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Aljarra Todako
Posted - 2011.07.27 16:53:00 - [1]
 

Hi, all-

I finally took the plunge into EVE last week. To say it's overwhelming is an understatement but i like it so far. I like the massive sandbox format. Just go out and do whatever. Im kind of a loner, although i did join up with a new, small mining corp. The seem like good people, i get no impression that anyone is out to scam (and the fact that they've already given my payouts is a good thing.) But i figured the best way to get to know the game is to play with some folks.

First of all, let me say how genuinely impressed i am with the overall helpfulness of the forum and the folks that i've come across thus far in help chat, etc. It seems to be a community that, for the most part, is accepting of new players. I also like the honestly in what to expect. "You will get killed... people will try to scam you... trust no one... etc." You expect a certain amount of douchery in any mmorg, but i like the fact that i've been seeing threads where folks have actually had productive conversations with people that have killed them, to learn from mistakes.

I'm starting out small, just doing agent assignments and mining. From what i've seen, it will be a long, long while before i can entertain the idea of PvP or FW actions.

I will say that i have been reading the forums and there is a lot of good advice and tips for more advanced players (advanced even on a novice level) But i do have a request and maybe this will become a bigger tip list (or maybe this kind of exists elsewhere, if it does... apologies,) but i'd like to ask the forum and seasoned players: What are your three big tips for a new player (in layman's terms, please... i'm still learning what abbreviations and colloquialisms mean.)

Any help would be most appreciated.


Phugoid
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:12:00 - [2]
 

Hi, and welcome to Eve!
Im not even 2 years old yet Eve wise, but I play every day, and Im addicted...... 3 tips? hmmm

1) Dont get discouraged when you will lose a nice ship and millions of ISKs
2) try to keep a couple or so trusted friends around, and in contact. U'll make friends, but many atimes you/they will move on to diff corps and lose touch. I have found that its always a good idea to stay in touch with at least a couple of them, and eventually u may end up in the same corp again.
3) And always remember why u play the game, dont let the idiots, griefers, gankers ruin the game for ya. Dont let anyone take the "fun" away from the game Smile

Leetha Layne
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:19:00 - [3]
 

One tip: Don't move into a larger ship until you have the skills to use it effectively.

Many folks aim for level 4 missions, race to a battleship, then lose it.

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:20:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
What are your three big tips for a new player (in layman's terms, please... i'm still learning what abbreviations and colloquialisms mean.)


1. Do it.
2. Assess your mistakes, get better. Get advice from others.
3. Do it again.

This applies to all areas of the game. You don't need to wait months, weeks or even days to PVP, you can do it from the start.

gfldex
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:24:00 - [5]
 

Start to PvP while your ships are cheap.

Aljarra Todako
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:54:00 - [6]
 

gfldex, good point. I didnt think of that, but i suppose it does make sense to loose a lot while the ships are cheaper. Is going into PvP with a reasonable equipped frigate (like a rifter) a good idea?

Also, what about this noise ive been reading about regarding your fleet turning on you because they think your a spy? How does one even become a spy?

Aljarra Todako
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:57:00 - [7]
 

Thanks, Phugoid! And good advice. I've already had a ship destroyed and a full can ore stolen by a rat in a astroid belt... very disappointing. So i get what your saying.

Originally by: Phugoid
Hi, and welcome to Eve!
Im not even 2 years old yet Eve wise, but I play every day, and Im addicted...... 3 tips? hmmm

1) Dont get discouraged when you will lose a nice ship and millions of ISKs
2) try to keep a couple or so trusted friends around, and in contact. U'll make friends, but many atimes you/they will move on to diff corps and lose touch. I have found that its always a good idea to stay in touch with at least a couple of them, and eventually u may end up in the same corp again.
3) And always remember why u play the game, dont let the idiots, griefers, gankers ruin the game for ya. Dont let anyone take the "fun" away from the game Smile

gfldex
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:58:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
gfldex, good point. I didnt think of that, but i suppose it does make sense to loose a lot while the ships are cheaper. Is going into PvP with a reasonable equipped frigate (like a rifter) a good idea?


Rifter works very well.

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
Also, what about this noise ive been reading about regarding your fleet turning on you because they think your a spy? How does one even become a spy?


If I would tell you I would have to kill you.

Hakkar'al Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.27 18:03:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
What are your three big tips for a new player (in layman's terms, please... i'm still learning what abbreviations and colloquialisms mean.)



1. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. (Meaning, you can't replace it - including modules you had fitted). This can fill all three slots tbh.
2. You are not safe in high sec. (Meaning, yes you can legally be killed in high sec.)
3. Join a player corp. (EVE is much more enjoyable with friends).

