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Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:42:00 - [1]
 

I was hauling minerals between Palas and Amarr in my Bestower when I noticed something very odd while traveling through Gidali. Sanshas on the gate. Lots of them. It was a Live Event - the first I've ever seen. Exciting, for sure. I promptly jumped one system over to hop into my Abaddon and joined a local fleet that was forming.

It took nearly 30 minutes for the fleet to finish oragnizing. We were a sizable fleet, 70 pilots strong, some which had come from upwards of 30 jumps distant. Logi pilots had set up chains and watch lists. The local PvE DPS had refit for incursions (EHP, Omni resists, DPS). Last minute advice was being handed out, fittings analyzed, anchors set, as we scrambled to organize while we gathered on both sides of Gidali.

Battle comms was called. Reports were still coming in of lone battleships being chased down and popped by the Sahshas as they jumped into Gidali and to their doom. The order was given - fleet undock, jump to Gidali, assemble on Planet 1.

A torrent of ships spews from the station, a steady stream warping across the system, continuous gate fire propelling our fleet to Gidali. The gate on the other side is cluttered with wreckage. We ignore it, and burn to Planet 1. The fleet assembles, all 70 ships, the logi chain cris-crossing the fleet like a game of cat's cradle gone awry. Modules on every ship, prepped and ready for combat, illuminate the scene in a pulsating glow. We are ready for this.

But we were met only with silence. The wormholes that the Sanshas had been invading through had disappeared. Scavengers were finishing picking at the wreckage on the gates. It could not have been more than 45-60 minutes since the event had begun, and already, without even being able to participate, it was over.

We waited for another 15 minutes. The hope and excitement that had been so high in the fleet only minutes before had been entirely snuffed out. There was no anger though. Only sadness. The fleet was called. Our pilots drifted away, back to the drudgery that seemed even more pale than it did only an hour ago.

We've been had. We've been robbed.

CCP, Slave Nakri29, if you're reading this, please know that it is quite cruel to toy with us like that. It is a major party foul to call a live event and then bail out before the guests arrive.

~ Mandrid

Main thread here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1558165

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:45:00 - [2]
 

Sounds like the scavengers had the right idea.

And if you know theres a main thread, post there. You're not special. Hope the mod's delete this one, we need a little more discipline on the forums.

Lando Storm
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:48:00 - [3]
 

take it to intergalactic summit

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:50:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Feligast on 28/07/2011 21:31:28
LOL @ myself, comment retracted.

Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:55:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Sounds like the scavengers had the right idea.

And if you know theres a main thread, post there. You're not special. Hope the mod's delete this one, we need a little more discipline on the forums.


I posted in General because I thought it had a place here, because I believe Events and Gatherings is for planning social events, both in and out of game. General felt more appropriate. Not to mention, it has higher exposure.

Originally by: Lando Storm
take it to intergalactic summit


I believe the Intergalactic Summit is for Role-Playing.

Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"


I'm sorry we can't all measure up to Goonswarm standards.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:56:00 - [6]
 

What, you wanted the Sansha invasion to wait for you guys to get your act together?

Hmm, I wonder how different real invasions and attacks would go had they also waited for the other team to get their acts together and finally show up for a SURPRISE attack.

Pearl Harbor:
"Wait wait, you Japanese Zeroes hold up a second! Let us get all our guys some breakfast and to their gun stations before you go dropping all those bombs. Thanks!"

Abbottabad:
"Whoa guys, SEAL Team 6 stand down a minute. Bin Laden is still in bed and his guys are SRSLY tired. Let 'em get some coffee down and then we'll attack."


Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:58:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: War Kitten
What, you wanted the Sansha invasion to wait for you guys to get your act together?

Hmm, I wonder how different real invasions and attacks would go had they also waited for the other team to get their acts together and finally show up for a SURPRISE attack.

Pearl Harbor:
"Wait wait, you Japanese Zeroes hold up a second! Let us get all our guys some breakfast and to their gun stations before you go dropping all those bombs. Thanks!"

Abbottabad:
"Whoa guys, SEAL Team 6 stand down a minute. Bin Laden is still in bed and his guys are SRSLY tired. Let 'em get some coffee down and then we'll attack."




Well, at least someone in this thread has a valid argument. :-p

Zelphinine
Posted - 2011.07.28 19:34:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: War Kitten
What, you wanted the Sansha invasion to wait for you guys to get your act together?

Hmm, I wonder how different real invasions and attacks would go had they also waited for the other team to get their acts together and finally show up for a SURPRISE attack.
Well yes. Since EVE is a game.

