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Fee Seas
Posted - 2011.07.26 22:46:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Fee Seas on 26/07/2011 22:46:53
Edited by: Fee Seas on 26/07/2011 22:46:38
Re-posted (minus permission) from a thread on the forums of EVE University (in all of its insignificance).
Quote:

This thread owns. I'll drop a proper reply because I have a soft spot in my heart for Unistas, like all newbies (the other two major newbie-obsessed entities in EVE being GSF and TEST).

1. Of course we knew that wormholes were 'nullsec'. Whoever wrote that line in the minutes - probably Trebor, Meissa or Two Step - misrepresented what occured. We were surprised, however, that you could day-trip into wormholes and mine ABC from hisec.

2. I don't give a **** about wormholes or wormhole issues. That also means that I'm not expending any political capital 'chasing' an ABC nerf in wormholes. I think it's stupid, but it's a trivial issue compared to the sucking chest wounds that impact this game and wormholes aren't my area of space. If you're spazzing about the comment, odds are that you are, yourself, a trivial person.

3. CSMs represent their voters. They might claim to represent the entire playerbase. If they have that delusion, good for them; I operate in a realm of political realities.

4. Probably due to e-fame, of the 5365 votes I received, only 1700 came from my own alliance (we ran exit polls to determine the approx GSF count). If you voted for me, as far as I'm concerned, you deserve realposts and can evemail me anytime with your concerns about whatever. If you didn't vote for me, I don't care about your opinion, and might go out of my way to actively antagonize you because, as a sadist, I enjoy hurting people I dislike.

5. If you think the election was 'rigged' you're a joke. Nullsec is incredibly organized in order to survive. CSM5 demonstrated to nullsec that power in the hands of the ignorant could be incredibly damaging to the game, so Nullsec seized the CSM by out-organizing everyone else.

6. There's a tremendous amount of influence and power within the CSM, but it's not a explicitly delineated power. This means that babbys who don't understand how power works see it as powerless - which suits me fine, because then they don't vote and tell their friends not to vote. This makes it easier for someone who's organized and motivated - like me - to win. Babbys can make badposts about how the CSM is powerless, I'll have quiet conversations at 3am in bars in Reykjavik with key devs to try to convince them to fix the broken areas of the game. Win-win. This is already paying off with TiDi, Iterative Ship Balance, and I hope - judging from the public statements in interviews and such - supercapital balancing.

7. I'm 'arrogant' because I don't care what most people think, and I'm secure in my life and my position ingame. I've 'won' EVE - accomplishing various goals I set for myself (every man's 'win EVE' is dfferent) - so many times now that I don't really give a **** anymore. The Great War was won, I did a bunch of crazy espionage crap and I've successfully led one of the best blocs in the game. If that makes me arrogant, whatevs - New Eden tramples the humble.


http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45565&start=90

Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.07.27 01:23:00 - [2]
 

Good post. You mad?

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:44:00 - [3]
 

I really doubt The Mittani needs any help trolling these forums..

Jonas Xiamon
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:58:00 - [4]
 

*FAP FAP FAP FAP*

SO GLAD I VOTED FOR HIM

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:20:00 - [5]
 

I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.


Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:50:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Zirse on 28/07/2011 23:08:36
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.




Where do you draw that conclusion from?

1. This forum's consenus holds no weight. It is not representive of any EVE community at large. For one, many players do not participate with any forums, whatsoever. Second, there is a large percentage of bittervets and nullsec players that avoid these forums on account of their inconceivable levels of stupid.

2. Nullsec is not narrow or exclusive. You too, can play in nullsec, if you wanted. Whether or not you want to is irrelevant. There are many, many people playing the nullsec game and many of these people have more than two accounts. Some of these accounts are based in high-sec, vastly inflating the 'high-sec' majority of players.

The Mittani had the lions share of votes from accounts that bothered to vote. Its pretty simple really.

Super Chair
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.07.29 18:16:00 - [7]
 

Just because an e-tard gets elected to CSM doesnt mean the game is going to be changed to benefit themselves on a whim.

Zulu throwing the *tard line over the whole WH ABC ores thing gave me hope that CCP is not just going to bend over and make poor game design decisions in the future just because the CSM are more interested in altering game mechanics to forward their own nullsec agendas rather than help influence game design for the sake of good game design. I hope CCP realizes this.

The time and effort nullsec alliances spend to screw eachother over to RMT could probably have been better spent in the real world.

Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.29 21:48:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Super Chair
Just because an e-tard gets elected to CSM doesnt mean the game is going to be changed to benefit themselves on a whim.



Which is exactly why anyone who is crying about ABCs in wormholes is a moron. The CSM is a sounding board, not a scrum team. They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP. CCP is still responsible for their decisions. If you honestly think its a cart blanche to bend the game to nullsec will then wow, you are ******ed.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.30 09:41:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: J Kunjeh on 30/07/2011 09:41:46
Originally by: Fee Seas

Re-posted (minus permission) from a thread on the forums of EVE University (in all of its insignificance).