Aljarra Todako
Posted - 2011.07.27 18:14:00 - [10]
 

HA! fair enough.

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
Also, what about this noise ive been reading about regarding your fleet turning on you because they think your a spy? How does one even become a spy?


If I would tell you I would have to kill you.



MyOtherSlave
Posted - 2011.07.27 18:45:00 - [11]
 

Welcome to Eve, Sir.

My three top tips:

1) I have nothing against mining - but don't get caught in the trap. Skill some basic PvP skills up to level 3 (they only take a few hours each) and encourage your corpies to do the same. Then go out and ninja, PvP, mission, suicide gank, scam, irritate people and generally experience other things. Mining can be a bit of a trap if you pursue it too hard to the exclusion of everything else as you have a steady income. There is more than one way to skin a cat! If in doubt about something Google is without doubt your friend.

2) After #1 - after 3 months of generally messing about, evaluate what you have enjoyed / hated or are indifferent to. Think about starting a plan to specialise into your chosen area. Tools such as EveMon and Eve Fitting Tool (EFT) will help you do this. After 6 months - re-evaluate again and don't be afraid to change. Give your plans time to come into fruition.

3) Enjoy it. Don't get bored. Don't get stuck in ruts. Talk to new people and make new friends. It's a social game for the most part and meeting new people will expand your universe and your opportunities within the sandbox. You will get more from the players than any NPCs, Asteroids or anything else. It's a MASSIVE game - explore it.

And I'm going to slip in a cheeky #4

4) Don't EVER be scared to try and do something - even if you fail. It's how you learn - experience is king in Eve.

Enjoy yourself and fly safe - see you out there sometime. Very Happy

Greygal
Gallente
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
Posted - 2011.07.27 19:02:00 - [12]
 

Definitely don't wait to start pvp'ing - start right now, before you have a hundreds of millions worth of implants in your head, flying faction-fit Ravens or whatever. Do it now - fly fearlessly and cheaply!

Buy a dozen frigates, fit them out with mission loot drops (which will result in some *lol* fittings), hop in them with some of your new friends, fleet up and go roam low and null sec.

Half the people will run away from your small gang - the other half will shred you to pieces. But you'll never stop laughingVery Happy Rinse and repeat till all your frigates are gone... then do it again the next week!

Mining is relaxing, especially with a few alcoholic beverages of your choice and some good music, but what's the use of making all those iskies if you don't ever do anything fun with them? Be a bloodthirsty carebear - it's so very satisfying Very Happy

GG



A Frost
Posted - 2011.07.27 19:27:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: A Frost on 27/07/2011 19:32:43
From my bio.

EVE Rules.

1. Fly what you can afford to lose.
2. Always have an updated clone.
3. Don't use autopilot to travel
4. Jita local is evil
5. Flying a few ships well is better than flying many badly.
6. Dont smack talk.
7. There is no griefing, EVE is harsh, Deal with it.
8. Don't be afraid to lose your ship.
9. Killboard efficiency doesnt show how much fun you are having.
10. If you are flying Electronic warfare and shooting the target you are too damn close.
11. Bigger ships are not always better.
12. Trust must be earned and is always limited
13. Making mistakes is acceptable. Making the same one over and over again is not.
14. Never become an Eve Fitting Tool warrior
15. Dont mess with the Russians
16. A frigate lost today is a battleship saved tomorrow
17. Have your overview set up correctly
18. Directional scanner is your friend, use it.
19. Treat all people outside of high sec the same. That is assume the worst.

You will find that the eve community is pretty extreme. The best and worst of humanity exist in eve.


Aljarra Todako
Posted - 2011.07.27 19:47:00 - [14]
 

ok so can i ask a question about this then?

lets say i just throw caution to the wind, load up a rifter with ammo and shields and head out.... where should i head out to? i mean, lets say i join the military faction in my area. Do i get coordinates to fly out to and just join up with other random people/fleets? (This question assumes i have not yet made friends who want to go out and fight as a fleet yet.) Or is that not the best way to start PvPing? Should i just go to null space and start looking for outlaws?

Originally by: Greygal
Definitely don't wait to start pvp'ing - start right now, before you have a hundreds of millions worth of implants in your head, flying faction-fit Ravens or whatever. Do it now - fly fearlessly and cheaply!

Buy a dozen frigates, fit them out with mission loot drops (which will result in some *lol* fittings), hop in them with some of your new friends, fleet up and go roam low and null sec.

Half the people will run away from your small gang - the other half will shred you to pieces. But you'll never stop laughingVery Happy Rinse and repeat till all your frigates are gone... then do it again the next week!

