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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.28 23:27:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai

The policy of don't see don't exist that many political left enjoy has to end. Immigration mean assimilation. Immigrants cant come and create a part of their country of origin with its laws in their new country. They either assimilate among the population or go back to their countries of origin. As long as this wont be implemented in full I fear we will see more actions of a lone madmans in EU who got fed up with the policies of their governments which disregard their own people in favor of "poor muslims" or whatever other group it would be.


I think people are failing to diffirentiate between private social culture and public political-social cultures. Everyone wants to fear-monger that sha'ria law is coming to the west, but that sounds just as rediculous to me as someone re-implementing hamurrabi's code again. Even most developed mid-eastern nations have throw out the old traditional religious law systems so I can't fathom why anyone would think Saudi goverance is coming to Berlin.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

Norway shootings was action of a madman. A sociopat and obviously he requires medical attention since no sane man would do something like that. However his actions show that steam under the hood is way above estimated in EU.


I don't think it's necessarily indicative of popular unrest. Crazy people don't need a mass following to do crazy things. Tim Mcvey had only a small sect of ani-goverment supporters and he carried out his insane vision all the same in Ok. City.

Originally by: Alex Sinai

May be EU need to look at American and Israeli experience of assimilating large numbers of immigrants from various countries.


No, just no. America, sure. We've had a fairly succesful run of the "melting pot," over the years. Isreal on the other hand has simply built a gargantuan ghetto for it's arab population and contiues to reap the horrible rewards for it's blunders. Nobody in their right mind would follow in Isreali footsteps regarding social integration unless they wanted to start a war.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.29 04:53:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 05:05:03
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 04:57:11
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis

I think people are failing to diffirentiate between private social culture and public political-social cultures. Everyone wants to fear-monger that sha'ria law is coming to the west, but that sounds just as rediculous to me as someone re-implementing hamurrabi's code again. Even most developed mid-eastern nations have throw out the old traditional religious law systems so I can't fathom why anyone would think Saudi goverance is coming to Berlin.



May be you should read police reports all over EU for immigrants and their heirs exercising Sharia law rules. May be you could be so kind as to name ONE Middle Eastern nation that thrown out their old traditional religious law systems. I don't know single one of them who did so. Name to the studio with factual data please. Otherwise its empty statement based on nothing.
Iraq and Afghanistan not counted in since they are occupied and not expressing freedom of own government. When they did one was dictatorship and another had laws of a kind that Hammurapi code would be seen as outstandingly liberal system.


Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis

I don't think it's necessarily indicative of popular unrest. Crazy people don't need a mass following to do crazy things. Tim Mcvey had only a small sect of ani-goverment supporters and he carried out his insane vision all the same in Ok. City.


Sociopats not coming from Mars. They grow up and develop within the societies. Should mean something, no?

Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis

Originally by: Alex Sinai

May be EU need to look at American and Israeli experience of assimilating large numbers of immigrants from various countries.


No, just no. America, sure. We've had a fairly succesful run of the "melting pot," over the years. Isreal on the other hand has simply built a gargantuan ghetto for it's arab population and contiues to reap the horrible rewards for it's blunders. Nobody in their right mind would follow in Isreali footsteps regarding social integration unless they wanted to start a war.



Very interesting and indicative your hatred and complete lack of knowledge of whats going on in Israel and what is Israel at all. May be instead of joyfully swimming in hate to Israel you would visit that country talk to its people including arab population.
But then facts would come in conflict with what left wing and far left wing media tells you. It is so inconvenient to find out that Israel is a single democratic country in Middle East and truly follow Western principles. Much more convenient to hate and blame without thinking.
Do you know that Israeli arabs when was offered to take Palestinian citizenships when that state will be officially created rejected that proposal and instead agreed to Pledge of Allegiance to Israel? Do you know that when part of land where Israeli arabs live was going to be transferred to Palestinian autonomy these Israeli arabs just didn't let Palestinian forces in and complained loudly to press and Parliament that nobody asked them if they want to live within Palestinian autonomy? Do you know that Palestinian arabs go to very far lengths to get permanent resident status in Israel and never return to their "autonomy"? Do you know that State of Israel is the only place in Middle East where you can exercise freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of sexual orientation, freedom and equal rights of woman? Do you know what will any of Middle Eastern regimes do to you if you were gay or woman who would like equal rights with man?