This thread owns. I'll drop a proper reply because I have a soft spot in my heart for Unistas, like all newbies (the other two major newbie-obsessed entities in EVE being GSF and TEST).


4. Probably due to e-fame, of the 5365 votes I received, only 1700 came from my own alliance (we ran exit polls to determine the approx GSF count). If you voted for me, as far as I'm concerned, you deserve realposts and can evemail me anytime with your concerns about whatever. If you didn't vote for me, I don't care about your opinion, and might go out of my way to actively antagonize you because, as a sadist, I enjoy hurting people I dislike.

http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45565&start=90


Mittens is making it more clear with every post that he is quickly becoming the sucking chest-wound in the CSM. Still love ya Mittens, for all of your asshattery and douchebaggery (and your great TTH column), but the CSM, CCP and the players deserve a far better CSM chairman.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.07.30 10:09:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Zirse
They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP.


What knowledge?
Mittens admitted that till very recently he didn't even know about ABC's in all WH's.
Just makes me wonder howmuch else (common information) he isn't aware of and just pretends to know a lot about because he doesn't want to look like a complete idiot, but in the meantime has a group of other rejects that "spoon"feed him information.


Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.30 15:00:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Zirse
They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP.


What knowledge?
Mittens admitted that till very recently he didn't even know about ABC's in all WH's.
Just makes me wonder howmuch else (common information) he isn't aware of and just pretends to know a lot about because he doesn't want to look like a complete idiot, but in the meantime has a group of other rejects that "spoon"feed him information.




No one knows everything about EVE. Mittens and Co. have a strong sense of nullsec mechanics, precisely why the nullsec block voted them in. I don't give too much of a **** about wormholes beyond that I think they are cool, but until the dscan is overhauled, they too much of a pain in the ass.

Lakitel
Posted - 2011.07.30 17:35:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Zirse
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Zirse
They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP.


What knowledge?
Mittens admitted that till very recently he didn't even know about ABC's in all WH's.
Just makes me wonder howmuch else (common information) he isn't aware of and just pretends to know a lot about because he doesn't want to look like a complete idiot, but in the meantime has a group of other rejects that "spoon"feed him information.




No one knows everything about EVE. Mittens and Co. have a strong sense of nullsec mechanics, precisely why the nullsec block voted them in. I don't give too much of a **** about wormholes beyond that I think they are cool, but until the dscan is overhauled, they too much of a pain in the ass.


WHs are not some obscure part of the game that nobody ever hears about or gets into. Even more so, WHs are considered null sec and technically that means they fall under null sec mechanics, which makes the fact that he doesn't know about them an even more glaring error.

Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.30 20:52:00 - [13]
 

You're arguing about sematics now. When I say nullsec, I mean conquerable space. I would really hope you'd have assumed that-- you must be new.

Unless you have an interest in WHs, you tend not to spend much time in them. Pretty simple really.


Reana Shadows
Caldari
Damocles Society
Quebec United Legions
Posted - 2011.07.30 23:34:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Reana Shadows on 30/07/2011 23:51:31

Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Zirse
They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP.


What knowledge?
Mittens admitted that till very recently he didn't even know about ABC's in all WH's.
Just makes me wonder howmuch else (common information) he isn't aware of and just pretends to know a lot about because he doesn't want to look like a complete idiot, but in the meantime has a group of other rejects that "spoon"feed him information.




So if I understand correctly this guy Fee Seas is the alt of our beloved CSM leader maximo Laughing

This is freaking burlesqueLaughing

I guess we get what we deserve... Me for instance when I vote for the CSM reps I look for a canadian and I vote for him regardless of what he or she writes in his electoral platform. Maybe we should carefull to whom we give our vote toRolling Eyes

By the way I took the time to read what he wrote and seriously I cryed laughing so hard. At least he has the talent to keep his audience well entertained.

Lakitel
Posted - 2011.07.31 07:13:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Zirse
You're arguing about sematics now. When I say nullsec, I mean conquerable space. I would really hope you'd have assumed that-- you must be new.

Unless you have an interest in WHs, you tend not to spend much time in them. Pretty simple really.




Of course I'm arguing semantics now, that's why I said "Technically", you know why? Because the arguments you made make absolutely no sense what so ever. If you know anything about running on a platform, or politics in general, then you'd be well aware that any representative should fully comprehend an issue before making a comment on it. Saying something like "Taking a hulk to a C1 WH to day trip" obviously shows the LACK of awareness of the whole WH issue. Which is the point I'm making.

And new to what? The English language? I think I know a lot more about it than you do. I also, obviously, know more about politics and this game than you do too. You know, this is the problem with you null sec'ers, all you do is whine, complain and insult people in the face of a valid argument instead of actually coming up with an original opinion (I know how hard that must be for you).

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.08.01 06:39:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Zirse
Edited by: Zirse on 28/07/2011 23:08:36
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.




Where do you draw that conclusion from?


