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Manwe Todako
Minmatar
Disciples of Ston
Posted - 2011.07.26 17:19:00 - [1]
 

For those unfamiliar with what we are doing…The Disciples of Ston have been seeking to discover and describe the phenomena associated with reaching the core of a stellar mass. This link entitled hit the core shows the release of energy that occurs when the anti-singularity of a ship encounters the gravitational warp at the core of a stellar mass. A massive release of energy propelling the vessel away from the sun at enormous velocity is what occurs. We are calling this the Quasar Effect. If you expand the camera drone image you will note a velocity of 325,748,224 M/S. And this was not the peak. Pilot reaction time meant that he had already started to slow by the time the image was captured.

When we use the term “quasar effect” please understand that “quasar” only refers to the “effect” we are describing, not to the science behind it. We are using the name mostly out of a lack of a better descriptor.

Let us begin with canon, i.e., warp technology canon. The layman’s description may found here warp drive theory. It should be noted immediately that a warp drive cannot be based on a singularity but rather on an anti-singularity as described in the linked article. Why? A singularity consumes and continually adds matter and energy. Nothing survives a singularity. However, an anti-singularity is actual quite protective in nature. Note for example, that you can park your ship close to a massive body such as a star and not be pulled in by gravity. Why? The Anti-singularity generated by your ship negates the mass of your ship as far as the sun is concerned. By definition, an anti-singularity distorts all space outward; opposite that of a singularity. Indeed, an anti-singularity negates all mass and energy while a singularity concentrates the same. That is also why your regular thrusters are used to move through the ultra-vacuum of the anti-singularity. Unlike a singularity, an anti-singularity has little effect on that which generates it, i.e. your ship.

Assumption: As we described the journey to the stellar core, we have guessed that the anti-sigularity remains stable and does not collapse even though one “drops out of warp” so to speak. The visual evidence supports this contention. As you approach the core, there is a matter/energy tunnel behind the ship the whole way in.

Hypothesis: Upon reaching the core where matter and energy are exceedingly great, the “laser locked field” (see article above) loses its integrity under the stress of heat, pressure, and enormous gravity. Nature abhors a vacuum, the anti-singularity siphons off a bit of that massive matter/energy at the sun’s core. What happens then? Small on a cosmic scale, but large on a personal scale, that matter/energy releases itself in the ultra-vacuum of the anti-singularity. The release and expansion of energy works instantly upon the tiny vessel, accelerating it to hundreds of millions of meters per second almost at once.

Mystery: Such acceleration doesn’t seem possible without annihilating the structural integrity of the ship. This needs more study. Perhaps the collapse of the anti-singularity is gradual enough to protect the vessel until it decelerates and is safe distance from the sun. As the anti-singularity collapses, the gravitation pull of the sun works on the mass of the ship slowing it down until the anti-singularity re-establishes. If one would repeat this rapidly, it would appear much like a small quasar as energy pulsed outward with the repeated collision of anti-singularity with gravitational warp. That's where we get our corny name "quasar effect."

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.26 17:27:00 - [2]
 

Sounds like outstandingly interesting experiment. May lead to wonderful technological breakthroughs that will negate Gates use and allow direct warp to distant stars. Of course it will take much more time then gate travel but what an astonishing adventage to invasion fleets to appear anywhere the time they chose.
Hope your group will succeed in research and development of this technology for market sales.

Edaine Numenor
Gallente
Disciples of Ston
Posted - 2011.07.26 18:24:00 - [3]
 

Don't hold your breath for the Disciples of Ston to develop this for war or profit. They believe in neither. But, since they share their knowledge freely, I am sure someone will exploit it. Why I really replied was to show everyone one more capture, this as the ship was thrown back 100,000+ KM fromt he star. It has begun to slow but is still at incredible speed. Thrown

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.07.26 18:27:00 - [4]
 

I have offered an alternative explanation here. Hopefully it clears up any questions that remained.

Manwe Todako
Minmatar
Disciples of Ston
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:12:00 - [5]
 

The stabilizing factors that preserve the integrity of the anti-singularity warp field of capsuleer ships are not invulnerable to the forces present in space. Capsuleers take greater and greater risks as they venture into space. A worthy task of the Disciples would be to gather data on the extent of those risks as it relates to the vulnerability of our technology.

