use language acrobatics to pervert factual data as they please. It's waste of time to prove something to him.

Dear CCP moderators if you would be so kind as to notice Nimrod Nemesis behavior please note that no intervention on such matters look real bad for CCP. No respected company allow such things on it's forums. It's very bad for reputation and marketing. Free speech and free hate are different things.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.01 05:11:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 01/08/2011 05:27:17
LOL

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.01 05:27:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 02/08/2011 17:27:57
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When Arafat was still alive Israel at one point agreed to all of his demands except "refugee return" and capital in Jerusalem(these people are not refugees, vast majority born in arab countries and he demanded "refugees return" not to State of Palestine but State of Israel which would be the end of Israel. As for capital city I doubt USA would agree to share it's capital city with let's say Mexico). Arafat rejected the proposal and blamed Israel.


Arafat is dead and it's time to move on. You do want peace... right?

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Such people does not care about facts but use language acrobatics to pervert factual data as they please. It's waste of time to prove something to him.


I dearly hope you're just ignorant and not willfully trying to silence the voice of reason. Human rights violations, the horror of expansion and occupation, war crimes in gaza. These are international websites without the pro-palestinian bias you might suspect. Come up with a counter-argument for this that dispells all my "lies and lack of facts," and i'll gladly point you to a dozen more ongoing investigations.

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Dear CCP moderators if you would be so kind as to notice Nimrod Nemesis behavior please note that no intervention on such matters look real bad for CCP. No respected company allow such things on it's forums. It's very bad for reputation and marketing. Free speech and free hate are different things.


LOL

You know you've lost an argument when you appeal to the moderates to censor your opponent.

PS. אני עברית

And i'm ashamed of those replies, they simply do not do this debate justice.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.01 05:48:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis

LOL

You know you've lost an argument when you appeal to the moderates to censor your opponent.


You use sites and "news" that known and proven to be false and/or biased. I already sent you links and data in previous posts in other topics and wont do that again. Your tactics are type of these used by "professional foreign-policy" groups in normal language called trolls. Lies and perverted facts or no facts at all and just loud lies. The louder the better. Nearly all of your links date to 2009 when world was fooled by "pro-palestinian" movements which later been admitted by news corporations and even such organization as United Nations with it's Goldstein committee head admitting "inconsistencies" in its report and apologizing for it.

There are no discussion with you. You stubbornly stay on your grounds disregarding any facts and incite hatred as usual. Did you notice that this thread is not about Israel but about China? Why you kicked Israel in that topic? Why not North Korea, Iran, Pakistan? Why kicking democratic state in topic which have no connection to it at all? You do that in many topics. And always kick one country. Israel.

There may not be any discussion with you. And request for moderators is not to close the thread but to look into your behavior concerning incitement of hate and anti-semitic bias of yours.

I am not going to argue with someone who does not hear the opponent and I already wasted too much of my time on you. Which again return us to Bane excellent words about discussion with you Nimrod. I sign under every word of his below:

I sense you just want to deny it all as quickly and easily as possible.

Anyway. I'm not going to continue being reasonable with someone who never progressed beyond playground arguments.

Good day, sir.

Hoya en Marland
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:26:00 - [96]
 

So called "professional foreign-policy" groups are just cheap (ok, perhaps not that cheap) political *****s who will do everything for whoever offers them more. I know some of these working in my country - they are the worst kind of scum.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:27:00 - [97]
 

I just read thread title as "Chribba is going to laugh..."

I'm playing too much EVE Razz

Zagam
Posted - 2011.08.01 14:21:00 - [98]
 

China's already laughing at us, since they have the largest share of foreign-owned US debt, AND are a linchpin to our economy. If any single entity wanted to completely destroy the US economy, China is in the best position to do so.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.08.01 14:48:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Zagam
China's already laughing at us, since they have the largest share of foreign-owned US debt, AND are a linchpin to our economy. If any single entity wanted to completely destroy the US economy, China is in the best position to do so.