Quote:

Probably due to e-fame, of the 5365 votes I received, only 1700 came from my own alliance (we ran exit polls to determine the approx GSF count).
...
If you didn't vote for me, I don't care about your opinion


I guess it's pretty safe to say he doesn't care about the opinion of most of the EVE players, because most of the EVE players did not vote all which means they also didn't vote for him.

I think it's also quite delusional to believe he represents the opinions of those people who voted for him.
He represents his own opinion and nothing else.
He just claims that people voted for him because they had/have the same opinion.
Which is either incredibly naive or just more spin (I'm assuming the latter, but you can never be sure...)

Do you really believe he cared about anyone else's interests when he was sitting with a dev in a bar at 3 am, talking about how the game should develop?

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.01 15:30:00 - [17]
 

i do love threads like these where you get together and whine and cry about me; please make more

Lakitel
Posted - 2011.08.01 16:05:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
i do love threads like these where you get together and whine and cry about me; please make more


No problems! We aim to please! Unlike the CSM and CCP :).

Lady McSexyPants
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:33:00 - [19]
 

Oh no my hisec pubbie concerns aren't being addressed. A BLOO BLOO BLOO

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.01 20:47:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cedille Mureau
I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.


What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?

Ha.

CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~

Reana Shadows
Caldari
Damocles Society
Quebec United Legions
Posted - 2011.08.01 23:15:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
i do love threads like these where you get together and whine and cry about me; please make more


Who called you in this discussionLaughing

Lakitel
Posted - 2011.08.02 06:40:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Lakitel on 02/08/2011 09:45:42
Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.


What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?

Ha.

CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~


While technically yes a representative is supposed to represent their constituents, any body like the CSM should have representatives from each constituency in equal amounts so that everybody gets represented equally. L2Politics.

Edit:

Let me also add that theory aside, even in real life there is a representative from each constituency, the number of representatives (with their voting weight) differ depending on how many of a certain constituency there is. So for example (and these numbers are completely hypothetical) if 60% of the players are high sec, 20% from low sec, 10% from null sec and 10% from WHs, that means in a team of 10 representatives, 6 should be from high-sec, 2 should be from low sec, and 1 from each null sec and WHs.

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.08.02 13:36:00 - [23]
 


Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:29:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.


What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?

Ha.

CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~

Why your wrong...

First line:
Originally by: CCP
The Council of Stellar Management (CSM) is a player-elected council to represent the views of the players to CCP.

Aryndel Vyst
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.02 19:12:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.


What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?

Ha.

CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~

Why your wrong...

First line:
Originally by: CCP
The Council of Stellar Management (CSM) is a player-elected council to represent the views of the players to CCP.




You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?

I'll answer that for you....no you do not.

Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.02 22:35:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Zirse on 03/08/2011 08:54:24
Originally by: Lakitel
Edited by: Lakitel on 02/08/2011 09:45:42
Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Cedille Mureau
I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?

Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.


What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?

Ha.

CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~


While technically yes a representative is supposed to represent their constituents, any body like the CSM should have representatives from each constituency in equal amounts so that everybody gets represented equally. L2Politics.

Edit:

Let me also add that theory aside, even in real life there is a representative from each constituency, the number of representatives (with their voting weight) differ depending on how many of a certain constituency there is. So for example (and these numbers are completely hypothetical) if 60% of the players are high sec, 20% from low sec, 10% from null sec and 10% from WHs, that means in a team of 10 representatives, 6 should be from high-sec, 2 should be from low sec, and 1 from each null sec and WHs.


Except for the fact that unlike the real world, players have multiple selves in multiple locations. You can't honestly think that CCP is going to spend time implementing checks and balances (and the headache that comes along with that) in the CSM when its such a non-factor PR stunt to begin with.


Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.03 04:15:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Aryndel Vyst
You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?

I'll answer that for you....no you do not.

Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.

I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.

I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile... Rolling Eyes

Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.03 08:53:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Aryndel Vyst
You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?

I'll answer that for you....no you do not.

Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.

I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.

I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile... Rolling Eyes


Nope, pretty sure CSM candidates aren't bound to any sort of agreement that makes them responsible for the entire player-base. Why would they spend the effort outside of their constituents, or more honestly, their area of preferred playstyle? Ideally, maybe they should, but this is EVE.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.08.03 14:56:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Aryndel Vyst
You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?

I'll answer that for you....no you do not.

Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.

I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.

I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile... Rolling Eyes

Then you understand how lobbyists work. So, Mittens didn't have to explain why it would be dumb for him to discuss wormholes with CCP. Not to mention he would be a hypocrite after railing against the previous CSM for talking about null sec while living in empire.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.03 15:51:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.

I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.

I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile... Rolling Eyes

Then you understand how lobbyists work. So, Mittens didn't have to explain why it would be dumb for him to discuss wormholes with CCP. Not to mention he would be a hypocrite after railing against the previous CSM for talking about null sec while living in empire.


Ummmm, that is *in so many words* exactly what he did... Very Happy


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