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CCP Fallout

Posted - 2011.07.25 11:18:00 - [1]
 

CCP Recurve's new blog details the price indices for June 2011. Read all about it, and obtain the data here.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:23:00 - [2]
 

Graphs!

Hiram Alexander
Caldari
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:24:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Hiram Alexander on 25/07/2011 11:33:03
Indeed.


(edit)
Btw:

I see we don't have the required whine quota yet, so...

Quote:
The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions.


Are you having a laugh...? Is there someone in your department who expected the Plex prices to skyrocket? Nex was/is a disaster, so go figure... I wonder if the blip, had anything to do with griefer/loltears monocles, or folks like myself cashing in their worldly wealth for multi-plex because they refuse to pay any more 'til the game gets 'fixed' and/or CCP sees sense...?

JEANETTERS
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:31:00 - [4]
 

That damn debt ceiling debate, it's shutting down economies even in the virtual world.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:34:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: ChromeStriker on 25/07/2011 11:34:24

MOAR GRAPH!!!

and so my money making schemes are foiled again... Curse you CCP for this useful information!

Also IBC

Zevas
Infinitely Prolonged
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:35:00 - [6]
 

Quote:
The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions.


CCP - providing evidence their AURUM strategy failed. Priceless.

Dariel Ash
Caldari
Foetus Mart
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:40:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Dariel Ash on 25/07/2011 11:40:29
WTF?

But I like it! Thank you for devblogging.

As an aside, it IS interesting that PLEX prices only rose by about 0.4% in the month, and if CCP were good at PR (they haven't skilled this yes) they would have said that the NeX had over priced junk in it to prevent a sudden PLEX -> AURUM conversion in the majority of the player base thus causing the price of plex to rocket.

For now we'll just have to speculate that some of the people with stockpiles leaked them off to make sum extra profit.

Again, I love devblogs like this, nom nom nom.

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:54:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Hiram Alexander
Is there someone in your department who expected the Plex prices to skyrocket? Nex was/is a disaster, so go figure...

have you already forgotten how people were before the incarna release ? they were hoping, and the plex market had raised a lot, ready to buy cheap clothes to resell them... until they saw the truth and most of these canceled their plans.
plex price raised a lot before the launch, then crashed when seeing the patch.
ps : but it's true it's tempting to troll the blogger here xD

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.07.25 12:04:00 - [9]
 

Very Happy

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.07.25 12:08:00 - [10]
 

I wonder if the falling price of data cores is related to the lack of demand for ships?

Would people PvP less if their income stream was cut off at the knees?

Anna Grahm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.25 12:31:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Hiram Alexander
Edited by: Hiram Alexander on 25/07/2011 11:33:03
Indeed.


(edit)
Btw:

I see we don't have the required whine quota yet, so...

Quote:
The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions.


Are you having a laugh...? Is there someone in your department who expected the Plex prices to skyrocket? Nex was/is a disaster, so go figure... I wonder if the blip, had anything to do with griefer/loltears monocles, or folks like myself cashing in their worldly wealth for multi-plex because they refuse to pay any more 'til the game gets 'fixed' and/or CCP sees sense...?


A number of players were complaining that PLEX would skyrocket since people would convert it all into aurum. This blog post refutes the claim

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.07.25 12:32:00 - [12]
 

I wonder what the monicle sales graph looks like! Laughing

Kandreath
Posted - 2011.07.25 12:49:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Kandreath on 25/07/2011 12:49:29
Nice to see a new devblog. They seem to not be a frequent lately.

Is the price index going to be a regular blog now?

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.25 12:58:00 - [14]
 

Ahh...got my Dev Blog fix. I was going into convulsive shocks from a severe lack of Dev Blogginess. Oh and: GRAPHS!

Gripen
Posted - 2011.07.25 13:30:00 - [15]
 

Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.25 13:42:00 - [16]
 

[sarcasm]

So, they noticed how people are furiously trading PLEXes for AUR, right? They can't get enough PLEXes because everyone is so anxious to pay the appropiate, realistic, thoroughly thought out and ultimately affordable prices of EVE's MT scheme...