And they will completely destroy themselves by doing it as the US are the biggest consumer of the Chinese goods.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.08.01 15:09:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Roosterton on 01/08/2011 15:11:15
Quote:
I tried to do that in many posts with facts but he is as any anti-semitic sick person stick to his implifications and manage to pervert factual data and lie as he please in a lot of times using data that been proved false and also manage to kick Israel in a lot of posts that not connected to Israel in any way shape or form. Such people does not care about facts but use language acrobatics to pervert factual data as they please. It's waste of time to prove something to him.


...What? Anti-semitism is the hatred of Jews because they are Jews, and the hatred of Israel because it is inhabited by Jews. Nowhere in any of Nimrods posts have I seen either of that, he is just presenting a logical argument about the future of Israel as a nation.

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You use sites and "news" that known and proven to be false and/or biased.


So The Guardian is biased now? What's fair and unbiased, Fox "News"? Rolling Eyes

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.01 16:23:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 01/08/2011 16:42:14
Originally by: Roosterton
Edited by: Roosterton on 01/08/2011 15:11:15
Quote:
I tried to do that in many posts with facts but he is as any anti-semitic sick person stick to his implifications and manage to pervert factual data and lie as he please in a lot of times using data that been proved false and also manage to kick Israel in a lot of posts that not connected to Israel in any way shape or form. Such people does not care about facts but use language acrobatics to pervert factual data as they please. It's waste of time to prove something to him.


...What? Anti-semitism is the hatred of Jews because they are Jews, and the hatred of Israel because it is inhabited by Jews. Nowhere in any of Nimrods posts have I seen either of that, he is just presenting a logical argument about the future of Israel as a nation.

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You use sites and "news" that known and proven to be false and/or biased.


So The Guardian is biased now? What's fair and unbiased, Fox "News"? Rolling Eyes


Oh dear, someone else with an objective opinion. I fear this thread may implode.

Originally by: Alex Sinai
You use sites and "news" that known and proven to be false and/or biased. I already sent you links and data in previous posts in other topics and wont do that again. Your tactics are type of these used by "professional foreign-policy" groups in normal language called trolls. Lies and perverted facts or no facts at all and just loud lies. The louder the better. Nearly all of your links date to 2009 when world was fooled by "pro-palestinian" movements which later been admitted by news corporations and even such organization as United Nations with it's Goldstein committee head admitting "inconsistencies" in its report and apologizing for it.


Actually I didn't. You can run them by Mossad if you don't believe me. They're not only unbiased, but in general they report pro-israeli. 2009 wasn't the only year in question and I took a very small sample. If you'd like I can drum up a few stories for each year and we can go from there? I am not aware of these "inconsistencies," that you're alluding to. Perhaps you could shed some light on that from an equally unbiased source?

Originally by: Alex Sinai

There are no discussion with you. You stubbornly stay on your grounds disregarding any facts and incite hatred as usual. Did you notice that this thread is not about Israel but about China? Why you kicked Israel in that topic? Why not North Korea, Iran, Pakistan? Why kicking democratic state in topic which have no connection to it at all? You do that in many topics. And always kick one country. Israel.


I think we've mentioned all of those countries in passing by now. The only reason we've been stuck on Israel for three pages now is because you saw fit to call my first mention of it "anti-semitic" and furthermore accuse me of mis-stating fact. I am not one to simply sit by while someone distorts the truth and if you were a holocaust denyer I would expend the same ammount of effort to prove you wrong. I am not expressing my opinions to slander your state. I'm informing you that there is another reality outside of the propaganda.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

There may not be any discussion with you. And request for moderators is not to close the thread but to look into your behavior concerning incitement of hate and anti-semitic bias of yours.


