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Don Knots
Gallente
In Bacon We Trust
Posted - 2011.08.05 15:56:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Don Knots on 05/08/2011 15:58:06
Stupid spellcheck. Changing my words. Smile
Originally by: Xenuria

"C. User Content
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").
User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child ****ographic or harmful to minors; or (iv) contain any viruses, Trojan horses, disabling code, worms, time bombs, "clear GIFs," cancelbots or other computer programming or routines that are intended to, or which in fact, damage, detrimentally interfere with, monitor, intercept or expropriate any data, information, packets or personal information.


You are in some serious **** my friend.


Do you know how to read?

The bit in red: Let’s break down that nasty legal text, by stripping out everything in-between.

Quote:
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content"). User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not contain any viruses, Trojan horses, disabling code, worms, time bombs, "clear GIFs," cancelbots or other computer programming or routines that are intended to, or which in fact, damage, detrimentally interfere with, monitor, intercept or expropriate any data, information, packets or personal information.



Where does data-mining come into play with this? He hasn’t actually ‘communicated’ any information by posting messages in chat rooms or bulletin boards or other user-to-user areas.

Furthermore, what Chribba does every 15 minutes to power eve-search.com is really no different. Nor are Google’s spiders.

Please learn to read legal text and you will realize what you’re talking about.

Bonkers2000
Caldari
The Smurf's
The Smurfs Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.05 17:38:00 - [92]
 

Hey,

i don't mean to rain on your parade but there is a way of doing this for free its called a corp search on evsco. killboards you literally click search type the corp in and click on corp members it also tells you kown associates IE: Remote reppers / out of corp faces showing up on killboards and its free......

its a good idea don't get me wrong but when there is already an easier method that this its kinda not needed

but props for trying

Mr Majestyk
Combat and Recon
The Last Chancers.
Posted - 2011.08.05 20:26:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Bonkers2000
Hey,

i don't mean to rain on your parade but there is a way of doing this for free its called a corp search on evsco. killboards you literally click search type the corp in and click on corp members it also tells you kown associates IE: Remote reppers / out of corp faces showing up on killboards and its free......

its a good idea don't get me wrong but when there is already an easier method that this its kinda not needed

but props for trying


Except killboards are incomplete. and don't provide all the data that this does. Plus I don't see this member list button.

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.06 03:33:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Bonkers2000
Hey,

i don't mean to rain on your parade but there is a way of doing this for free its called a corp search on evsco. killboards you literally click search type the corp in and click on corp members it also tells you kown associates IE: Remote reppers / out of corp faces showing up on killboards and its free......

its a good idea don't get me wrong but when there is already an easier method that this its kinda not needed

but props for trying

Obviously information is available on other sources. What I offer through my service is a central location that collects the data and keeps it completely up-to-date, while providing a simple and clean interface for accessing that data. It's all about convenience.

One of the central, unique features that E.C.I. offers is the upvote/downvote system for each character, corporation, and alliance. That is a tool that will become hugely important to recruiters in the future, as more people contribute to the rating system.

Levija Saplina
Supremacy Inc.
Not Found.
Posted - 2011.08.06 07:30:00 - [95]
 

I am yet to see a single character profile where known alts are mentioned.

When I signed up for this, I thought this function would be interesting. But I have never come across it.

Any plans for this ?

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.06 09:04:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Levija Saplina
I am yet to see a single character profile where known alts are mentioned.

When I signed up for this, I thought this function would be interesting. But I have never come across it.

Any plans for this ?

As mentioned in previous posts, knowing for certain which characters are alts is impossible without the use of an API key, and E.C.I. doesn't use API keys.

Depending on the response to the upvote/downvote system I implemented (i.e. how much users participate in helping to vote), I can easily implement a system where users can "suggest" that two different chars are alts, and then it will show up the most-likely alts for each toon.

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.07 00:16:00 - [97]
 

Currently sitting at 481 accounts. The person who registers account #500 will receive 1 year free subscription time!

