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Aicar Leuscirh
The Scope
Posted - 2011.07.24 12:32:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Aicar Leuscirh on 24/07/2011 13:06:57
IN WAKE OF CALDARI VICTORIES, SUPPORT FOR WAR REINVIGORATED

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Orvolle - Recently conducted surveys and polls show that support for the ongoing war with the Caldari State has recieved a boost of support, following the loss of Esesier and Harroule to State Protectorate forces. Current military operations between the Federation and Caldari had become relatively subdued following the restoration of pre-war borders earlier this year with the Federal Defence Union's liberation of Vifrevaert and Ladistier. Similarly, public opinion on the war during this time period across Placid and other nearby territories became relatively mixed, though core regions such as Essence and Everyshore, the former heavily affected by the Caldari Prime occupation, continued to maintain support for the conflict. The sudden, unexpected fall of two systems has given reinvigorated popular support for the war, particularly in Placid, many finding this "sorely needed" across the military establishment.

"This is not surprising" said Freya Leremblompes, political correspondent with the Scope, "During the presidential campaign in the latter half of 111, candidates such as Governor Celes Aguard, who pledged a conventional campaign to liberate the occupied territories without the assistance of the capsuleer militia, had masses of support from the inhabitants of Placid, who are mostly Intakis. Moreover, her campaign platform to represent minority groups in the Federation only boosted her voter base amongst this demographic further. The "No Vote" law, however, saw the systems with the majority of her support disenfranchised for the duration of the occupation, thus causing her to lose to Jacus Roden. This is very telling towards the general attitude of the people of Intaki and Placid towards the war. The losses of two systems, while not major, has brought fears of another Caldari mass invasion. The most common option, as a result, is to throw their support behind the military and ongoing campaigns"

Support for a ceasefire or other peace negotiations amongst the Federal Senate has been low, mostly due to the continued occupation of Caldari Prime, which has affected citizens of all ethnicities given the cosmopolitan makeup of Luminaire. Senator Garioss, former presidential candidate who advocated a platform for peace, recieved a minute share of the vote, holding little support from the previously-occupied territories who supported pro-war Governor Aguard. It is clear that the Federation masses are still "revenge-hungry", and that the loss of Esesier and Harroule has only fueled the fire moreso. With only three years into the current conflict, and the occupation of Caldari Prime, many suspect the fighting will continue for several years to come, with some believing that the gradual increase in ground warfare will see the war "take a new face" within the next year.

Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
Posted - 2011.07.24 13:02:00 - [2]
 

I, in my personal opinion, I believe that the Federation should give back Caldari Prime. After all, it's their homeworld and if I recall correctly, there are no massive industry or military branches there. It just serves as an egoboost for the Gallente. Therefore, if Caldari Prime would be given back to the Caldarians, their hunger for war might decrease or even cease to exist as an open national wound. With a few diplomats worth a half of an amarrian walnut, this conflict could be over in no-time, and both sides could get a treaty they wanted.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.24 15:44:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Chevalleis
I, in my personal opinion, I believe that the Federation should give back Caldari Prime. After all, it's their homeworld and if I recall correctly, there are no massive industry or military branches there. It just serves as an egoboost for the Gallente. Therefore, if Caldari Prime would be given back to the Caldarians, their hunger for war might decrease or even cease to exist as an open national wound. With a few diplomats worth a half of an amarrian walnut, this conflict could be over in no-time, and both sides could get a treaty they wanted.


You're about three years behind the times. The Caldari invaded Luminaire at gunpoint and threatened to put every inhabited world in the system to the torch unless the Federation signed it over to them. The State owns the planet.

Perhaps the Federation should take it back. Show the Caldari that violence against our nation will not get them what they want.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.24 16:20:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Aicar Leuscirh
continued occupation of Caldari Prime

Occupation of Caldari Prime ended in YC110, when Caldari Navy ships entered the orbit, and the planet was returned to rightful owners.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.07.24 17:08:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris



Originally by: Diana Kim



Every now and then, the symmetry of the universe reveals itself.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.24 18:02:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Chevalleis
I, in my personal opinion, I believe that the Federation should give back Caldari Prime. After all, it's their homeworld and if I recall correctly, there are no massive industry or military branches there. It just serves as an egoboost for the Gallente. Therefore, if Caldari Prime would be given back to the Caldarians, their hunger for war might decrease or even cease to exist as an open national wound. With a few diplomats worth a half of an amarrian walnut, this conflict could be over in no-time, and both sides could get a treaty they wanted.