I challenge you to find anything anti-semitic in any of my posts. I am not against the existence of Israel, nor am I against it's people, nor have I even once stated anything but an objective opinion. You, on the other hand, have suggested palestinians are only interested in money, don't want a state, and simply want to hurt Isrealis. That may be true of Arafat, and of the few who advocate violence, but it is not a fair description of an entire people. You have made biased hateful/racist opinions known to this forum. So I invite you to learn from those mistakes and stop posting.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.01 16:27:00 - [102]
 


Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:34:00 - [103]
 

Did Capitalism turn out to be the far greater enemy to itself.

Does something feel like a pyrrhic victory ?

Find out in our next installment, about ten years from now.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:56:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Something Random
Did Capitalism turn out to be the far greater enemy to itself.

Does something feel like a pyrrhic victory ?

Find out in our next installment, about ten years from now.


Do you know any alternative to capitalism? Do you think that what we have now in China is socialism?
Capitalism is natural, it's in the human instincts, although we can argue about the level of state provided social safety net. Socialism is unnatural and can only be enforced by brutal oppressive system - that's exactly what we saw in a Soviet block.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.01 20:01:00 - [105]
 

To Bane on his comment about thinking China would be happy if they got some of their cities nuked as it would help clear some of their population. Unfortunately the areas that China would want to be nuked to diminish population are in their western territories. The US, which would not preemptively strike, would target their most integral cities to nuke, and I guarantee those would not be the areas that China would want to be targeted to diminish their population Wink

Originally by: Roosterton

...What? Anti-Semitism is the hatred of Jews because they are Jews, and the hatred of Israel because it is inhabited by Jews. Nowhere in any of Nimrods posts have I seen either of that, he is just presenting a logical argument about the future of Israel as a nation.
Rolling Eyes


I just want to point out that the common held belief that anti-Semitism is hatred against Jews is a misnomer.

Semiti - a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs

People should just start saying Anti-Jew

To further my point.

"The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time. Although this term now has wide currency, it is a misnomer, since it implies a discrimination against all Semites. Arabs and other peoples are also Semites, and yet they are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. The term is especially inappropriate as a label for the anti-Jewish prejudices, statements, or actions of Arabs or other Semites. **** anti-Semitism, which culminated in the Holocaust, had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were converts. This variety of anti-Jewish racism dates only to the emergence of so-called “scientific racism” in the 19th century and is different in nature from earlier anti-Jewish prejudices."


Slade

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.08.01 21:54:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon

I just want to point out that the common held belief that anti-Semitism is hatred against Jews is a misnomer.

Semiti - a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs

People should just start saying Anti-Jew

To further my point.

"The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time. Although this term now has wide currency, it is a misnomer, since it implies a discrimination against all Semites. Arabs and other peoples are also Semites, and yet they are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. The term is especially inappropriate as a label for the anti-Jewish prejudices, statements, or actions of Arabs or other Semites. **** anti-Semitism, which culminated in the Holocaust, had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were converts. This variety of anti-Jewish racism dates only to the emergence of so-called “scientific racism” in the 19th century and is different in nature from earlier anti-Jewish prejudices."


Slade



English is not a static language. Whatever the term meant in 1879, it currently is common usage for hatred of Jews. Go ask 10 random people "What is the term used to describe hatred of Jews" and I expect you will get a solid majority.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.01 22:00:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Jno Aubrey


English is not a static language. Whatever the term meant in 1879, it currently is common usage for hatred of Jews. Go ask 10 random people "What is the term used to describe hatred of Jews" and I expect you will get a solid majority.


Very true, but the word semite still means what it is supposed to and considering the origination of the term anti-semetic, I would say that those that are informed should do their best to use it properly and point out the error of the usage when it occurs. But you are free to do what you want.


Slade

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.08.02 02:20:00 - [108]
 

Actually, Wikipedia addresses that:

"Despite the use of the prefix anti-, the terms Semitic and anti-Semitic are not directly opposed to each other. Antisemitism refers specifically to prejudice against Jews alone and in general,[4][5] despite the fact that there are other speakers of Semitic languages (e.g. Arabs, Ethiopians, or Assyrians) and that not all Jews speak a Semitic language.
The term anti-Semitic has been used on occasion to include bigotry against other Semitic-language peoples such as Arabs, but such usage is not widely accepted."