What blunders you refer to? Name it. At least one that wasn't later confirmed being a lie to the world by far left press or organizations.

No i don't think you know anything about Israel or Middle East at all.
It is much easier to hate then to know.

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.29 05:10:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 29/07/2011 05:17:10
Originally by: Alex Sinai
What blunders you refer to? Name it. At least one that wasn't later confirmed being a lie to the world by far left press or organizations.

No i don't think you know anything about Israel or Middle East at all.
It is much easier to hate then to know.


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

I think that says it all.

Yes, I hate that. I seriously ****ing hope you do too.

Hurf blurf and blow all the anti-islamic **** you desire out of your ass. That's not relavent to the point I made: Isreal has royally ****ed any chance it had at peacefully integrating it's cultures.

And if you're wondering "gee wilikers Nimrod, what might that thing be?"

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Full diagram for you there sunshine.

You wanna deny the fact that they're putting Palestinians into ghettos or what? I'm looking forward to reading your response.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.07.29 05:52:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/07/2011 05:54:15
If I lived next to people who had a nasty habit of self detonation in pizza parlours, shopping malls, and lighting off a couple hundred rockets a day, I'd build a wall like that too.

As security walls go, that's a nice one. Wouldn't mind seeing one like that on our southern border and around California.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.29 06:03:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 07:05:19
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 06:23:24
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 06:15:48
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 06:12:50
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 06:09:04
Nimrod I don't see you answer any of the questions i raised in my post. Regretful but not unexpected.

Pictures and schematic of the wall? It's a state border.
Don't US build wall along USA/Mexico border? Don't there walls along some other countries borders?
Do you know why Israel build the wall at all?
1. Against terrorist infiltrations.
2. Against illegal immigration from Palestinian autonomy.

Should I or you by yourself name reasons why USA building the wall along Mexico border?
As to reasons for palestinian illegal immigration to Israel it's the same as Mexican immigration to USA.

Putting it your way... United States putting mexicans into ghettos! Why you not letting these people pass freely into United States of America and do there as they please?

Your posts are emotions based on perverted facts of reality. There's no point in continuing that type of conversation.
I suggest you start reading more honest press and may be visit the place you are talking about. Just to see by yourself what really happens and not what some political groups want you to think happens.

And I should not even start talking about what would United States do to a country or territory that would launch missiles or send terrorists to kill its citizens. United States invaded countries which sent or supported terrorists that attack United States.
That you forgot to mention at all Nimrod. That Israeli cities continuously bombarded by rockets and propelled grenades from territory of "poor palestinians".

Just remember, jews not smarter then other people. And hatred of jews comes out mostly of complexes of self. Usually low self-esteemed people or losers have to blame someone for their failures. What could be better then to blame jews or jewish state and if facts not fit the theory then just modify the facts. Happen so many times in history.

But this topic is not about Israel or USA. It is about Norway and EU what and why had happen there. So lets stick to it.

Have a good time of EVE.

Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.29 07:25:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/07/2011 05:54:15
If I lived next to people who had a nasty habit of self detonation in pizza parlours, shopping malls, and lighting off a couple hundred rockets a day, I'd build a wall like that too.

As security walls go, that's a nice one. Wouldn't mind seeing one like that on our southern border and around California.


question is would you Move to an area, kick the people out of their homes and then not expect any repercussions?

also the difference between California building the wall (chances are it would be built on its own soil, doubt they would go into another state or countries boarders.

i wont go into whats wrong with most statements in this topic as it would just be futile attempt.


Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.29 07:39:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Bodrul on 29/07/2011 07:47:14

Originally by: Alex Sinai

And I should not even start talking about what would United States do to a country or territory that would launch missiles or send terrorists to kill its citizens. United States invaded countries which sent or supported terrorists that attack United States.
That you forgot to mention at all Nimrod. That Israeli cities continuously bombarded by rockets and propelled grenades from territory of "poor palestinians".



