open All Channels
seplocked Sell Orders
blankseplocked [SERVICE] EVE Central Intelligence - Know thine enemy
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5

Author Topic

Humanoid 25368
Posted - 2011.08.02 22:32:00 - [61]
 

Ohhh, nice story on the login page by ISD. How'd you wrangle that one up?

Dane Stork
Posted - 2011.08.03 04:51:00 - [62]
 

not sure if this has been asked yet but using this and information for websites that they log in to, could you find spies but saying bob and same both log in from the same IP and yet bob is in alliance a and sam is in alliance b so these two accounts could be a spy in you corp.
depending on the datamining tech your using this should not beto hard to do, there goes a nice anti spi system.
maybe there could be other ways to create anti spy system but I am not sharing all my ideas

Caviar Liberta
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2011.08.03 07:46:00 - [63]
 

I can just see it now, E.C.I. leads to the formation of the C.E.I or Counter Eve Intelligence.

Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
Posted - 2011.08.03 11:21:00 - [64]
 

Nice service! Might be using it myself.

Enilonee
Posted - 2011.08.03 13:33:00 - [65]
 

I'd rather pay per query, than for a usage period.

You may want to consider implementing such a payment option.

All in all an amazing idea! Your site even found one of my alts, which did not ever appear on any killboard or post on the official forums... Seems he was in that data package on page 2...

Shadow Breau
Posted - 2011.08.03 15:57:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Shadow Breau on 03/08/2011 15:58:36


Ran out my free time far too soon, how do I pay you for further usage?

And can you add known POS locations by corp?

Jita Price checking
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:13:00 - [67]
 

nice service totally nice. will not use it much since im a carebear but still nice.

Though 1 point of respect. your system found 2 alts i made who i totally forgot about.

one i made 6 month ago and 1 i made 3 years ago...

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:08:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 03/08/2011 21:09:32
Wow. 200 new accounts in less than 24 hours. Thank you ISD.

Mmmkay let's answer some questions.

Originally by: Dane Stork
not sure if this has been asked yet but using this and information for websites that they log in to, could you find spies but saying bob and same both log in from the same IP and yet bob is in alliance a and sam is in alliance b so these two accounts could be a spy in you corp.
depending on the datamining tech your using this should not beto hard to do, there goes a nice anti spi system.
maybe there could be other ways to create anti spy system but I am not sharing all my ideas

It's a fine line to walk between providing information to users, and scaring users away because they think signing up will destroy their anonymity. As the system stands now, creating an E.C.I. account will in NO WAY contribute information to the E.C.I. database, and I'd like to keep it that way. However, we will strive to continue finding new sources and types of information to provide.

Originally by: Enilonee
I'd rather pay per query, than for a usage period. You may want to consider implementing such a payment option.

When I designed the framework of the software, I had this idea in mind and built it so that it would be an optional feature in the future. It would work so that depending on the "reason" you type in your payment, it would either add subscription time or funds to your "account". When you view an info sheet (NOT when you search), if your subscription is valid it just uses that, but if not then it deducts funds from your account.

Originally by: Shadow Breau
Ran out my free time far too soon, how do I pay you for further usage?

When you log in and your subscription is expired, it takes you directly to the "account details" page. That page contains information on how to pay. In summary, send funds to EVE Central Intelligence (ECINT, CEO is "Intel Admin") with the reason specified on that page. The page also shows what the minimum payment is (currently set to 10mil ISK).

Originally by: Shadow Breau
And can you add known POS locations by corp?

This is not currently a feature. I thought about adding it, but decided against it for now due to the fact that no one will maintain it (if a POS is destroyed or moved, who removes the listing from that corp's page?).

Originally by: Jita Price checking
nice service totally nice. will not use it much since im a carebear but still nice.

Even if you don't fight, if you ever recruit for your corporation or want to know if you can trust someone for a sale or something, the upcoming "comments" and "flagging" features could be very useful for you.

Any other questions, just post here! AMA

Doctor Wellington Yueh
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:11:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Doctor Wellington Yueh on 03/08/2011 21:30:10
Edited by: Doctor Wellington Yueh on 03/08/2011 21:24:16
I don't like this. Half the fun was searching battle clinic, the forums, cov gate camps in home systems etc. for intelligence information. This has the potential for abuse. In a game called Everybody vs Everybody you will never remove corporate spies and the like. People should do the intel gathering themselves, or pay people in game to do it, not by using API. How are you getting all these API btw?

New term.. Intelbear

Edit: Even though I don't like it, good work nonetheless. I can tell you took some time. Fly safe. o/

Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:27:00 - [70]
 

A bit late, but grats on the ISD article.

Brenda Hakuli
Posted - 2011.08.04 00:45:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Doctor Wellington Yueh
Edited by: Doctor Wellington Yueh on 03/08/2011 21:30:10
Edited by: Doctor Wellington Yueh on 03/08/2011 21:24:16
I don't like this. Half the fun was searching battle clinic, the forums, cov gate camps in home systems etc. for intelligence information. This has the potential for abuse. In a game called Everybody vs Everybody you will never remove corporate spies and the like. People should do the intel gathering themselves, or pay people in game to do it, not by using API. How are you getting all these API btw?