Regardless, you still get my meaning. Razz

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.02 04:41:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 02/08/2011 04:42:30
What a long post by Nimrod :D
What was I saying about language acrobatics a few posts above?
A perfect example of such. :-)
Thanks Nimrod for proving my point.

Nimrod also unaware of a few "inconsistencies". How funny especially that I sent him quite a number of links in other posts when he kicked Israel for nothing and got my immediate response in other thread. Goldstone admit wrong accusations
It's interesting he want more links. To contradict it with more of his fake/biased links. I already said i wont waste any more of my time on "professional foreign-policy" group member. Actually you could call it a bit different. Member of "information warfare group". That would reflect his goals much better.
So why waste time on a liar since it's already clear who he is. It is just unfortunate we have such "members" in EVE forums. I was under impression game forums clear of such "people".

And someone please could you be so kind to explain to Nimrod meaning of word propaganda and may be hint him that it's not exactly applicable to any of democratic states since freedom of expression exist in each and every of them.

Another exemplary note of Nimrod's use of "information warfare group" (lets call it its true meaning won't we?) tactic and language acrobatic is Nimrod calling Israel "my state". Hey smart boy did I ever in any of my post informed you or gave any information that it is my state? No i did not. Why you call Israel my state? Who gave you that right? Defending Israel not automatically mean it is my state and you very well know it. So buddy I can safely assume your state is Palestinian based on your assumptions of naming my state.

Guardian newspaper unbiased... oh i can't stop laughing at that. Thanks for a good joke man! Laughing

Oh Nimrod suggests that I stop posting. LOL
How silly he can be. :D
No Nimrod. I will try to follow your posts and each time you kick State of Israel attempt to smear it's reputation attempt to imply wrongdoing without basis attempt to lie about it in unrelated to Israel threads i will be there. Asking you why you did that. Until you stop your stinky campaign or leave the forums.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.02 05:09:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 02/08/2011 05:22:47
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 02/08/2011 04:42:30
What a long post by Nimrod :D
What was I saying about language acrobatics a few posts above?
A perfect example of such. :-)
Thanks Nimrod for proving my point.


I'm delighted that you think so highly of my english skills. Personally, i'd say that I have an average grasp for a native speaker. Clearly i'm using words that must be outside of your vocabulary though, so in the interest of more effective communication i'll try to dumb it down.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Nimrod also unaware of a few "inconsistencies". How funny especially that I sent him quite a number of links in other posts when he kicked Israel for nothing and got my immediate response in other thread. Goldstone admit wrong accusations



Which of my links were about the Goldstone report? I don't think any of them mentioned it specifically, but you're welcome to point that out if they did. I don't have an "information warfare," agenda here and I think you know that if I did the EVE online forums would be the last place i'd post. If you haven't noticed, most of the players here could care less about our political discussions. What I reported was verifiable reporting from traditionally unbiased media sources. Again, if you can explain away those sources in particular i'd love to hear it, but what you've provided is not related to my links. And where on the forum does it suggest people are not free to discuss these matters in a rational manner?

Originally by: Alex Sinai

And someone please could you be so kind to explain to Nimrod meaning of word propaganda and may be hint him that it's not exactly applicable to any of democratic states since freedom of expression exist in each and every of them.



It's funny you should mention freedom of expression since you seem to be going out of your way to have me censored. Propaganda indeed.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Another exemplary note of Nimrod's use of "information warfare group" (lets call it its true meaning won't we?) tactic and language acrobatic is Nimrod calling Israel "my state". Hey smart boy did I ever in any of my post informed you or gave any information that it is my state? No i did not. Why you call Israel my state? Who gave you that right? Defending Israel not automatically mean it is my state and you very well know it. So buddy I can safely assume your state is Palestinian based on your assumptions of naming my state.