Snivach
The Craniac
Naloran Project
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:42:00 - [98]
 

This has promise!

4,619 characters added Smile

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.07 21:02:00 - [99]
 

Thank you to everyone who has helped by submitting characters on the site for credit, or by sending me large files with tens of thousands of characters. Today I secured a very large and powerful source of characters, which should keep ECI up-to-date for the foreseeable future.

As always, if there's anything in particular you would like to see on E.C.I., just post here and let me know!

Synthmilk
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.08 01:12:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Look whose calling who a troll. "Snythmilk"? Sounds like a techy Shotocon.
Also your system is still ill gotten.. from a datamine. You just admitted that the IDs on the eve forum site were used to mine information.

That in and of itself is against the rules. At this point your building my case for me.



Actually it's "Synthmilk" Wink It is also not my system, I am simply a fan and potential user.

The TOS does NOT prohibit communicating with the server and accepting it's response(s) (datamining), it does not even specify if there are or are not any limitations on what kind of software you can use to communicate with the System (in regards to the Forum, the EVE Online EULA limits the software you can use to communicate with the EVE Online server to the game client.)

Using software to navigate CCP's webpages as a user would do, is allowed, and there is no prohibition against collecting the data transmitted to you, or using it so long as you are not gathering and/or distributing personal information without consent. A person's characterID, character name or character data, are not personal information, and as such can be used and distributed freely, as there is nothing stating otherwise in the TOS.

So yea, if you still don't get it, I'll just have to hope that when this service never gets shut down by CCP, that perhaps someday you will come to accept that you were wrong. Naturally if this service does get shut down for TOS and/or EULA violations, I will be disappointed that it's creator lied about his methods, and will owe you an apology.

Humanoid 25368
Posted - 2011.08.08 07:01:00 - [101]
 

No! Wait, stop! Don't do it! Don't..... NOOOOOOOOO

Awww, too late. You fed the troll.

CCP Stillman

Posted - 2011.08.08 13:24:00 - [102]
 

Hi everybody,

I just want to clear up any doubt about how the EULA and TOS applies to this sort of service.

Following things are not OK, and may result in actions taken against your account:
- Scraping of the API, creating massive amounts of errors due to invalid calls
- Scraping of EVE Gate
- Scraping data from the client through means that are in violation of the EULA

As long as a service does not violate these, or any other parts of the EULA(Above are the most relevant), then the service is OK.

So this service is not against the EULA at this point in time. Note that this does not mean we give this a stamp of approval, just that it is not in violation of the EULA.

I hope that makes everything clear,
-Stillman

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.08 17:10:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: CCP Stillman

Following things are not OK, and may result in actions taken against your account:
- Scraping of the API, creating massive amounts of errors due to invalid calls
- Scraping of EVE Gate
- Scraping data from the client through means that are in violation of the EULA


Thank you for the clarification. I, as the developer, can state that:
1) Although it uses the API on a massive scale, it never does so "blindly", in a scraping fashion. Of about 4 million calls in a 20 hour period, on average 0 - 10 of them will generate errors (and the causes of those errors are removed so it doesn't happen again)
2) The service does not use or link to EVE Gate in any way, shape, or form
3) The service does not use or link to the EVE client in any way, shape, or form

I can guarantee that E.C.I. will NEVER change to violate any of these conditions, and as such will never violate the EULA or TOS.

SHICAGO
Posted - 2011.08.08 20:42:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: SHICAGO on 08/08/2011 20:42:27
I have a question: if all this information was taken off kb sites and eve-search, are you in violation of their terms of use? Or have you inappropriately reposted their information as your own? Does Chribba have anything to say about this "scraping"?

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:24:00 - [105]
 

As far as scraping eve-search goes, I'm fine with it until the point it does cause problems at which point packets will start to drop most likely. Same goes for eveboard tbh.

@Stillman, scraping EVE Gate? You mean like profiles etc? All that info could be obtained via API already (almost) - but will Google not index Gate?