New term.. Intelbear

Edit: Even though I don't like it, good work nonetheless. I can tell you took some time. Fly safe. o/


Might want to read the whole thread first. He has no API's other then those that will submit theirs to use the up coming comments feature. And he says he's only using them to track the comments and prevent abuse.

What he has are Character ID's which can be scrapped from KB sites and other EVE related sites that track users.

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.04 00:48:00 - [72]
 

ALL RIGHT EVERYONE, I need some input here. These are the proposed categories that account holders can upvote/downvote for characters, corps, and alliances:

Characters
- Trustworthiness: Honours agreements, doesn't fire blue-on-blue, etc.
- Law-Abiding: Doesn't pirate and kill non-flashies
- PvP Skill: Skilled at blowing other people up
- Fleet Leadership: Skilled at leading others into combat
- Corp Loyalty: Doesn't steal from corp, is not a spy, etc.
- Corp Dedication: Participates regularly in operations/hunts

Corporations
- Leadership: CEO, directors, and officers provide strong leadership for members
- Organization: Well maintained POS's, forums, killboard, comms, etc.
- Activeness: Regularly runs opperations/hunts/events
- Recruit Friendliness: Supports new recruits through opportunities for learning and growth
- Supply Program: Supplies members with essential ships and items for free or for reasonable cost
- Buyback Program: Offers members good rates on ore/salvage

Alliances
- Leadership: Strong alliance leadership that unites the corporations in peacetime and in battle
- Organization: Well maintained outposts, POS's, forums, killboard, comms, etc.
- Activeness: Regularly runs multi-corp opperations/battles/events
- Support: Member corps support each other through good and bad
- Sovereignty: Owns and develops systems.
- Supply Program: Supplies members with essential ships and items for free or for reasonable cost

Any suggestions on changes/improvements are highly appreciated.

Psyrelle
Caldari
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
Posted - 2011.08.04 02:52:00 - [73]
 

ill answear inside the quote with bold italic and underline text to make it much easier ^_^

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
ALL RIGHT EVERYONE, I need some input here. These are the proposed categories that account holders can upvote/downvote for characters, corps, and alliances:

CharactersExclamation Well basicly all of these is important. and would be something i as a ceo gladly would pay too see. the most important as a industry based corp will most likely be trustworthiness.
- Trustworthiness: Honours agreements, doesn't fire blue-on-blue, etc.
- Law-Abiding: Doesn't pirate and kill non-flashies
- PvP Skill: Skilled at blowing other people up
- Fleet Leadership: Skilled at leading others into combat
- Corp Loyalty: Doesn't steal from corp, is not a spy, etc.
- Corp Dedication: Participates regularly in operations/hunts

CorporationsExclamation This session is not so important. well its important but i think this site will primarily be used to sniff out spy's and future rekruits. This will mostly only be used for rekruitment info for those who plan to change corp or who is without corp who i mean would not be using this tool for it.
- Leadership: CEO, directors, and officers provide strong leadership for members
- Organization: Well maintained POS's, forums, killboard, comms, etc.
- Activeness: Regularly runs opperations/hunts/events
- Recruit Friendliness: Supports new recruits through opportunities for learning and growth
- Supply Program: Supplies members with essential ships and items for free or for reasonable cost
- Buyback Program: Offers members good rates on ore/salvage

AlliancesExclamation No input
- Leadership: Strong alliance leadership that unites the corporations in peacetime and in battle
- Organization: Well maintained outposts, POS's, forums, killboard, comms, etc.
- Activeness: Regularly runs multi-corp opperations/battles/events
- Support: Member corps support each other through good and bad
- Sovereignty: Owns and develops systems.
- Supply Program: Supplies members with essential ships and items for free or for reasonable cost

Any suggestions on changes/improvements are highly appreciated.Exclamation Concentrate more on toons than corps and alliances. include a link on each toon that links to all corps he has been in and a link to that corps page. Add pay per use or change it to online time instead of real time cause my free time will be used up too quickly. also about the system to add toons what can you do to stop people who makes a bot to create hundres of trial accounts then adds 3 toons to each and add them to your database to get lots of lots of usage time?

Mr Majestyk
Combat and Recon
The Last Chancers.
Posted - 2011.08.04 03:45:00 - [74]
 

I would like to have a PvE (aka Incursions) related voting categories. As an incursion runner it would be good to know that the logi you are flying with is fail or that the FC is great.

Maybe

Characters
Incursion FC - Good incursion FC
Incursion Logi - Good incursion logi
Incursion DPS - ....

Also something that would be interesting is allow generation of a temporary link for alliance sharing. I know this would reduce the amount of individual account interest in the game but being able to link a search result to friendlys for say 12 hours would be great. This could be a premium service, say it costs X Million to create a temporary link of the current page that non account holders can view for 12 hours.

