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Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:24:00 - [1]
 

Dust and WoD. Paraphrasing Rush Limbaugh, "I hope they fail."

Why? These projects are a major mistake. A negligent allocation of resources - that has completely undermined the EVE development process. And EVEN if they are marginally successful, as a PC gamer, they represent a completely undesirable change in focus towards console platforms.

I actually want to CCP get its fingers burned, so they can get back to EVE, ASAP. When Dust arrives, you can bet I'll do my best to discourage people from wasting their time and/or money on it.

So, fast forward a year or two. These new products released with little marketing or fanfare, promptly crash and burn in the marketplace. Console gamers are mystified as to why they should play a technologically inferior game on an aging platform, simply because it is somehow tied into some strange computer game they've never heard of - and don't appreciate.

Then what?
A) After a major shakeup in corporate management, CCP is financially sound enough to return to providing an excellent niche product.

B) Late 90's Cavedog scenario: Successful innovative small company destroyed by marketplace failure of their attempt to follow up on their initial success, and support for earlier products is discontinued. CCP goes Chapter 7 and its assets are liquidated.

Personally, I hope for A) these failures can provide a much needed lesson in humility for the devs, who seem to somehow think they are capable of more than providing a space-based MMORPG. Rolling Eyes

Sadly, based on the need to shoehorn MT into EVE, it is looking more like CCP has 'bet the farm' on its new projects, and Dust/WoD have a very real chance of dragging EVE to the icy bottom of the Atlantic. Tragic, really. Sad

What do others think?

EvEa Deva
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:27:00 - [2]
 

Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs

GusHobbleton
Minmatar
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:28:00 - [3]
 

Well, like every other MMO that failed, it will go Free2Play and get bought by Coreans.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:32:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


As long as they carry giant blaster rifles, everything is fine.

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:33:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


We would also get the Jove as a playable race, though you could probably trace their origins back to dark elfs thanks to blizzard. On the plus side though they probably give us a usable walk in station.

centurion zulu
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:34:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: centurion zulu on 26/07/2011 23:35:09
Originally by: Bart Starr
Dust and WoD. Paraphrasing Rush Limbaugh, "I hope they fail."

Why? These projects are a major mistake. A negligent allocation of resources - that has completely undermined the EVE development process. And EVEN if they are marginally successful, as a PC gamer, they represent a completely undesirable change in focus towards console platforms.

I actually want to CCP get its fingers burned, so they can get back to EVE, ASAP. When Dust arrives, you can bet I'll do my best to discourage people from wasting their time and/or money on it.

So, fast forward a year or two. These new products released with little marketing or fanfare, promptly crash and burn in the marketplace. Console gamers are mystified as to why they should play a technologically inferior game on an aging platform, simply because it is somehow tied into some strange computer game they've never heard of - and don't appreciate.

Then what?
A) After a major shakeup in corporate management, CCP is financially sound enough to return to providing an excellent niche product.

B) Late 90's Cavedog scenario: Successful innovative small company destroyed by marketplace failure of their attempt to follow up on their initial success, and support for earlier products is discontinued. CCP goes Chapter 7 and its assets are liquidated.

Personally, I hope for A) these failures can provide a much needed lesson in humility for the devs, who seem to somehow think they are capable of more than providing a space-based MMORPG. Rolling Eyes

Sadly, based on the need to shoehorn MT into EVE, it is looking more like CCP has 'bet the farm' on its new projects, and Dust/WoD have a very real chance of dragging EVE to the icy bottom of the Atlantic. Tragic, really. Sad

What do others think?



Chapter 7...........in Iceland ? ROFL

Everything else sounds good though.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:35:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: GusHobbleton
Well, like every other MMO that failed, it will go Free2Play and get bought by Coreans.


DUST is being built as F2P from the get go

But since this is a new thing for a console game they still need to charge you a bit to get it out of a physical store so they reimburse you the in-store cost with some AURUM type currency.