Just so we're clear here. A game is meant to be fun. If CCP sets off a live event and then closes it before any real number of players show up to enjoy it . . . they're doing it wrong.

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.28 19:39:00 - [9]
 

Confirming that you're entitled to have a live event wait for you to be ready rather than play out live.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.28 19:39:00 - [10]
 

Why should they wait for you when you took so long?

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.07.28 19:45:00 - [11]
 

From my experience, they usually keep hopping around incursion areas until they get cornered. Next time send scouts out across the constellation and find them.

Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.28 20:35:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Why should they wait for you when you took so long?



I guess next time I should tell the FC to hurry the heck up. :-p

... but why would anyone go in at all, when the fleet isn't assembled, and Logi still isn't ready? That would be like just throwing ships away. An FC who warps a fleet into combat before it is ready and ends up loosing ships in a sh##-storm would be ripped a new one, and might be told to never FC again.

Originally by: Zelphinine
Well yes. Since EVE is a game.

Just so we're clear here. A game is meant to be fun. If CCP sets off a live event and then closes it before any real number of players show up to enjoy it . . . they're doing it wrong.


This is a valid point as well. If CCP is going to create live events where a lack of organization and preparedness would mean the loss of your ship, and then jump out before a prepared fleet can arrive to take part, then all they are doing is encouraging players to NOT take part in live events.

A live event would form, people would vacate the system, and simply wait for it to pass, because by the time any organized response forms, the live event would be over or move on, and all that would have been accomplished was wasting one hour times 200+ people who are running fire-drills at the behest of CCP.

If CCP keeps doing that, no one will want to do a live event, and the purpose of live events will have failed.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.07.28 20:39:00 - [13]
 

A live event isn't necessarily supposed to be for you go blast up some NPCs, it's about carrying the plot forward in a way that the players can interact with. That's the beauty about live events; if you had ended up getting there in time and killing the sanshas, something entirely different may happen for the next live event based on the outcome of this one. We'll never know.

If you want to blast up sanshas, there's always Stain and incursions.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.28 20:41:00 - [14]
 

If people like you keep *****ing about live events then they will simply stop doing them. They were forced to a long time ago due to whiny ungrateful players doing nothing but complaining.

Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.28 20:58:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
If people like you keep *****ing about live events then they will simply stop doing them. They were forced to a long time ago due to whiny ungrateful players doing nothing but complaining.


This, coming from the Lady Spank who is being whiny and ungrateful about getting free AUR tomorrow?

I do agree with your thread on that topic, btw. But that is an entirely different matter. Still though, you can't "whine and be ungrateful" in one thread, and then accuse someone of wishing for change on a different matter in a different thread.

Hopefully, CCP reads these forums every now and then and sees what their players wish to see in the game, or wish to see changed in the game. Will you deny me the right to wish that Live Events be handled differently, so that more may participate?

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:00:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Lady Spank on 28/07/2011 21:01:49
I don't recall whining. I objected to being duped by a marketing gimmick.

EDIT: But to give you the benefit of the doubt, CCP DO read these threads and take on board constructive criticism. There was a thread about a different recent live event that had a good bit of discourse between the staff involved and the players involved.

I don't think anyone from CCP is reading the forums today considering the number of troll threads that are not being locked.

Mandrid Mandragoran
Amarr
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:03:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Roosterton
A live event isn't necessarily supposed to be for you go blast up some NPCs, it's about carrying the plot forward in a way that the players can interact with. That's the beauty about live events; if you had ended up getting there in time and killing the sanshas, something entirely different may happen for the next live event based on the outcome of this one. We'll never know.

If you want to blast up sanshas, there's always Stain and incursions.


If CCP's telling a story here, they're being rather cryptic about it. Is there truly a story being driven here? All we know, and all we saw, was some Sanshas invading Gidali, and then disappearing. Some CCP pilot was saying something about how awesome slavery is. That's pretty much it.

I don't mean to say that players need to be spoon-fed the story here. But if this is supposed to be some piece to a larger puzzle, who has the pieces that have been placed so far, and how does it look when you put them together?

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:04:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
Ahhhh…….the stench of a sneering elitist. Or perhaps it’s the smell of someone who thinks he has compensated for the size of other things by being one of a “sizeable” group.

A fleet of 70 pilots under the conditions stated IS sizeable. It was created on the spur of the moment, in high sec and composed of people who don’t normally fly together. Not too shabby.