Mining is relaxing, especially with a few alcoholic beverages of your choice and some good music, but what's the use of making all those iskies if you don't ever do anything fun with them? Be a bloodthirsty carebear - it's so very satisfying Very Happy

GG




Aljarra Todako
Posted - 2011.07.27 19:50:00 - [15]
 

Good tips, Frost! Thank you.

...lol at a glance i thought that meant "from my autobiography"... i was like wow, thats a seasoned player. ;)

Originally by: A Frost
Edited by: A Frost on 27/07/2011 19:32:43
From my bio.

EVE Rules.

1. Fly what you can afford to lose.
2. Always have an updated clone.
3. Don't use autopilot to travel
4. Jita local is evil
5. Flying a few ships well is better than flying many badly.
6. Dont smack talk.
7. There is no griefing, EVE is harsh, Deal with it.
8. Don't be afraid to lose your ship.
9. Killboard efficiency doesnt show how much fun you are having.
10. If you are flying Electronic warfare and shooting the target you are too damn close.
11. Bigger ships are not always better.
12. Trust must be earned and is always limited
13. Making mistakes is acceptable. Making the same one over and over again is not.
14. Never become an Eve Fitting Tool warrior
15. Dont mess with the Russians
16. A frigate lost today is a battleship saved tomorrow
17. Have your overview set up correctly
18. Directional scanner is your friend, use it.
19. Treat all people outside of high sec the same. That is assume the worst.

You will find that the eve community is pretty extreme. The best and worst of humanity exist in eve.



gfldex
Posted - 2011.07.27 21:49:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
lets say i just throw caution to the wind, load up a rifter with ammo and shields and head out.... where should i head out to? i mean, lets say i join the military faction in my area. Do i get coordinates to fly out to and just join up with other random people/fleets? (This question assumes i have not yet made friends who want to go out and fight as a fleet yet.) Or is that not the best way to start PvPing? Should i just go to null space and start looking for outlaws?


Find a FW corp that is recruiting noobs. If you don't know where to go find somebody who looks like he knows where he wants to go and follow him.

I would like to point out that mining and PvP is not overly compatible.

Sir Hillary
Posted - 2011.07.28 09:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
ok so can i ask a question about this then?

lets say i just throw caution to the wind, load up a rifter with ammo and shields and head out.... where should i head out to? i mean, lets say i join the military faction in my area. Do i get coordinates to fly out to and just join up with other random people/fleets? (This question assumes i have not yet made friends who want to go out and fight as a fleet yet.) Or is that not the best way to start PvPing? Should i just go to null space and start looking for outlaws?


The best thing to do to start off would either be to find a nice loop of low-sec systems and travel around them to see what you can find (best done in a fleet), or go touring hi-sec asteroid belts flipping cans. People look down on can-flipping, but when you're starting out, it's a great way to get experience, and will teach you the agro mechanics. The 6 month old guy jetcan mining in a Hulk in a 1.0 system more than likely has about the same amount of PvP experience as you do, and if he brings out a combat ship to see you off, you'll get a good fight. Like other people have said, fit cheap to start off, and chuck yourself into every fight that presents itself, even if it looks like suicide. The fights that taught me the most were the ones against more experienced players with better fits where I went down in flames.

Starnap
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2011.07.28 11:45:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
I've already had a ship destroyed and a full can ore stolen by a rat in a astroid belt... very disappointing.


Rats are the NPC pirates, they don't steal your ore...

What you encountered was a canflipper YARRRR!!

Taurean Eltanin
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.07.28 12:37:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
ok so can i ask a question about this then?

lets say i just throw caution to the wind, load up a rifter with ammo and shields and head out.... where should i head out to? i mean, lets say i join the military faction in my area. Do i get coordinates to fly out to and just join up with other random people/fleets? (This question assumes i have not yet made friends who want to go out and fight as a fleet yet.) Or is that not the best way to start PvPing? Should i just go to null space and start looking for outlaws?



If you are serious about pvp, check out my blog. It is a record of my pvp experience.

Six months ago, shortly after finishing my trial period, I decided to teach myself pvp. Now, I make my living at pvp. It's no path to riches, but I get to make my own rules and spend my time doing only what I want to do.

If only real life worked that way. Very Happy

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.07.28 14:52:00 - [20]
 

For Simple Straight Forward Combat you could try Red vs Blue.

There is a recruitment link in the link above. Also you can look up either one in your People and Places where you can click on the apply to join button at the bottom.