This is precisely what the current conflict is being fought over. While the Federation did sign over Caldari Prime, the Gallente Senate then ratified the CONCORD Militia Act, with the intention of using the FDU to seize Black Rise and Caldari Prime. Roden, when elected, repeated the intention of the Federation to re-take Caldari Prime.

Caldari Prime is the focus of this war, albeit not the theater. It is the symbol of what the Caldari fight for, and until the Gallente finally accept that it belongs to the Caldari people, there will be no peace.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.07.24 22:20:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Aicar Leuscirh
continued occupation of Caldari Prime

Occupation of Caldari Prime ended in YC110, when Caldari Navy ships entered the orbit, and the planet was returned to rightful owners.

This article is concerned with increased support for the war against the Caldari among Gallente citizens. So from a Gallentean's point of view, Caldari Prime is being occupied.

Aurelie Severasse
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.07.24 23:19:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Aicar Leuscirh
continued occupation of Caldari Prime

Occupation of Caldari Prime ended in YC110, when Caldari Navy ships entered the orbit, and the planet was returned to rightful owners.


Silly. Caldari Prime is over there in the Forge, now. Luminaire VII is a Gallente planet. You live in your area; we'll live in ours and everyone will be happy.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.24 23:37:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Aurelie Severasse
Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Aicar Leuscirh
continued occupation of Caldari Prime

Occupation of Caldari Prime ended in YC110, when Caldari Navy ships entered the orbit, and the planet was returned to rightful owners.


Silly. Caldari Prime is over there in the Forge, now. Luminaire VII is a Gallente planet. You live in your area; we'll live in ours and everyone will be happy.


Sadly for thieves, justice does not allow a nation to attempt genocide (as the Federation did), take a planet from its inhabitants, and then call the planet its own. Caldari Prime has been retaken by those whose homeland it was and is. Claims by the Gallente Federation that it belongs to them are as reasonable as the Amarr trying to deny that the Republic is a nation.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.07.25 02:47:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Aurelie Severasse
Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Aicar Leuscirh
continued occupation of Caldari Prime

Occupation of Caldari Prime ended in YC110, when Caldari Navy ships entered the orbit, and the planet was returned to rightful owners.


Silly. Caldari Prime is over there in the Forge, now. Luminaire VII is a Gallente planet. You live in your area; we'll live in ours and everyone will be happy.


Sadly for thieves, justice does not allow a nation to attempt genocide (as the Federation did), take a planet from its inhabitants, and then call the planet its own. Caldari Prime has been retaken by those whose homeland it was and is. Claims by the Gallente Federation that it belongs to them are as reasonable as the Amarr trying to deny that the Republic is a nation.


The same Republic that you people try to poison in your continued collusion with the Amarrians?

Don't pretend to be a friend of the Matari, they see through your jingoism.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.25 02:53:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Originally by: Vikarion
Sadly for thieves, justice does not allow a nation to attempt genocide (as the Federation did), take a planet from its inhabitants, and then call the planet its own. Caldari Prime has been retaken by those whose homeland it was and is. Claims by the Gallente Federation that it belongs to them are as reasonable as the Amarr trying to deny that the Republic is a nation.


The same Republic that you people try to poison in your continued collusion with the Amarrians?

Don't pretend to be a friend of the Matari, they see through your jingoism.


I've never, least of all in this thread, pretended to be a friend of the Republic. If you bothered to check, that would become quickly apparent. But, had you bothered to check, you would also know that I am no friend to the Amarrians. The Caldari are allies of the Amarr because without such allies, the Republic and Federation could defeat both the Empire and the State one at a time. That we are forced together is merely another one of your crimes.

But then, you would know that if you were not ignorant, arrogant, and foolish.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.07.25 03:24:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Vikarion

I've never, least of all in this thread, pretended to be a friend of the Republic. If you bothered to check, that would become quickly apparent. But, had you bothered to check, you would also know that I am no friend to the Amarrians. The Caldari are allies of the Amarr because without such allies, the Republic and Federation could defeat both the Empire and the State one at a time. That we are forced together is merely another one of your crimes.

But then, you would know that if you were not ignorant, arrogant, and foolish.



You have me there, I didn't bother to check up your personal stance on anything. I suppose I could have gone trawling through threads doing my research on the dubious persona who calls himself 'Vikarion' and what he has to say about this or that. I instead opened an excellent bottle of Octirant Estates YC95 Shiraz, let it breathe, and had a glass or two while I wondered what the Federation can do about the enemies with which it finds itself currently beset. This is my failure, I suppose.

