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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.26 21:55:00 - [61]
 

CCP should hire SOE to learn how to finish this game off(ruin) once and for all, you guys are taking too long.




Rindon Callsar
Posted - 2011.07.26 22:42:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Rindon Callsar on 26/07/2011 22:42:47
Something very fishy is going on here. CCP has been exalted for being very very very open with information to their community for an extremely long time....
Then Incarna came out and the whole debacle with blatant disregard for what the community wants. Now it seems they are cutting even more information out from us by removing the QEN.

CCP, pull your heads out of your arses and go back to being the company that people held in high regard. The steps you are taking now are going to bite you in the arse so hard that a lot of people are going to turn their backs and run from anything with a CCP stamp on it......



CCP the next SOE?
I.E. "Hey community, f*** you pay me." mentality.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.07.27 08:12:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 27/07/2011 09:30:10

... it was fun knowing more about how the economy worked...

I was thinking, even with the move to MTs the economica part of the game would still be vibrant and complex...

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.27 12:36:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen
Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?


We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.

We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.


This is unacceptable. Stand by for another threadnaught.

C.


Sverre Haakonson
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.28 06:57:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen
Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?


This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis.



I'm hoping this future is not to far.

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.07.28 08:57:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen
Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?


We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.

We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.


This is unacceptable. Stand by for another threadnaught.

C.




Doubtful, hardly anyone noticed the may minutes, the aurum gifts to entice players to use the nex in order to 'hook' them on using it again, I doubt something like this will spur that beast to life.

Ella Scorpio
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.29 20:58:00 - [67]
 

I'm sure CCP is starting to feel like anything they say results in a threadnaught, but I hope they are listening. When I heard CCP had their own economist, I decided to see what this Eve thing was all about. I had never played in MMO before. It was the economics that attracted me to the game, and has kept me with 2 active accounts. I'm not saying I'm unsubbing, butI do hope CCP stops to think about what makes Eve unique. The economy is a big part of that, and CCP's past transparency and engagement is another.

KoffeeKup
Caldari
Gh0st Hunters
Sspectre
Posted - 2011.07.30 00:03:00 - [68]
 

This is fail whale meat covered in fail sauce. Thanks CCP for become less transparent and screwing us over yet again with the new NeX stuff. Glad to see the CSM meeting worked out so well for you guys.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.07.30 11:01:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Gnulpie on 30/07/2011 16:05:29

GRR GRR



You are freaking id**** and have absolutely no clue about what sort of sh!t you are producing recently.

I was quite loyal all the years, but the last :18 months: CCP is producing so much crap, it is hard to believe they are not purposefully want to destroy EVE. Well done, another successful blow.


HAVE YOU COMPLETELY LOST YOUR MINDS???

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.30 15:30:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen
Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?


We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.

We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.
When exactly did you come up with this grand plan to make economic data available for customer analysis? I don't recall mention of it when the 2010 Q4 QEN was released. [Disclosure: I couldn't bear to muscle through the QEN Fanfest video; the presentation was painful.]

What are the details of this plan? What is the time frame in which the plan will be executed? Who will be executing on this plan and through what channels should users of the data provide feedback?

Do you guys even have answers to the above?

I call bull$h1t on CCP's withholding of 20ll detailed data and Year-on-year comparisons of some of the common metrics that the player base likes to discuss.

Furthermore, I believe that CCP realized that the economic data was revealing too much factual product design analysis and intelligence to both its customers and competitors, exposing both EVE's and the company's weaknesses. What to do? Cut off the flow of information, of course. Rolling Eyes

SirHarryPierce
Posted - 2011.07.31 02:54:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen
Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?


We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.

We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.


*Assuming this is some sort of CCP miscommunication... not?*

Really, I read every QEN from AtoZ. I cant believe they will be gone.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2011.08.01 14:36:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 01/08/2011 14:38:45
Heres a suggestion...stop insulting your players by giving them 1000 AUR and saying go check out the store...only to find out us poor players who have little time and little money can buy some fancy POS boots.

THAT...is insulting.
Way to convince to use plex on this vanity crud.

Real smart.

What are the clothes supposed to do again? +1 to good looks? WOW.... great ability that is! Lot a good that will do in-game when I get my ass handed to me in a gate camp (Sarcasm)

I think ill save my ISK/PLEX's for things of value...such as a nice big ship with nice guns and a nice set of mods.