[/sarcasm]

OK, OK: probably the whole NEX failheap was not supposed to remove any PLEXes from the market nor sell any extra GTCs. But it's funny to see plexes for sell at 354 million.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.07.25 14:55:00 - [17]
 

Quote:
The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions.

Please tell me that you actually paid attention to the playerbase reaction when the Nex Store was released, and based on that reaction, you're not at all surprised that Plex prices fell.

If more Aurum-priced products had been released, at more varied price points, and had social areas been available for players to meet each other, then Plex prices would have risen.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.07.25 15:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Gripen
Is this blog a replacement for the QENs?

Question rectified.

TorTorden
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.25 15:40:00 - [19]
 

Seems to me CCP's game designers has enclosed them off in their own tiny little bubble and is singing not only off key but is humming lynnyrd skynnerd when the customers are singing zeppelin songs.

You guys should stop thinking enterily and just fix pos's and corp management.

CCP Dr.EyjoG

Posted - 2011.07.25 16:13:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Gripen
Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?


We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.

We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:44:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG

We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.


No more quarterly's? Aww man, that bums me out. Why the sudden change?


Jiny Lee
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:47:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Jiny Lee on 25/07/2011 16:53:24
Quote:
The most interesting development this month was the development of the PLEX price, which only grew by 0.4% from May to June, despite the launch of the Noble Exchange and the ability to convert PLEXes to AURUM for such transactions. Admittedly, the price rose throughout May, spiking around June 1, but it has since fallen back to previous levels, making the monthly average prices in May and June roughly equal.


And people still wonder why I call him Councelor Troy.

Honestly you release a product that by your own admition was far from ready for release with a full specturm of products for a fractional product release that looks to the players like nothing more than a naked money grab.

that and frankly it aparently escaped your notice that Plex is bascialy exactly like Gold. any real increase in price will be maches by people diverting from the black market to the plexmarket, your recent change to allow single plex sales just made it easyer for people to justify an impulse buy of one plex worth ment that your losses of 2X sales was more than offset by 1X sales.

Lets be honest, no mater what you do and say, The Bunglers you work for are almost hellbent on beating anything you do or say to help them into poi.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:50:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Jonathan Ferguson on 25/07/2011 16:55:13
Originally by: J Kunjeh
No more quarterly's? Aww man, that bums me out. Why the sudden change?




Because fudging the numbers to make the economy not look horribly broken is hard? Because CCP stopped giving a ****?

I'd settle for the public release of a few more back issues of Fearless; that would be far more illuminating than an economic newsletter for a 'sandbox' video game whose 'economy' is based on botting/RMTing and now microtransactions/dev interference. Make it happen, Doc!

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:50:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Jiny Lee
poi.
And once again I out a traiding alt of mine.

what is with the bloody forum settings lol

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:03:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Mitchello on 25/07/2011 17:08:01
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: Gripen
Is this blog a replacement for the QEN?


We will change the format of the QEN but this devblog and the data that comes along with it is an addition to other economic information available to the players. This is a part of a larger plan to give more data directly to players so that they can do their own analysis. And yes, this will continue in the future.

We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.


Please don't take this the wrong way, but CCP has become entirely too easy to predict in its actions, inactions and decision patterns.

That has nothing to do with the value of transparancy I should add, it has everything to do with those actions, inactions and decision patterns.

That being said, in light of CCP's commitment on communication with its customers as reaffirmed by CCP recently in light of recent events, it would help to provide some insight to people who do not dig into matters. It prevents people from running off with assumptions, rather than conclusions. Insight in regards to your specific motivations for said changes.

After all, it is the divide between presentation and delivery which has unfortunately become a structural affair. I know, yes there is the argument of "there is too much insight from our customers into XYZ". That is understandable, but also quite wrong. It's an impression, rooted in very different things than the effective game dynamic. And yes, there is also the argument of sensitivity of data as well as variables. Now please do not take this the wrong way, but you do have rather unique customers, and you as CCP are part of the dynamic you created. The less information and communication provided, the more the dynamic becomes subject to study and analysis - and remember, that includes CCP as well as sensitive data and variables.