"Your," is a posessive. You argue in defense of something and I may refer to it as yours, in the sense that you argue for it. That does not necessarily imply that you are a member. Sorry if this is complex english grammar, as I said, i'm trying to dumb it down as much as I can while still getting the message across. I am also happy to report that i'm an American of German descent and both my parents happen to be Reform Jews. Personally though, i've been agnostic since college which was over 20 years ago and my hebrew is quite rusty as i've learned several languages since my youth.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Guardian newspaper unbiased... oh i can't stop laughing at that. Thanks for a good joke man! Laughing



Really? Is this an inside joke, because I don't get it? Could you point me in the direction of some reading that suggest it has a strong bias since you seem to think so?

Originally by: Alex Sinai

No Nimrod. I will try to follow your posts [...] Until you stop your stinky campaign or leave the forums.


I'm sorry you feel this is personal, but as has been stated by others, this isn't a smear campeign. You made it personal and i've continued to do nothing to affirm my topic was one of political rationality. I invite you to answer any of my prompts in your coming posts.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.08.02 05:14:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Roosterton on 02/08/2011 05:16:42
Nimrod: *Presents a clear and sound argument concerning Israel*
Alex: ANIT-SEMITE!!!! ZOMG!!!! YOU ARE TEH EVIL!!!!
Intelligent People: Anti-semitic doesn't mean what you think it does...
Alex: I REFUSE TO ARGUE WITH ANTI-SEMITES, SO INSTEAD I WILL REPEAT MINDLESS DRIVEL AND CONTINUE TO ACCUSE YOU OF BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!! STFU!!!!
Rolling Eyes

In fact, this is just about how every RL discussion concerning Israel goes. ugh

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.02 09:54:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 02/08/2011 10:32:44
Roosterton, wishful thinking not much helped the world so far but you made partially correct observations. I'd suggest you read all the posts again to understand what comes from where and why. Including the post that i said Nimrod have relation to Jewish nation. In post above Nimrod acknowledged it. May be I'm right about the rest of it.

Nimrod thank you so much for your effort to make effort to lower your "high class" English to my "dumb farmer" level. So much appreciated. Should we switch to Latin? Or ancient greek? You know, just so you wont feel too over-educated talking to me.

I think we have a great deal to talk about at Fanfest if you going to visit it of course and if CCP going to arrange it this year or next. We seem to have a lot to talk about and present our points of view and forum is not correct format for it. A nice discussion under cold Icelandic sun with unlimited supplies of quality beer can bring us to some terms and who knows may be I or you will succeed in proving the points to opponent.
So far this turned into "you the bad guy" vs "no its you the bad guy". It became boring a few posts ago.

So I suggest until then you try to avoid kicking State of Israel in posts not related to Israel (basically that's my only issue with you) and we will have a very peaceful coexistence. And if we both manage to come to Fanfest I will be very much interested in meeting you and discuss the topic in civilized environment and manner.

Another issue though I have no idea when Fanfest will be this year and I need to get vacations authorization at least few months in advance. Any help figuring out things concerning Fanfest this year will be much appreciated.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.02 15:47:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Roosterton, wishful thinking not much helped the world so far but you made partially correct observations. I'd suggest you read all the posts again to understand what comes from where and why. Including the post that i said Nimrod have relation to Jewish nation. In post above Nimrod acknowledged it. May be I'm right about the rest of it.


And here I was hoping you'd actually answer anything I posted. ugh

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Nimrod thank you so much for your effort to make effort to lower your "high class" English to my "dumb farmer" level. So much appreciated. Should we switch to Latin? Or ancient greek? You know, just so you wont feel too over-educated talking to me.


I'm fine with hebrew, german, english, and mandarin. But if you want to have that disuccsion you'll have to suggest a new venue because this is an english-speaking board. Also, my hebrew is rusty. Wink

Originally by: Alex Sinai

I think we have a great deal to talk about at Fanfest if you going to visit it of course and if CCP going to arrange it this year or next. We seem to have a lot to talk about and present our points of view and forum is not correct format for it. A nice discussion under cold Icelandic sun with unlimited supplies of quality beer can bring us to some terms and who knows may be I or you will succeed in proving the points to opponent.
So far this turned into "you the bad guy" vs "no its you the bad guy". It became boring a few posts ago.