Blue Republic - HQ: Autaris ( Solar System )

Red Federation - HQ: Hageken ( Solar System )




1) Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. This means - have the ability to buy a replacement in hand before you even get in a ship. Essentially, if you can't afford to buy and fit two of them - then you can't afford to fly one of them. Along these lines - keep a reserve of ships, money, salable goods, whatever - NEVER - spend every last ISK on something. If buying that second ship would take everything you've got - you STILL can't afford to fly the first one. That said, if you still manage to lose everything anyway - don't whine in local begging for money. You get a free Rookie ship every time you dock your pod in a station where you don't already have a ship in the ships hangar - use that to start over. You've got as much as you started off with - plus the knowledge you gained along the way. Show some pride. Don't Beg. Suck it up and just start over.


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2) Don't take anything you read on the forums as Gospel. It's all just some guys opinion and he may be full of ****. Read what people have to say and then - think about it. They are not going to have to pay the consequences if you do what they say - you are.

Ships & Modules forum has a lot of ship fits. Look at them - and figure out why each module was included in that fit. Often times - modules are fit as part of an over all scheme whereby each module plays a certain part in that scheme often relative to some other module. Thus, you often see certain modules used in combination. Learn why they are used that way. Don't just take some fit you saw somewhere, slap it on your ship and assume you've done a good thing. Ships are tools. These tools can be configured in different ways to perform different tasks. A ship fit to perform one task well - may perform another task poorly. Know why a ship is fit a certain way before you copy it's design.

The same thing goes for advice about careers. Most people will tell you to do what they are doing. A lot of people don't like mining because they find it boring - so they'll tell you not to do it. If you find it boring too - then don't. But if you enjoy mining - learn what it's all about - learn what it's good for and what it isn't - and then do it if you want.

Most things have advantages and disadvantages. Understand what those are then act as you see fit.


____________________________________




3) Have fun. This is a game - not a job. If you're doing one thing and it's getting old - do something else for a while. Maybe you'll come back to what you were doing before - maybe you won't - but have fun.




Good Luck & Fly Safe.


.

Leetha Layne
Posted - 2011.07.29 00:49:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Leetha Layne on 29/07/2011 00:50:30
Have a look at this as well:

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Zensys
Posted - 2011.07.29 21:16:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Leetha Layne
One tip: Don't move into a larger ship until you have the skills to use it effectively.

Many folks aim for level 4 missions, race to a battleship, then lose it.


QFT

Froz3nEcho Sarain
Posted - 2011.07.29 22:09:00 - [23]
 

The official wiki page has LOTS of guides and info. I am a new player myself (almost 2,5 months) and I am pretty well settled in this game atm. Don't get discouraged what other people say. The game DOESN'T take that long to be good at things. The only problem I encountered so far is that the new stuff you lear about and want to do will grow way faster then your skills in eve so if you want to do multiple things at the time you will have to chose one. (example: Mining, manufacturing or missioning)

da go
Posted - 2011.07.29 23:01:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Aljarra Todako
What are your three big tips for a new player

F1
F2
F3
Originally by: Aljarra Todako
(in layman's terms, please... i'm still learning what abbreviations and colloquialisms mean.)

They are on your keyboard, top left.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.07.30 11:41:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: da go
Originally by: Aljarra Todako
What are your three big tips for a new player

F1
F2
F3
Originally by: Aljarra Todako
(in layman's terms, please... i'm still learning what abbreviations and colloquialisms mean.)

They are on your keyboard, top left.


Ha! Ha!

What he's referring to are keyboard short cuts to the first 3 high slots. You can hit those 3 keys faster than you can click on the modules.





VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.07.30 14:24:00 - [26]
 

I am still new, but I've been reading for a few months now and I'd like to present this as hindsight of another new player rather then as an experienced player.

1) Spend some time at frigate level reading carefully and train your skills that apply to everything. Core competency basic, Engineering V, Mechanic V, and some navigation basic certs will give you a easily a month or two to study and decide exactly what you want to do in EVE. I have only been playing a few months and already have accumulated a large amount of completely wasted skill points because they do not apply to what I found I liked most.

2) Look into NPC factions you can run missions for first, and pick where/why you want to run missions for one very early on so you can start doing their higher level missions straight away. I spent my early days hopping from agent to agent and now that I'm looking at cruiser skills vs assault frigates I still have no lv2's available.

3) Start your character over if you don't like how they look. Race has no effect beyond starter skills which are maybe a few hours of train time, and the free ship you get when you're destroyed -all of which are damn near identical in stats- so make sure you really like how your character looks NOW before you invest heavily in train time.
Take a minute to look at your other options. Gellente can have blue hair for example, and you wouldn't know that if you looked around and saw most other hair color palettes don't change much.


 

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