The worst thing to do, is to leave such gaps. Why? Because customers fill them in, in group behaviour bordering on social dynamics which creates its own momentum. Since CCP has an interesting dependancy there, in at minimum two ways, I do not think that is a road to ignore.

I fully understand that there is initiative and focus to take it deeper without showing too many cards. That is commendable. But can you understand that two out of three consumer/service currencies have been compromised? Belief, trust, leaving emotion standing solo. CCP itself has its own battle with that, as Zulu referred to more than once in the aftermath (or rather: pause) of recent events.

It is simply no longer enough to drop a hint, and then leave the stage. The dynamic has grown so much that what was fine in earlier days these days leaves vacuums (of information, communication, social interaction, and so forth). What happens with vacuums? Well, the same as the previous events of disruptions in the interdependancy between CCP and its customers.


Edit, forgot something.

Out of curiosity, what does Marketing say about effectively removing and structurally constricting one of the strongest set of Pull variables for several persona types of users and their - over time - changed gameplay formats these days so incredibly rooted in the economical side of EVE. Just a question?

Ilkahn
Gallente
United Aerospace Co-op
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:23:00 - [26]
 

BOO HISSS, this is full of fail sauce. I would like the QEN! It doesn't have to come via the paper work up that i'm sure was intensive before, and i do thank you for them and the work put into them.

We do want that information though, it gives us good statistics to put to our devious minds about whether ship production or LP conversion is coming to the top of lists amognst other things.

How about a market function for the future that gives us population figures, regional poppulations per month. Ship manufacturing in tonnage (Hi sec only would even hlep) There are lots of things we'd like to see.

Krixtal Icefluxor
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:24:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG

We have not published QENs for 2010 and will most likely not publish them in the previous format but rather moving the Economic Newsletters to more of an annual report. The frequency of the publication is though still being discussed.


There are too many reasons to list here why I do not like THIS at all.

This is denying players information that has been relied upon for years. CCP is really changing too much to soon.

I truly do believe minds have been lost at CCP, they have absolutely no direction, and SEEM to be deliberately ANGERING as many players as can be humanly possible in the shortest amount of time possible.

The gaming world has NEVER seen this kind of mindless chaos sustained: over 30 days now since the intial protest.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED, and what is changing in not to our benefit in the slightest.

Please do not touch the beautiful format of the QEN or it's frequency.

THERE IS NO NEED. AT ALL. Sweet Jesus what are you trying to do here??? Can you give just ONE GOOD REASON why this should be? Just one ?

IS there even a plan anywhere at all at CCP ?? Anything concrete at all besides demanding the NEX store be there ??


More BS and nothing any different than IncarnaFail Day. Rolling Eyes It has not stopped yet, and frankly we players are too exhausted to be enthusistic about any of this.


I'm done. Too PO'd to do anythng but ramble like an idiot now.



Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:37:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ilkahn
BOO HISSS, this is full of fail sauce. I would like the QEN! It doesn't have to come via the paper work up that i'm sure was intensive before, and i do thank you for them and the work put into them.


Work? Intensive? It seems to me you'd set it up once (pulling # from a database, make a few graphs) and then automate it thereafter. Sprinkle with the 'insightful' commentary of your choice. Done.

CCP is changing EVE from a long-grind sandbox MMO to (F2P?) Barbies in Space with MT. Your subscription dollars/euros are tiding them over while they do it.

Tebb1288
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:40:00 - [29]
 

Give us the quarterly QEN! It was one of my favorite parts of this game.

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:41:00 - [30]
 

Until you see it do not quote me but I am guessing is that all info in the QN will now be available but in Game ie in character. NPC corps will post a news item with the info. Aslong as a Wiki gets made linking all the data. Its a less resource intensive method and makes the game deeper.

CCP is making a big deal now of RP info giving just makes since that Market data would follow the same rules. Means that we will get more data more often.

Makes good content for a Market watch channel on the CQ main screen.


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