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Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.07.29 04:11:00 - [1]
 

For those who DO NOT know the difference. So please stop discussing how it is such a big problem for you to deal with.

And atm, hybrids and missiles are a problem in varied forms of game play.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.29 04:25:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
For those who DO NOT know the difference. So please stop discussing how it is such a big problem for you to deal with.

And atm, hybrids and missiles are a problem in varied forms of game play.

Your right, Aurum is *not* a problem.


The problem is the whole mindset...

Johann King
Posted - 2011.07.29 04:34:00 - [3]
 

Shut the **** up and get out of my game

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.29 04:36:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Johann King
Shut the **** up and get out of my game


Hilmar, is that you? Shocked

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.07.29 04:38:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Johann King
Shut the **** up and get out of my game
I took the liberty of bolding the issue in this torch mobs mentality.

It is every ones game.

Johann King
Posted - 2011.07.29 04:41:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Johann King
Shut the **** up and get out of my game
I took the liberty of bolding the issue in this torch mobs mentality.

It is every ones game.


Nobody gives a two bit flip **** about what you think

Oh, I should correct myself; this is CCP's game and they don't give a two bit flip **** about what you think

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.07.29 05:02:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Johann King
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Johann King
Shut the **** up and get out of my game
I took the liberty of bolding the issue in this torch mobs mentality.

It is every ones game.


Nobody gives a two bit flip **** about what you think

Oh, I should correct myself; this is CCP's game and they don't give a two bit flip **** about what you think
You know your omnisciently clairvoyant view of everyone's opinions is quite amazing.

Brea Res
Amarr
Aphelion Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.29 05:04:00 - [8]
 

So you're saying having a currency that is tied directly to real world money isn't a problem? I would agree with you, and though I'm a returning player (after 8 months) I will say that in most cases it's best of a game choses one path, not two. If CCP is angling at having a "cash shop" or something similar then they should consider just going F2P and droping this whole subscription stuff. On the other hand I could see F2P EVE being a mess, with tons of high SP toons.

It's hard to say what CCP should do. I know that second life has a real economy tied to true money. Though it's neat it isn't what EVE is. My thought for CCP, if they should ever care about my opinion. Is to remove real money from the in-game economy. Unless eve and CCP are suffering from a lack of income then their is no reason to add a cash system into the game other than greed.

I agree with the OPer, it is a "choice" and as long as real money dosn't ever = strength in the game then it'll be fine.

Jonas Xiamon
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.29 05:10:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Brea Res
So you're saying having a currency that is tied directly to real world money isn't a problem? I would agree with you, and though I'm a returning player (after 8 months) I will say that in most cases it's best of a game choses one path, not two. If CCP is angling at having a "cash shop" or something similar then they should consider just going F2P and droping this whole subscription stuff. On the other hand I could see F2P EVE being a mess, with tons of high SP toons.

It's hard to say what CCP should do. I know that second life has a real economy tied to true money. Though it's neat it isn't what EVE is. My thought for CCP, if they should ever care about my opinion. Is to remove real money from the in-game economy. Unless eve and CCP are suffering from a lack of income then their is no reason to add a cash system into the game other than greed.

I agree with the OPer, it is a "choice" and as long as real money dosn't ever = strength in the game then it'll be fine.


QFT

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:25:00 - [10]
 

I haven’t seen people describing AUR as a problem. I’ve seen them describing it as something they don’t intend to deal with because they don’t like it. They’ve made their choice and the only problem they have is having AUR stuffed into their wallets against their desires by the EVE is Real rewards program.

This is not a problem that can be solved since there is no choice. The only choice remaining is to use the AUR or not. If they choose to use the AUR, then they have a problem which can be solved.

Thus, if people make the choice to complain about AUR, it isn’t their problem. It’s feedback and if anyone doesn’t like it, that’s their problem……….or they can make the choice to ignore the feedback and mind their own business instead of trying to direct others in how they should post.

-Windjammer

Laser Purification
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:29:00 - [11]
 


Aurum is a problem because it represents a mis-allocation of resources. They would earn more money by investing the developer effort expended on improving the gameplay and retaining subscriptions.

... though if you like laughing at CCP being bad it's pretty much the best. Though I have high hopes for Dust and Dust-Eve integration.