I don't know, i'm an advocate of free speech and this forum (being out-of-game by nature) doesn't seem to be inappropriate for our present discourse. Not once have I accued you of being the bad guy, or Israel for that matter. You're confusing my posting with your own i'm afriad. I presented my thought on the politics of Israel. You accused me of being anti-semitic and spreading lies. I confimed that I was doing neither and posted more links to back it up. You failed to adress any of the links I posted head-on, instead choosing to attack the sources (without proof) and assume the articles were written under false pretense (also without proof). I agree, that a one-sided argument is boring and i'm really hoping that at some point you'll actually take me to task over my points rather than all the hand-waving that you've done so far.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

So I suggest until then you try to avoid kicking State of Israel in posts not related to Israel (basically that's my only issue with you) and we will have a very peaceful coexistence. And if we both manage to come to Fanfest I will be very much interested in meeting you and discuss the topic in civilized environment and manner.


I think you're confused as to how free speech works. We could be having a civilized debate right now, but you've side-stepped that in order to attack me and make rediculous accusations.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Another issue though I have no idea when Fanfest will be this year and I need to get vacations authorization at least few months in advance. Any help figuring out things concerning Fanfest this year will be much appreciated.


Sorry, can't help you there. Embarassed

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.02 16:33:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Estephania


Do you know any alternative to capitalism? Do you think that what we have now in China is socialism?
Capitalism is natural, it's in the human instincts, although we can argue about the level of state provided social safety net. Socialism is unnatural and can only be enforced by brutal oppressive system - that's exactly what we saw in a Soviet block.


This hurt to read, so I'm going to correct it.

Originally by: Estephania


Do you know any alternative to capitalism? Do you think that what we have now in China is Communism?
Capitalism is natural, it's in the human instincts, although we can argue about the level of state provided social safety net. Communism is unnatural and can only be enforced by brutal oppressive system - that's exactly what we saw in a Soviet block.


China has a very socialist government. It has only recently been moving from its pure communist government. To claim otherwise is ignorant.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.02 16:48:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 02/08/2011 16:55:57
Nimrod since you not answered most of my questions throughout our many posts communication I ignored some of yours.

Again I see a lot of language acrobatics and pretends which only become clearly false if to read all posts we sent to each other in more then one thread. Again tactics of "professional foreign-policy" groups. That includes your claim about "proofs" you sent. But who will read all that, why not to pretend that you sent any real proof and who will check all these news to its sources and stories afterward. You see Nimrod I know how information warfare works but vast majority of public have no idea. And don't care mostly. That's why your kind operate relatively freely.

To have that kind of conversation continue in forums will make everyone lose a lot of essential information and certainly nobody will read entire thread since it will grow enormously large.

Free speech and free hate not the same. Your kicks of Israel in threads not related to Israel suspicios of your agenda way too much not to notice it.

Even I bored by conversation with you. It's pointless and takes days already. Much better to have civilized conversation face to face but that's not something you interested in since there will be no public for you to continue going on with your bias and "stir the ship". You not interested in finding the truth or face any real facts. Unfortunate but fully expected.

I just wasted way to much of my time on you. But hey isn't you just do your job that you being paid for. Just taking it a bit too far into game forums too. You're a "professional foreign-policy group" member as you have stated before. Nothing personal for you.

I'm so sorry for your misery. Hope you will understand it yourself one day. But not really counting on it.

Have a good day, sir.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:07:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 02/08/2011 17:20:32
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 02/08/2011 16:48:59
Nimrod since you not answered most of my questions throughout our many posts communication I ignored some of yours.