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.08 22:11:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 08/08/2011 22:15:42
Omygah look everyone! Chribba posted on MY thread!! The dream of every aspiring 3rd party dev.

Don't worry Chribba, I don't sc**** your site. Out of curiosity though, how do you mirror the eve forums, do you just sc**** it? Also, do you have some sort of API for eve board? Scraping is SOOO last decade.

EDIT: are you ****ing kidding me? It filters the "r.a.p.e." in "scr.a.p.e."

SHICAGO
Posted - 2011.08.09 01:23:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Same goes for eveboard tbh.

so this is where a lot of info is coming from. i get it now.

Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.09 02:26:00 - [108]
 

So how long until you start charging corps/alliances to remove their information from your pages?

And before you post; here's a list of all members of my corp:

Tigerras

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.08.09 07:31:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
Omygah look everyone! Chribba posted on MY thread!! The dream of every aspiring 3rd party dev.

Don't worry Chribba, I don't sc**** your site. Out of curiosity though, how do you mirror the eve forums, do you just sc**** it? Also, do you have some sort of API for eve board? Scraping is SOOO last decade.

EDIT: are you ****ing kidding me? It filters the "r.a.p.e." in "scr.a.p.e."
No worries, any abuse would be noticed anyway so should be ok. And no I don't have any [eb] API that would allow others to pull info, there are some ideas in the works but not exactly what it will be since I'm more looking to have people visit [eb] for information rather than pulling it off-site.

Indexing the forums is done by simply pulling the pages at the moment (old school), this after ofc detailing out best practice with CCP.

/c

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:14:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Tigerras
So how long until you start charging corps/alliances to remove their information from your pages?

And before you post; here's a list of all members of my corp:

Tigerras


6 billion ISK, and I'll remove your corp/character for you.
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Cassia Haidrion
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:44:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Tigerras
So how long until you start charging corps/alliances to remove their information from your pages?

And before you post; here's a list of all members of my corp:

Tigerras

You dislike the service, so you post pointless stuff on it to bump it back up to the top? Ur sooooo smart!! Genius.

Greyfarth
Posted - 2011.08.10 14:47:00 - [112]
 

Just used this yesterday, found 95% of the people in the corp I was looking for. I support this product and/or service.

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.12 01:03:00 - [113]
 

Current stats:
- 549 accounts
- 2530 searches
- 3858 info sheet views
- 3949309 characters
- 159260 corporations

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.13 17:35:00 - [114]
 

Current stats:
- 561 accounts
- 2674 searches
- 4015 info sheet views
- 3951415 characters
- 159503 corporations

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.14 17:56:00 - [115]
 

Check out the new interview on http://eve.stratics.com/!

As a side note, E.C.I. hit its first 1,000,000,000 ISK in revenue this morning! Its first successful month means that development will continue and E.C.I. will offer more services and functionality.

Thank you all.

o7

Drake Sanctrum
EveTech Logistics Division
Posted - 2011.08.15 15:59:00 - [116]
 

Well done. I like it.

Humanoid 25368
Posted - 2011.08.18 00:20:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Humanoid 25368 on 18/08/2011 00:20:36
when are you going to do employment history?

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.18 01:13:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Humanoid 25368
Edited by: Humanoid 25368 on 18/08/2011 00:20:36
when are you going to do employment history?


Its going to be in the api in about 2 weeks, why would he add it at this point?

Humanoid 25368
Posted - 2011.08.20 21:25:00 - [119]
 

Hey don't be hatin', I'm not a programmer I don't know when the API's changing :S

I am looking forward to it now though :)

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.23 20:29:00 - [120]
 

Today's Stats:

- 602 accounts
- 3377 searches
- 4995 info sheet views
- 3958421 characters
- 160719 corporations

As a side note, some bugs were introduced in the last patch that caused payments from submitting characters to not show up properly. That has been fixed, and the credit amount per submitted character has been increased from 100,000 ISK to 150,000 ISK.

Sorry for the lack of updates recently, I'm on vacation ;)


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