I hope the ἀληθεία will be a helpful tool in the gathering of that data.

Manwe Todako
Minmatar
Disciples of Ston
Posted - 2011.07.29 13:40:00 - [6]
 

I have an update on the quasar effect that we have described here. With the help of Ston, flying his egg and Edaine flying his Iteron, we have tested a prediction. The prediction: The mass of of a vessel determines several things: 1. Its weight in any given gravitational field. 2. The power necessary to sustain an anti-singularity field (warp field). From these two facts is derived the following prediction. Upon the collapse of said Anti-singularity field in a stellar core, the release of energy will be some proportion or exponent of the mass of the vessel. The distance each mass is repelled will be determined by its momentum at its peak velocity and the gravitational field of the stellar mass.

What is the upshot? Large vessels will be blown back much farther than small vessels. Experimental proof: Ston's egg was blown back but not even far enough to register a distance on the Nav Com (0 KM). Edaine's Iteron was blown back over 2,100,000 KM as registered on the Nav Com.

We would be very grateful for some kind pilot to provide us data on a very heavy vessel such as a freighter. Imagine the force involved in moving a freighter millions of KM is seconds. We want to assure any volunteers that the process is safe. we have been repeating this experiment with no damage to vessel or clone body. That is yet a mystery.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.07.29 15:23:00 - [7]
 

Confirming your results. Though I do not rememner the numbers, I experimented with a capsule, an Incursus-class frigate, and a Retriever-class mining barge. The capsule was flung the shortest distance, the Incursus the second-shortest distance, and finally the Retriever was flung the longest distance from the star of the ships.

Also, it's actually pretty well-known that the mass of the ship determines its interaction with the gravitational field by the law of universal gravitation. That is, F = G*(m1*m2/d^2) where "m1" and "m2" are the masses of the star and ship, "d" the distance between the star and the ship, and "G" is the universal gravitational constant.

What was unexpected in my tests was that the mass of the ship also determines the energy needed to create a warp field. I tested this by using an Executioner-class frigate and warping a set distance. When I had no modules fit and warping to a nearby station about a single "bar" on the capacitor interface was depleted. When I strapped a 10MN afterburner (which adds significant mass) to the ship nearly a third of the capacitor was depleted! Further evidence of the relationship between mass and energy needed to create a warp field is mining barges. They have a warp speed of 6 AU/s, which means they have strong warp fields (just as strong as frigates). However they have much higher masses than frigates, and so while you can warp a distance of 100 AU in a frigate with little trouble the mining barge will actually have to stop mid-warp, let the capacitor recharge, and then begin warping again.

Manwe Todako
Minmatar
Disciples of Ston
Posted - 2011.07.29 18:20:00 - [8]
 

Rek, Thanks for the valuable info. Question, Do you have any theories, or thoughts on how such extreme acceleration is survived by the clone body? The acceleration and deceleration in the pod experiment is extreme beyond measure. The pod accelerates to millions of meters per second and decelerates to zero in about a second or a little more. Your thoughts on why the body doesn't turn to jelly? We think it might be a reforming warp field/gravitational field interaction, but we do not know how to express it at this time. Thoughts?
Thanks

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.07.29 18:39:00 - [9]
 

Well with the warp drive you're not actually moving faster than your regular impulse engines, at least in a local sense. Otherwise regardless of ship type going from 0 m/s to quite a few AU/s would just obliterate anything.

The whole operating principle of warp drives is that they manipulate spacetime in such a way so as to effectively shorten the distance your ship needs to travel from point A to point B, so that even at 180 m/s (around the pod's usual speed) you cross a vast distance because the intermittent space is highly contracted or bent. So you're not really going faster than 180 m/s.

Manwe Todako
Minmatar
Disciples of Ston
Posted - 2011.08.01 03:35:00 - [10]
 

According to Ston, a pilot in Piekura was convinced to take a trip to the core to experience the phenomena for himself. We are glad for this and hope to repeat this effort in the future. The hope is for more and more independent inquiry into the physical phenomena of the universe that can follow such an experience.


 

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