Interesting

Terrorists the US were attacked by were groomed and funded by CIA and ISA during the cold war,
at the end of the Day the United states along with Pakistan created Alquida. so should the US have bombed its self back to the stong age along with pakistan?

are you one of those people that still scream IRAQ had something to do with 9/11?

Israel rocket attacks, are you serious? crude rockets where only 1 or 2 kill with rest damaging fields or one in a blue moon a road. rocket propelled Grenades lol (cant believe someones compared a bottle rocket to that)

when it comes to killing Israel use white phosphorus on heavily built up areas along with other weapons that should only be used in wide areas away from civilian populations.

Israel continues to expand settlements in west bank despite been told its illegal, also its stance on it can continue attacks (target assassinations) during ceasefires kind of is a mockery

your replies seem more emotional then factual

Edit:

also just because one doesn't like what Israel does, doen't mean they hate jews
example this MP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8




Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.29 08:28:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 08:38:37
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 08:36:36
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 08:32:44
Originally by: Bodrul


Israel rocket attacks, are you serious? crude rockets where only 1 or 2 kill with rest damaging fields or one in a blue moon a road. rocket propelled Grenades lol (cant believe someones compared a bottle rocket to that)

when it comes to killing Israel use white phosphorus on heavily built up areas along with other weapons that should only be used in wide areas away from civilian populations.

Israel continues to expand settlements in west bank despite been told its illegal, also its stance on it can continue attacks (target assassinations) during ceasefires kind of is a mockery

your replies seem more emotional then factual


About white phosphorus please bring in facts. When by whom and links to reports with pictures of attack aftermath. Preferably credible reports. Otherwise its just another lie based on zero grounds as usual.

Crude rockets? Kill nobody? What about rocket falling into kindergarten and only by miracle no children were there at the moment of rocket fall? What about RPG fired at school bus and child die with many other children wounded? What about daily sirens of incoming rockets in cities? How about children who have to hide in bomb shelters? Your post suggest that since most of the rockets not kill anyone let them fire it? What kind of perversive thinking is that.

What makes you think settlements illegal? By who's authority or what law they declared illegal?
You know, i can declare that you live in your house illegally. And protest your living there and write a lot of posts about it. That wont make you living there illegal. But impression will be that you live there illegally. Try to differentiate illegal and wishful thinking.
Don't you know about thousands of illegal buildings Palestinian autonomy build? Why you not protest them? Because they are not jews and much harder to blame anything on without response which can be as nasty as a man with a knife on your doorstep (Danish painter death to remind?).

Ceasefire? Excuse me? I thought ceasefire means no shootings which include no rockets and no RPG. Or was i mistaken somewhere?

Lets return to the topic of this thread as I state again it is about Norway shootings and not about USA Israel or any other issue.

Troll posts wont be replied anymore.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.29 09:10:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 09:21:04
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 09:20:32
Edited by: Alex Sinai on 29/07/2011 09:17:00
Originally by: Bodrul


question is would you Move to an area, kick the people out of their homes and then not expect any repercussions?

also the difference between California building the wall (chances are it would be built on its own soil, doubt they would go into another state or countries boarders.

i wont go into whats wrong with most statements in this topic as it would just be futile attempt.





I had a good laugh thanks to you Bordul!
Please re-read history of United States of America.
Words American Indians sound familiar? Word reservations ring any bells?
USA/Mexico border disputes raise anything in memory?

I had really good laugh thanks to you.

Do not judge and you shall not be judged. World is far more complex place then most of us could possibly imagine. And each medal have two sides.

Takseen
Posted - 2011.07.29 09:32:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai


About white phosphorus please bring in facts. When by whom and links to reports with pictures of attack aftermath. Preferably credible reports. Otherwise its just another lie based on zero grounds as usual.

What makes you think settlements illegal? By who's authority or what law they declared illegal?
You know, i can declare that you live in your house illegally. And protest your living there and write a lot of posts about it. That wont make you living there illegal. But impression will be that you live there illegally. Try to differentiate illegal and wishful thinking.
Don't you know about thousands of illegal buildings Palestinian autonomy build? Why you not protest them? Because they are not jews and much harder to blame anything on without response which can be as nasty as a man with a knife on your doorstep (Danish painter death to remind?).
Lets return to the topic of this thread as I state again it is about Norway shootings and not about USA Israel or any other issue.