Where your failure lies, unfortunately, is in actually neglecting to read my post where I clearly said: 'you people', referring to a broad category of blinkered moronic Provist scum who pander to their Imperial overlords in the name of business and are guilty of significant genocidal war crimes themselves. So rather than specifically addressing you, I was addressing a generalised swath of people.

It's okay if you failed to see what was directly in front of you. Blindness will do that.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.25 04:03:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant

You have me there, I didn't bother to check up your personal stance on anything. I suppose I could have gone trawling through threads doing my research on the dubious persona who calls himself 'Vikarion' and what he has to say about this or that. I instead opened an excellent bottle of Octirant Estates YC95 Shiraz, let it breathe, and had a glass or two while I wondered what the Federation can do about the enemies with which it finds itself currently beset. This is my failure, I suppose.


Ah, so your response to being wrong is to try to convey an impression of sophistication? What an interesting means of damage control. And so transparent, too.

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Where your failure lies, unfortunately, is in actually neglecting to read my post where I clearly said: 'you people', referring to a broad category of blinkered moronic Provist scum who pander to their Imperial overlords in the name of business and are guilty of significant genocidal war crimes themselves. So rather than specifically addressing you, I was addressing a generalised swath of people.

It's okay if you failed to see what was directly in front of you. Blindness will do that.



Mainly ad hominem, but I think I'll entertain myself.

First, the State has never needed to "pander" to the Empire. We are their only source of advanced industrial equipment. They, on the other hand...well, no need to offend them.

As for genocide, quote one instance of genocide which the Caldari are responsible for, keeping in mind that genocide is the "intentional effort to wipe out a cultural group of people". Certainly the State has never endeavored to do that. The Federation, on the other hand...

But none of this will mean anything to your talking points, indeed, it never has. The Federation is a vehicle for the propagation of Gallente interests, Gallente ideas and ideals, and Gallente rule. You have a much more progressive side than the Amarr: you care less about race then control. But when that control is threatened, when people decide that they don't want to be Gallente, then the gloves come off, and we see the evil behind the mask.

And this is the reason both the Empire and the Federation will fall, must fall. Because people are not all like each other, and people do not all value what you value. In the end, for all of your imperialism and genocide and lofty condescension, those you considered beneath you, those you called barbarians, will rise up and rend you in pieces.

It is inevitable.


Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.07.25 04:45:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Vikarion

Ah, so your response to being wrong is to try to convey an impression of sophistication? What an interesting means of damage control. And so transparent, too.


A reference to Gallentean wine is tantamount to sophistication to you? Makes sense I suppose, with that huge cultural chip on the shoulder all Caldari seem to live with.

Originally by: Vikarion
Mainly ad hominem....


And rightly, deliberately so.

As for the rest of your drivel, it interested me not at all. You seem to like to pretend that your people live above the moral morass of the rest of humanity, but the hands of the Caldari are as bloodstained as everyone else's. Each race is as guilty as any other.

You are kidding yourself to imagine any different.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.25 13:20:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 25/07/2011 13:23:19
Originally by: Vikarion

First, the State has never needed to "pander" to the Empire. We are their only source of advanced industrial equipment. They, on the other hand...well, no need to offend them.



You already have. Arrogance might not be the best tool to public or diplomatic relations. Especially when it is at best inexact (you forgot Carthum, Viziam, Inherent Implants that at the last news were still considered still more advanced than Zainou's, the Khanid Kingdom, or even Tlalocan technology, that are other sources as well, for that half of them are of imperial origin). And some might also argue that without Tash Murkon, the State economy would still be in turmoil.

I am not sure if playing the card of which tech is best has ever beared its fruit in that kind of discussions.


[edited for syntax]

Katrina Oniseki
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.25 15:03:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 25/07/2011 15:03:13
Originally by: Alain Octirant

As for the rest of your drivel, it interested me not at all. You seem to like to pretend that your people live above the moral morass of the rest of humanity, but the hands of the Caldari are as bloodstained as everyone else's. Each race is as guilty as any other.

You are kidding yourself to imagine any different.



This is precisely why all the constant finger-pointing and blame is tired and without use. Those on the IGS may continue to claim that these CONCORD sanctioned wars are legal and necessary, but the use of war for peace is a false logic. Peace will only come when there are none left to wage war.

"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."

That we still wage war against each other is simply a stain on our entire species.

There is no more innocence. There is only shame... for all sides.






Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:46:00 - [17]
 

Madmoiselle Oniseki

Don't be naive, CONCORD Militia Proxy Wars might be legal, but they are hardly necessary.