Kais N'ktal
Caldari
Ordos Humanitas
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:32:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Kais N''ktal on 29/07/2011 06:37:15
Originally by: Windjammer
I haven’t seen people describing AUR as a problem. I’ve seen them describing it as something they don’t intend to deal with because they don’t like it. They’ve made their choice and the only problem they have is having AUR stuffed into their wallets against their desires by the EVE is Real rewards program.

This is not a problem that can be solved since there is no choice. The only choice remaining is to use the AUR or not. If they choose to use the AUR, then they have a problem which can be solved.

Thus, if people make the choice to complain about AUR, it isn’t their problem. It’s feedback and if anyone doesn’t like it, that’s their problem……….or they can make the choice to ignore the feedback and mind their own business instead of trying to direct others in how they should post.

-Windjammer



Windjammer, they have been complaining. Fruitlessly I might add. Most of what I've seen has been "OMG you're going to break the economy" -doubtful or "OMG y u no fix technical problems yet devote all ur ppl to dressups" - sigh, different teams.

Or wait for it, here comes the best one!

THE AUR SHOP IS SEXIST! THE FREE AUR GIFT IS SEXIST! WHY ARE OUR WOMEN CLOTHES SO EXPENSIVE!!!


Sorry for the very 12 year old attitude post but I just find this whole drama very silly, however it fits in perfectly with what CCP wants to do and that is making the best space simulator possible and honestly they've done a damn good job.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Laser Purification
Aurum is a problem because it represents a mis-allocation of resources. They would earn more money by investing the developer effort expended on improving the gameplay and retaining subscriptions.

... though if you like laughing at CCP being bad it's pretty much the best. Though I have high hopes for Dust and Dust-Eve integration.
You do understand how the goods in Dust are going to be purchased, yes? I mean………if you don’t like Aurum here in EVE and all it’s doing is purchasing vanity items, you’re really going to hate its counterpart in Dust where it’s going to be used for purchase of weaponry.

Laser Purification
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:38:00 - [14]
 


A *very* tiny subset of the Eve community care about Dust.

... other than the high probability of it screwing Eve even further. On top of which Dust is free to play, Eve is not.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:44:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Windjammer on 29/07/2011 06:58:04
Originally by: Kais N'ktal
Windjammer, they have been complaining. Fruitlessly I might add. Most of what I've seen has been "OMG you're going to break the economy" -doubtful or "OMG y u no fix technical problems yet devote all ur ppl to dressups" - sigh, different teams.

Or wait for it, here comes the best one!

THE AUR SHOP IS SEXIST! THE FREE AUR GIFT IS SEXIST! WHY ARE OUR WOMEN CLOTHES SO EXPENSIVE!!!


Sorry for the very 12 year old attitude post but I just find this whole drama very silly, however it fits in perfectly with what CCP wants to do and that is making the best space simulator possible and honestly they've done a damn good job.
Well…….much of what we write on these forums in fruitless. Yes, I’d have to agree the complaints about Aurum are probably in that category and some of it, as you’ve pointed out, is a bit difficult to find other than silly.

However, sometimes CCP listens and the forums are for discussion whether they are fruitless discussions or not.

Kais N'ktal
Caldari
Ordos Humanitas
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:46:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Kais N''ktal on 29/07/2011 06:46:06

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:57:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Windjammer on 29/07/2011 06:59:51
Originally by: Laser Purification

A *very* tiny subset of the Eve community care about Dust.

... other than the high probability of it screwing Eve even further. On top of which Dust is free to play, Eve is not.

If Dust 514 is successful it will touch every aspect of the EVE economy when it is fully integrated into EVE and allowed to affect Planetary Interaction. When that happens, everyone in EVE will care about it.

Free? Interesting term. It tends to bring to mind an absolute state. As in, Dust will not require you to spend money. Some aspects of Dust may be free, but Dust characters will have their ability defined by the equipment they possess. That equipment will be gained by purchase with real life money or in game money they get from EVE players. Also, won’t you have to purchase the game in the first place?

Handled correctly, it could expand EVE’s variety. Handled incorrectly, it could anger a lot of customers. Since we’re talking about CCP…………well……I think your phrase was high probability?


 

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