You were the one who brought up Israel as the golden boy example of successful integration of immigrants. Their actual record is a bit more spotty.
On White Phosphorus use by the IDF.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6150448.ece
The IDF admitted to using them, and said they would stop using them due to the adverse media attention.
On the illegal settlements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#Legal_status covers most of the issues. Under UN law it is illegal for an occupying power to settle its own people in territory seized during a war. So by that definition the Israeli settlements in areas such as the West Bank are illegal. Various arguments have been made that these settlements are ok since the territory was taken during the course of a defensive war, and its in a historical Jewish homeland. I'm not so convinced. Especially when they demolish Palestinian homes to make way for these new settlements.

Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.29 09:34:00 - [41]
 

so narrow minded

BBC White phosphorus used by Israel

Amnesty International

BBC again cluster bombs

and google more :)

i didnt say rockets dont kill people, the way you make it sound they are doing more damage then they actually do. at the end of the day the are crude rockets which on rare occasions hit anything

Graph

Quote:
Ceasefire? Excuse me? I thought ceasefire means no shootings which include no rockets and no RPG. Or was i mistaken somewhere?


Israel always maintains it has the right to attack (as in assassinations) even during ceasefires even when not attacked first,

Israel Breaks ceasefire 2009 (most major conflict)

also who says Building on Someone elses land is illegal, the UN which Israel is a signatory to,
Land gained in war for defenses purposes cannot be used to expand boarders or used for civilian purposes.

The settlements are deemed illegal under international law, although Israel disputes this. Recent peace talks with the Palestinians were derailed over the issue of continued building in settlements.

take into account this isnt the colonial periods where you can do as you wish, as these days we have Laws which we have to follow. Israel chooses to follow laws which benifit it but ignore those it doesn't like

have fun




Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.29 10:35:00 - [42]
 

Thanks for links.
Really makes some serious point.
But there are real big but...
Lets go one by one.

United Nations
UN reports by far discredited itself on all things concerning Israel and some people within UN raised concerns of one sided reports UN always files.
UN Goldstone who report war crimes and most of things in your links had to admit that his report was "incorrect" at best http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4050990,00.html
UN dubbed in Israel as United Enemies since never that organization reported anything remotely good about State of Israel and managed to look the other way when things were done against Israel or its citizens.

Most of your links date to 2009 exactly when media campaign against Israel was on the raise with use of highly controversial methods. Since then many of these reports proven to be false.

Also most of your links lead to BBC which is known to be on heavy anti-Israel stance and had to apologize for "unconfirmed" reports it did many times when Israel faced it with facts. It also along with CNN had to sack out a number of their "reporters" which turned to be highly politicized and their reports was a stage a lot of times. http://www.crimsonpolitics.com/cnn-shows-hamas-propaganda-fake-cpr

You should also mention a highly distributed video of Israeli army shooting of 11 year old palestinian boy who got caught in crossfire. A scandal was astounding. And fake.
Later reports released details how was that incident staged and where from came the bullet. But since it wasn't Israel to blame the final reports was far less loud then initial scandal when it looked like Israel can be blamed for it. http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/03/mohammed-al-dura-hoax.html

So lets conclude.
UN reports have nothing to do with anything and mostly ignored by everyone since they released for internal use when it concerns Israel and never reflect any truth.
Amnesty International report you linked dates 2009 when the group was fooled as many others by staged events. If it keeps the report until today shame on them.
BBC cannot be held legitimate since many "mistakes" in its reports dating 2008-2010 and before.

So links that you sent basically links to news that was made(staged) and not news that was reported(real).

I'm outstandingly tired to prove something here and since its obvious you use fake materials that known to be fake (may be you don't know about it) I don't want to lose any more of my time educating you or anyone else on the topic. Information is there on the Internet so anyone interested can find it.

Have a good time of EVE.

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Posted - 2011.07.29 10:36:00 - [43]
 

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