It is simple a matter of Deterrence, one side cannot unilaterally retreat from the proxy war, unless all sides choose to do so at the same time.

Therefore the conflict will continue until all sides feel they have gained something out of it, and currently there is no such thing in sight yet.

Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2011.07.25 18:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Katrina Oniseki

......the use of war for peace is a false logic. Peace will only come when there are none left to wage war.

"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."

That we still wage war against each other is simply a stain on our entire species.

There is no more innocence. There is only shame... for all sides.



You seem to believe that war is murder, and while undoubtably there is murder in war, the actual act of war is a political act. Furthermore the greatest advocate and advertisement of peace is war. People who have enjoyed long periods of peace forget what happens when that peace is destroyed. Those are the ones who sound those trumpets.

Speaking from a strictly realistic sense, war will also never go away. As long as their is conviction and belief in something there will-be-war. I stand behind my beliefs, and if those beliefs are counter to your beliefs and we cannot meet a middle ground there will be a conflict.


Richard Wensbane
Caldari
OdaTech
Posted - 2011.07.25 22:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Katrina Oniseki

"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."

That we still wage war against each other is simply a stain on our entire species.

There is no more innocence. There is only shame... for all sides.


I agree with you that war is a stain upon our species, but for all Caldari, it is also a necessity.

Sadly, for all of us, the Federation appears to have two faces. One for those who accept their rule and another -- a grim one, if you will -- for the ones who don't.

They talk about acceptance, day in and day out, but appear naturally incapable of accepting the sovereign rights of certain nations. And why? Because it hits them where it hurts: their wallets -- an attitude that many would deem "typically Caldari."

If there is a war it is because we are forced to wage it. And we are forced because we refuse to play by the rules set by the playground bully.
We tried to set aside a little corner of the playground to call our own, where we could play by our own principles and make our own stories, but the cursed bully simply won't let go. It's his way or the highway!

Well, until his attitude changes, we have to keep reminding him that our resolve knows no bounds. You see, the bully may be a lot bigger and have plenty of friends to back him up, but he lacks determination. He's a slave to circumstance, so while he may be willing to fight today, he may also grow tired of it tomorrow.

As long as we keep pushing back, no matter the odds, there's a good chance that one day he will simply leave us alone, and that's all we really want -- unlike other "empires," we aren't out to "assimilate" everything that breathes.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.25 23:25:00 - [20]
 

Ah, Caldari complaining about the events of almost two centuries ago, while completely ignoring the violation of Federation sovereignty and the economic exploitation of the citizens of Placid during State occupation that took place just a year ago.

Nothing ever changes.

Richard Wensbane
Caldari
OdaTech
Posted - 2011.07.25 23:33:00 - [21]
 

The events that triggered this "nonsense" may be centuries old, but their repercussions are very much current. Or have you finally decided to give us what is rightfully ours and recognize us as your equals?

If not, I say there are many atrocities still to be committed. By both sides...

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.25 23:38:00 - [22]
 

Who said that Federation foreign policy doesn't see the Caldari as equals? State megacorporations have plenty of operations in Gallentean space, even Kaalakiota. Even the militaristic Mannar allow the Patriot Wiyrkomi to operate as the only megacorporation in their home territories.

Richard Wensbane
Caldari
OdaTech
Posted - 2011.07.25 23:47:00 - [23]
 

The fact that you continue to kill us over what was, essentially, a move to deny us of our right to exercise self-government, is what tells me that you do not recognize us as equals.

You may trade with us on rare occasions -- when it benefits you greatly -- but you absolutely do not see us as an equal, sovereign nation.

Make no mistake, until you loosen your grip and realize that not everyone wants to live by your ways, people will continue to die.
Does that make happy? No. But I know that life without freedom is really no life at all...

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.26 00:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Richard Wensbane
The fact that you continue to kill us over what was, essentially, a move to deny us of our right to exercise self-government, is what tells me that you do not recognize us as equals.


Currently, it is the State that kills Gallenteans, by occupying Harroule and Esesier. You were recognized as a sovereign state two hundred years ago, after CONCORD brokered peace and ended the first war.

Originally by: Richard Wensbane
You may trade with us on rare occasions -- when it benefits you greatly -- but you absolutely do not see us as an equal, sovereign nation


Federal participation in CONCORD means that we do.

Originally by: Richard Wensbane
Make no mistake, until you loosen your grip and realize that not everyone wants to live by your ways, people will continue to die.


Again, it is the State that holds its grip over the free peoples of Harroule and Esesier. What other "grip" are you talking about?