I've also heard CCP has a deal with Sony to port over to PS4 seamlessly (relatively) so that ppl can upgrade and keep playing (which im sure would have been an issue pulling off the same thing with Microsoft). I don't have an offhand source on that so I'm sure you'll all call bull**** on it but being stuck to a single console even after the new one is out isn't a new issue.

What I'm hopeful for is that the reverse is true, CCP farms the "console kiddies" to help develop EVE.....Twisted Evil

Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:35:00 - [8]
 

Then what? You come spiraling out of your dream world and realize that every game company that has ever existed has spent money from other games to build new ones.

I know this may be a complicated concept, but give it time.

I have slightly high hopes for Dust and the ability to interact with these players via my game.

WoD on the other hand, sort of neutral. Not a huge fan of vampires, as I like Space a lot more.

But, redundant thread is redundant.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:35:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


As long as they carry giant blaster rifles, everything is fine.


As long as they make the blasters actually good, everything is fine.

GusHobbleton
Minmatar
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.26 23:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Xercodo
Originally by: GusHobbleton
Well, like every other MMO that failed, it will go Free2Play and get bought by Coreans.


DUST is being built as F2P from the get go

Twisted Evil


I meant eve m8y

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:01:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


As long as it isn't SOE.


Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:06:00 - [12]
 

If DUST and WoD crash and burn, Eve follows. It's not like CCP will write off the millions of dollars and years of work they sunk into those games as just a costly learning experience. We should be cheering for the success of both, since success in DUST and WoD means more money to develop Eve.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:09:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


Yay for sporks, univeral utensil/soldier.

Nth Ares
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


Could be interesting, if disposable. CCP could stop wasting resources reinventing the wheel, and focus on generating new content.

So then we have a ready-made engine for walking in stations, perhaps even zones on planets, that supports walking, vehicles, and flying (WoW). A system for simultaneously harvesting resources and fighting battles on planet surfaces (Starcraft). An easy-to-use marketplace system that already has a working mobile app (again WoW). A conceptual framework for spawning large numbers of randomized NPC monsters and huge, frenzied battles (Diablo -> Incursions?)

Also maybe we can get a wormhole to the Koprulu Sector. I want to see how our EVE ships fare against a Protoss armada or the Zerg Swarm.

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:33:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
If DUST and WoD crash and burn, Eve follows. It's not like CCP will write off the millions of dollars and years of work they sunk into those games as just a costly learning experience. We should be cheering for the success of both, since success in DUST and WoD means more money to develop Eve.



In my view, success in Dust and WoD means more money for more stupid console projects and we end up with CCP's pale attempt to emulate Bungie.

Except its 10 years later, on an aging, also-ran console - without the talent of and resources of Bungie (a company which back in the 90's had extensive FPS experience which also produced a number of other successful games in other genres).

Brep
Gallente
Into The Pink
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:36:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


Yay for sporks, univeral utensil/soldier.

Laughing

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.27 01:03:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


As long as they carry giant blaster rifles, everything is fine.


As long as they make the blasters actually good, everything is fine.


a) l2p
b) I'm talking mobile blaster rifles carried by humanoids, not those fitted on ships

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2011.07.27 01:09:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Bart Starr
B) Late 90's Cavedog scenario: Successful innovative small company destroyed by marketplace failure of their attempt to follow up on their initial success, and support for earlier products is discontinued.


Ahh, Total Annihilation, my first love.

Thread derailment: Core or Arm?

Postrem Inkunen
Posted - 2011.07.27 01:13:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


As long as it isn't SOE.




In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised.

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.07.27 01:21:00 - [20]
 

I like Dust, Its been on its own separate team that's using the Unreal engine and its not eating resources or forcing beta tests of its code on EVE. It also can add a lot of cool depth into EVE online

World of Darkness Twilight Online however... all the EVE's development has been effectively stopped for this. Nothing major will happen in EVE unless its affects the sparkle queens and to make that bitter pill even worse, we are forced to beta test this garbage and do all the Q&A for it.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.27 01:51:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
If DUST and WoD crash and burn, Eve follows. It's not like CCP will write off the millions of dollars and years of work they sunk into those games as just a costly learning experience. We should be cheering for the success of both, since success in DUST and WoD means more money to develop Eve.