Actually I answered you sentence for sentence in every post.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Again I see a lot of language acrobatics and pretends which only become clearly false if to read all posts we sent to each other in more then one thread. Again tactics of "professional foreign-policy" groups. That includes your claim about "proofs" you sent. But who will read all that, why not to pretend that you sent any real proof and who will check all these news to its sources and stories afterward. You see Nimrod I know how information warfare works but vast majority of public have no idea. And don't care mostly. That's why your kind operate relatively freely.


What of my language is tripping you up? Can you point out the sentence that you're having trouble with? Again you're coming to attack me and accuse me of misinformation rather than adressing the information itself. That is not how you engage in a rational debate. Would you rather we discussed an artile from the Jerusalem Post? Surely you would not accuse them of anti-Israeli bias?

Originally by: Alex Sinai

To have that kind of conversation continue in forums will make everyone lose a lot of essential information and certainly nobody will read entire thread since it will grow enormously large.


Since i'm not hoping to influence popular opinion and my only goal here is to have you hold a simple and rational discourse with me, I don't think that matters. I know you've continued to assert i'm here to propagandize and spread lies, but the truth is i'm only here because you have what is, in my opinion, a very tenuous grasp on reality. I had hoped that a rational discussion would help you see things a bit more clearly, but so far it doesn't look like i'm being understood. Either that or you're deliberately avoiding the factual conversation. I can't tell which one it is.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Free speech and free hate not the same. Your kicks of Israel in threads not related to Israel suspicios of your agenda way too much not to notice it.


No, free speech is free speech. I haven't got an agenda except to enlighten you with intelligent diologue. I'm still wondering how you have managed to misconstrue this as "hate" speech. When I am critical of my own government here in Washington, nobody asks me to stop speaking "hate," they discuss the matter at hand and we often take sides and argue talking points. It's politics and rational discourse, not a matter of friend and foe. Perhaps your society does not have free speech or has rigid censorship of government criticism and you just do not grasp this concept. If you would like me to link you to some related articles on political discourse I can do so.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Even I bored by conversation with you. It's pointless and takes days already. Much better to have civilized conversation face to face but that's not something you interested in since there will be no public for you to continue going on with your bias and "stir the ship". You not interested in finding the truth or face any real facts. Unfortunate but fully expected.


What did you find to be uncivilized about my posting? I'm giving you points to argue and you are dismissing them out of hand.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

I just wasted way to much time on you. But hey isn't you just do your job that you being paid for. Nothing personal for you.

I'm so sorry for your misery. Hope you will understand it yourself one day. But not really counting on it.

Have a good day, sir.


I'm paid to translate and draft various foreign policy documents for my government. Nothing about my job is expressedly political. I just carry on these conversations for enlightenment and fun.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.02 17:26:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 02/08/2011 17:26:52
Since I ran out of space in my last post Alex. I invite you to look over this article in particular and tell me what you think about it.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:59:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis


I'm paid to translate and draft various foreign policy documents for my government. Nothing about my job is expressedly political. I just carry on these conversations for enlightenment and fun.



*ponder*

What kind of foreign policy documents? Should you actually be talking openly about this on a forum?

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.02 19:01:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 02/08/2011 19:04:07
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis


I'm paid to translate and draft various foreign policy documents for my government. Nothing about my job is expressedly political. I just carry on these conversations for enlightenment and fun.



*ponder*

What kind of foreign policy documents? Should you actually be talking openly about this on a forum?


I think that would be crossing the line. But no, I don't think my superiors would care that i'm having such a discussion on the eveonline forums. Wink

In-fact this is the kind of talk we have at lunch everyday. Everyone in DC is a politics nerd.

Zagam
Posted - 2011.08.02 19:41:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Estephania
Originally by: Zagam
China's already laughing at us, since they have the largest share of foreign-owned US debt, AND are a linchpin to our economy. If any single entity wanted to completely destroy the US economy, China is in the best position to do so.


And they will completely destroy themselves by doing it as the US are the biggest consumer of the Chinese goods.

Actually, the EU is.


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