Yeah...that's the ticket.... forget the NeX store.


All this data does is prove the obvious elephant in the room... this was a big mistake.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:14:00 - [73]
 

I guess we're not going to get any more information on the first and second quarter economic activity numbers?

it would be kinda nice to get a "soon" or a "next time" sort of answer now that its been 2 weeks from the blog release.

Mishatola
Posted - 2011.08.12 15:11:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: Kandreath
Oh dear, a second post from me on this thread. Is that against some kind of rule?

I totally missed that the release of this devblog also signals the end of the QEN. ;(

I'm not a hardcore marketer, but I do take a good read of the QEN when it arrives. If nothing else I find the content interesting as it shows "cause and effect" relationships that you can leverage, is it's just interesting for its own sake.

Personally I do try to puzzle out what would be good to make/buy/trade based on QEN's. Just the indices do not give me the same insight.

Lets not forget the QEN gave good information on population, ships, manufactured goods ect. It is this information I'd miss them most. The QEN made my buy my Hurricane and a 5 run copy to try out.

Finally, there is more to Eve then Phew-Phew/Boom-Boom. The Player driven economy is one of the most amazing things to me about the game. The information in the QEN helps drive that. Sure sure, if the QEN has to go then that is that, but please provide the additional information (on top of the numbers given in this blog) some other way. - An API perhaps? - a supported third party that reports market trends?


A great post and one I agree with. I really like your suggestion at the bottom there about an API so that developers could make applications using the raw data. If they gave us more info via the API, then the QEN going away would sting a little less, though the QEN is a great loss in its own right. Having the Doc's analysis of the markets every quarter was a part of what made Eve real for me.


I knew if read long enough I'd find someone expesing my own thoughts on the subject, and here are two.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.08.17 01:38:00 - [75]
 

you would think Plex prices would fall when the NEX came out, after seeing absurd prices the people who stockpiled plex would sell them off and realize it is a stupid feature

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.08.22 09:32:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 22/08/2011 09:35:06
While I enjoyed reading the QEN when it was still here, losing it is not as big a blow as CCPs apparent tactic of "remove something, then add the replacement year or two afterward". Theres been too much of that recently.

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.08.22 16:26:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Herping yourDerp
you would think Plex prices would fall when the NEX came out, after seeing absurd prices the people who stockpiled plex would sell them off and realize it is a stupid feature


If you ask me that is a little backwards. The reason I say this is that we on the forums are the minority players of EvE. We may be more active and more involved but we are still a minority. The rest of the EvE players that don't visit the forums more than likely like the NeX store and with that purchased PLEX with ISK therefor increasing demand and raising prices.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.08.22 17:02:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Hakaru Ishiwara on 22/08/2011 18:48:47
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
you would think Plex prices would fall when the NEX came out, after seeing absurd prices the people who stockpiled plex would sell them off and realize it is a stupid feature


If you ask me that is a little backwards. The reason I say this is that we on the forums are the minority players of EvE. We may be more active and more involved but we are still a minority. The rest of the EvE players that don't visit the forums more than likely like the NeX store and with that purchased PLEX with ISK therefor increasing demand and raising prices.
See bolded parts. All of these statements are based upon assumptions. We do not know who likes what, how much ISK / RL Currency is being plowed into PLEX purchases or even the hard sales numbers for the NEX MegaTransaction Store. Heck, we do not know the percentage of human EVE account holders who actively contribute to EVE-O forum posts v. those who remain silent.

It is truthful to talk about personal observations (and likes/dislikes) and interactions in-game as well as what people are writing on these forums. It is valid to speculate on potential scenarios and to hypothesize on what might happen should a set of variables hold particular values.

The Q[uarterly]EN, despite its flaws, was a catalyst for discussion of the economic elements within the game -- for some, a tremendous draw to invest their time and hard-earned scratch into CCP's EVE Online service offering.

Currently, we have a project of unknown scope and delivery time that may provide economic data via the EVE Online API service. We also have the promise of an annual economic report of unknown scope. Considering CCP's proven track record of evaporating projects and features, CCP has removed one of the incentives for continued interest from its economics-minded customers.

That, to me, is highly disturbing and an indicator that something is rotten in Reykjavik.

[Edits: for the love of Engrish.]


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