Honest question: why does the success of those other titles mean more money directed towards EVE development?

Is that part of CCP's long-term business plan that we'd all like to read? Has CCP publicly stated that they are going to re-direct revenue from those IPs into EVE development?

Jonas Xiamon
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.27 02:18:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: Bart Starr
B) Late 90's Cavedog scenario: Successful innovative small company destroyed by marketplace failure of their attempt to follow up on their initial success, and support for earlier products is discontinued.


Ahh, Total Annihilation, my first love.

Thread derailment: Core or Arm?


Arm, peewee all the way!

Kais N'ktal
Caldari
Ordos Humanitas
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.07.27 02:19:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: Bart Starr
B) Late 90's Cavedog scenario: Successful innovative small company destroyed by marketplace failure of their attempt to follow up on their initial success, and support for earlier products is discontinued.


Ahh, Total Annihilation, my first love.

Thread derailment: Core or Arm?


Arm represent!

Dolm De'Mourne
Posted - 2011.07.27 02:26:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
If DUST and WoD crash and burn, Eve follows. It's not like CCP will write off the millions of dollars and years of work they sunk into those games as just a costly learning experience. We should be cheering for the success of both, since success in DUST and WoD means more money to develop Eve.

Honest question: why does the success of those other titles mean more money directed towards EVE development?

Is that part of CCP's long-term business plan that we'd all like to read? Has CCP publicly stated that they are going to re-direct revenue from those IPs into EVE development?


Even if WOD revenue does not directly contribute to EVE, having it's dev budget come from it's own revenue would free up the revenue currently coming from EVE subs. If WoD fails, then obviously this will not be the case. If both WoD and Dust fail, then CCP would most likely start trying to create another project to bring in more revenue. And guess where the funds for it will come from.

I'll agree that Incarna is lackluster and concede that WoD/Dust development focus may have significantly contributed to that, but those projects failing seems like an even greater no win situation for us.

Tsukimaru
Amarr
Stargate SG-1
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.27 02:30:00 - [25]
 

Hey, shuddup foo. I've been dreaming of a VtM MMO since I played Bloodlines.
I hope WoD rocks socks!

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.07.27 02:56:00 - [26]
 

Yeah, ARM here as well. Flash tanks FTW. Gotta love a game that takes 5 years for the hardware to catch up. Supreme Commander was a case of close-but-not-quite, pretty, but didn't quite have economy issues worked out.

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2011.07.27 03:36:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Postrem Inkunen
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: EvEa Deva
Then blizzard buys CCP and we get space orcs


As long as it isn't SOE.




In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised.


In all seriousness...the sale is coming...it's just a matter of who. Most of the actions taken by CCP/WW the last 6-12 months indicate a company organizing itself for sale.


Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.07.27 03:42:00 - [28]
 

Reasons why WoD might be a stellar game.

jenette

Pisha

If ccp does a halfway decent job of putting the dark story line into WoD as described in the many many manuals written by White Wolf. Holy crap we are looking at a game that will be darker and just as bloody as eve.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.07.27 03:43:00 - [29]
 

I hope that Dust does well enough to warrant mild development (I like the idea, sounds fun).

I hope WoD does just well enough that CCP realizes they made a mistake and should work on EVE more without them going under (sorry folks, I'm biased against the undead other than the original).

Solosky
Posted - 2011.07.27 03:53:00 - [30]
 

LotRO went f2p a year ago. Guess what? Overcrowded by new and returned players (include me), tons of new content (Isengard update in September). Game's future seems to be bright.

As EVE player I'm interesting in Dust and WoD fail asap and either CCP re-focused on EVE again or sell it to someone who knows how to handle successful MMOs instead of wasting money on someone's vampire-related ambitions.


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