Mate, stop living in two-hundred years ago. If you haven't realized that so much has changed since then, you are surely doomed to fall forward on your face while constantly looking backwards.

Paul J Keating
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.07.26 00:55:00 - [25]
 

Sadly Mr. Inhonores it seems that many of the more vocal supporters of the current State invasion are merely trying to justify the destruction and suffering that is being inflicting upon the people of Placid and Essence by vaguely pointing at a bogeyman under the bed. While I doubt you can convince those who seem brainwashed by tyrants and dictators, I sincerely hope that they will soon come to their senses to stop the current bloodshed.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.26 01:07:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Again, it is the State that holds its grip over the free peoples of Harroule and Esesier. What other "grip" are you talking about?


Better that than the Federation deporting people from Black Rise.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.07.26 01:09:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Paul J Keating
Sadly Mr. Inhonores it seems that many of the more vocal supporters of the current State invasion are merely trying to justify the destruction and suffering that is being inflicting upon the people of Placid and Essence by vaguely pointing at a bogeyman under the bed. While I doubt you can convince those who seem brainwashed by tyrants and dictators, I sincerely hope that they will soon come to their senses to stop the current bloodshed.


Hear hear! Not bad for a bleeding heart sociocrat!

Katrina Oniseki
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.26 01:24:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 26/07/2011 01:24:31
Originally by: Van Cleef

You seem to believe that war is murder, and while undoubtably there is murder in war, the actual act of war is a political act. Furthermore the greatest advocate and advertisement of peace is war. People who have enjoyed long periods of peace forget what happens when that peace is destroyed. Those are the ones who sound those trumpets.

Speaking from a strictly realistic sense, war will also never go away. As long as their is conviction and belief in something there will-be-war. I stand behind my beliefs, and if those beliefs are counter to your beliefs and we cannot meet a middle ground there will be a conflict.



Actually, that was only a quote to illustrate my point that war is shameful. I don't believe war and murder are the same thing. I'd say they are more like brothers or close cousins, to personify them. Various mythologies have visualized war and murder as such, sometimes both of them together in the same deity.

Otherwise, I agree with what you've said. My simple point is that this entire CONCORD militia act has turned into a bloodbath, which I would doubt was the original purpose behind it.

Richard Wensbane
Caldari
OdaTech
Posted - 2011.07.26 02:42:00 - [29]
 

Mr. Inhonores, if there's something I do not enjoy is running around in circles. Which is exactly what we're doing right now.

All of this, all these wars we now have to deal with -- CONCORD-sanctioned or otherwise -- are the direct result of a single moment, when your people decided to deny my people their right to govern themselves. Everything else is just drivel to me.

If having a differing opinion automatically makes me a mindless drone "brainwashed by tyrants" in the eyes of your people, then so be it. It's a small enough price to pay for getting these things off my chest.

Maybe I am living in the past, but understand this: we already had to run away once. We do not intend to do so again. Can you at least understand that?

Now, I suspect you will want to have the last word on this, so please, go right ahead. I will not be discussing this issue further, at this time.
I'm just saddened and offended that you can't recognize any value in my claims, almost suggesting that we're fighting a war simply for the fun of it. As if any and all past transgressions, by both sides, should simply be swept under the rug. Without reparation or contemplation. Countless meaningless deaths...

I now know that, while I am able to admit that the State isn't perfect and has even committed unnecessary atrocities at times, you are absolutely incapable of doing the same toward the Federation, so perhaps I should stick to expressing my views with missiles. At least those can't be misinterpreted or easily dismissed.

All I have left to say is that I feel for the people of Esesier and Harroule. I hope they are treated well and are allowed to lead productive and satisfying lives.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.07.26 03:12:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Richard Wensbane
I'm just saddened and offended that you can't recognize any value in my claims, almost suggesting that we're fighting a war simply for the fun of it. As if any and all past transgressions, by both sides, should simply be swept under the rug. Without reparation or contemplation. Countless meaningless deaths...


Mr.s Wensbane-haan, while I do appreciate your posting and your support for the State - appreciate it very much, in fact - I should point out that you make one error: their objective isn't to sweep the past errors of both sides under the rug. No, only their offenses are to be so treated. Our lesser ones, on the other hand, are never to be forgotten, and indeed, they never have forgotten them.

Why are we to forget their genocide and tyranny, but our over-zealous actions in defense of our own freedom are to be forever rubbed in our faces? I will tell you why: because they are the Federation, the source of all goodness and right in the cluster, and thus, whatever they do is, was, and will be, justified in their eyes.

Those most blind are those who believe themselves most holy.


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