-Windjammer

Rise Kujikawa
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:07:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"


For PvE? That's a freaking horde.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:07:00 - [20]
 

Considering 70 people is about the amount you could expect to find in a single system in high-sec, having someone from 0.0 (which houses a considerably smaller percentage of the playerbase) laugh at you for considering it a large fleet is quite reasonable.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Mandrid Mandragoran
Originally by: Roosterton
A live event isn't necessarily supposed to be for you go blast up some NPCs, it's about carrying the plot forward in a way that the players can interact with. That's the beauty about live events; if you had ended up getting there in time and killing the sanshas, something entirely different may happen for the next live event based on the outcome of this one. We'll never know.

If you want to blast up sanshas, there's always Stain and incursions.


If CCP's telling a story here, they're being rather cryptic about it. Is there truly a story being driven here? All we know, and all we saw, was some Sanshas invading Gidali, and then disappearing. Some CCP pilot was saying something about how awesome slavery is. That's pretty much it.

I don't mean to say that players need to be spoon-fed the story here. But if this is supposed to be some piece to a larger puzzle, who has the pieces that have been placed so far, and how does it look when you put them together?


Who knows? Perhaps we haven't been given all the pieces yet.

(Saying that makes me feel so unbelievably corny.)

Something is happening though, between sleepers dropping in on wormholes, sanshas INVADING and not just sitting around in sites, and mysterious Pilgrims piloted by CCP being spotted. Relax and see where the plot takes you.

CCP, please don't cancel live events again due to ungratefulness and impatience.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:10:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
If people like you keep *****ing about live events then they will simply stop doing them. They were forced to a long time ago due to whiny ungrateful players doing nothing but complaining.
The OP has not whined so much as he has chided CCP for what he considers a lack in the event and at the same time suggesting a course of action to improve the event. You have to admit, it was pretty short lived.

CCP have said many times that they wish feedback. This is it.

-Windjammer

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:12:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
Ahhhh…….the stench of a sneering elitist. Or perhaps it’s the smell of someone who thinks he has compensated for the size of other things by being one of a “sizeable” group.


Like Goonhaters? Hi pot, I'm kettle. o/\o m8m8m8

-Windjammer

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:15:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Considering 70 people is about the amount you could expect to find in a single system in high-sec, having someone from 0.0 (which houses a considerably smaller percentage of the playerbase) laugh at you for considering it a large fleet is quite reasonable.
You’ve omitted the pertinent variables in your calculation. For instance the fact that the elitist is a member of a corp boasting over two thousand. Easy for a corp like that to gather hundreds. Hard for a group of strangers from a number of different corps to get together.

You know this and you’re just posting to be contentious. Come up with better or risk being ignored.

-Windjammer

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:19:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Feligast
LOL @ 70 pilots being "sizeable"
Ahhhh…….the stench of a sneering elitist. Or perhaps it’s the smell of someone who thinks he has compensated for the size of other things by being one of a “sizeable” group.


Like Goonhaters? Hi pot, I'm kettle. o/\o m8m8m8

-Windjammer
Cool

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:22:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Lady Spank
Considering 70 people is about the amount you could expect to find in a single system in high-sec, having someone from 0.0 (which houses a considerably smaller percentage of the playerbase) laugh at you for considering it a large fleet is quite reasonable.
You’ve omitted the pertinent variables in your calculation. For instance the fact that the elitist is a member of a corp boasting over two thousand. Easy for a corp like that to gather hundreds. Hard for a group of strangers from a number of different corps to get together.

You know this and you’re just posting to be contentious. Come up with better or risk being ignored.

-Windjammer



Well now we have the other issue... People that wish to do fleet ops should get organised to facilitate such activity.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:28:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Feligast on 28/07/2011 21:30:16
At the risk of making windjammer smug as hell, the more I've read of this, my comment was somewhat elitist and misinformed. Been too long since I've been in highsec for any great length of time. I retract my LOL @, and beg forgiveness from this thread.

And Spank.. that was exactly my thinking, that we can get 100-150 pilots at the drop of a hat in VFK, but these guys had to beg pilots from 30 jumps out just to get 70. But it's a different animal up in highsec, and I forget that. Still, though... yeah.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:31:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 28/07/2011 21:33:26
Organizing a hisec fleet in a random location within 30 - 45 minutes is about as good as it's going to get. The fact that they were able to assemble +70 pilots in that amount of time is a feat in itself. Seriously.

One must question the point of a live event if it's not going to last long enough draw in, reasonably, as many customers as possible before it ends.

This is the equivalent of having the World Cup hosted in a location and a time unknown to the rest of the world until the kick off and expecting people that want to participate to drop everything in the hopes they can reach it before its over.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:31:00 - [29]
 

As soon as communal areas are added to WIS we can have a party together and stop all this violence.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:33:00 - [30]
 

I'll bring booze and greasy food!


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