Wizlawz
Posted - 2011.08.04 03:53:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Wizlawz on 04/08/2011 04:01:12
Nice!, so basically this is much along the same lines as Agents with Character Locating?

is this going to work for Bounty Hunters then, i would assume? so do i understand it will also give Chracter Locations then?

will this also give info on what characters are inactive for say like POS take overs (or the like) and where to infiltrate such POS so to speak?

will this be able to [now or in the future] be useful to Scanners?; as in when scanning ships for Wars (or just plain Scanning) will it be able to link the ID #'s{in the probe scan screen} to the Characters Ship to be of Tactical use?

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.04 06:37:00 - [76]
 

Ladies and gentlemen, it is my absolute pleasure (orgasmic, almost) to introduce the new FLAGGING system! Every character, corporation, and alliance has an up/down voting system for specific categories. Every account with at least 2 days subscription remaining may vote either up or down for any given category on any given entity (char, corp, or alliance). The 2 day requirement is to prevent people from creating 50 different email addresses, 50 different ECI accounts, and then spamming the voting system.

Additional categories can be added as needed, or the existing ones can be modified.

Now, to answer some questions:
Originally by: Mr Majestyk
I would like to have a PvE (aka Incursions) related voting categories. As an incursion runner it would be good to know that the logi you are flying with is fail or that the FC is great.

Maybe

Characters
Incursion FC - Good incursion FC
Incursion Logi - Good incursion logi
Incursion DPS - ....

Also something that would be interesting is allow generation of a temporary link for alliance sharing. I know this would reduce the amount of individual account interest in the game but being able to link a search result to friendlys for say 12 hours would be great. This could be a premium service, say it costs X Million to create a temporary link of the current page that non account holders can view for 12 hours.

Good ideas for categories, these will be adjusted as I get some feedback on the existing ones. The temporary public link idea is excellent, but I think I need to provide some more types of information for each character before it is viable. Also, I will need to implement the "pay-per-use" system first so that each account can have a balance.

Originally by: Wizlawz
Edited by: Wizlawz on 04/08/2011 04:01:12
Nice!, so basically this is much along the same lines as Agents with Character Locating?

is this going to work for Bounty Hunters then, i would assume? so do i understand it will also give Chracter Locations then?

will this also give info on what characters are inactive for say like POS take overs (or the like) and where to infiltrate such POS so to speak?

will this be able to [now or in the future] be useful to Scanners?; as in when scanning ships for Wars (or just plain Scanning) will it be able to link the ID #'s{in the probe scan screen} to the Characters Ship to be of Tactical use?

Unfortunately, no, this service as it stands now does not provide any location information. But I will not go so far as to say it never will; anything is possible. Once I have upgraded the system to include kill stats and employment records, I'll add something that gives a "probability" that the character is inactive.

Mr Majestyk
Combat and Recon
The Last Chancers.
Posted - 2011.08.04 07:33:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Wizlawz
Edited by: Wizlawz on 04/08/2011 04:01:12
Nice!, so basically this is much along the same lines as Agents with Character Locating?

is this going to work for Bounty Hunters then, i would assume? so do i understand it will also give Chracter Locations then?

will this also give info on what characters are inactive for say like POS take overs (or the like) and where to infiltrate such POS so to speak?

will this be able to [now or in the future] be useful to Scanners?; as in when scanning ships for Wars (or just plain Scanning) will it be able to link the ID #'s{in the probe scan screen} to the Characters Ship to be of Tactical use?


What i think would be kind of cool is to let people post locator agent reports on individuals. Say a corporation wants locator agent reports on all the characters in a corporation. They then can offer to pay X isk per update every Y hours. Would probably require either full API, for email checks, or lots of trust.

This system really has potential. Great job Kronus.

Trustworthy Tourguide
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:45:00 - [78]
 

Ok I registered , but it keeps telling me my email isn't registered o.O

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.04 17:16:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Xenuria on 04/08/2011 19:32:00
Edited by: Xenuria on 04/08/2011 19:31:10
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
Using massive databases and a vast multitude of information gathering applications, we here at ECI have gathered over 3.9 MILLION valid and current characterIDs. This number continues to grow as more information is gathered.


You spent a few weeks Data-mining the Eve Servers to gather all this information. Your got a pair of brass ones don't you? You just flat out admitted to Data Mining. Enjoy your ban...


For those who are not sure about this service.

TOS

"You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game."

EULA

"C. User Content
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").
User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child ****ographic or harmful to minors; or (iv) contain any viruses, Trojan horses, disabling code, worms, time bombs, "clear GIFs," cancelbots or other computer programming or routines that are intended to, or which in fact, damage, detrimentally interfere with, monitor, intercept or expropriate any data, information, packets or personal information.


You are in some serious **** my friend.

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.04 21:27:00 - [80]
 

Lol you crazy bastard. Nothing's being hacked or intercepted, the only CCP server that I do anything with at all is the API, and I'm pretty sure that querying the API is not agains TOS or EULA. Nothing private or confidential is gathered in any way, it's just a compilation of data that's PUBLICLY available On the Internet.

Grow up. Hack.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.05 00:17:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
Lol you crazy bastard. Nothing's being hacked or intercepted, the only CCP server that I do anything with at all is the API, and I'm pretty sure that querying the API is not agains TOS or EULA. Nothing private or confidential is gathered in any way, it's just a compilation of data that's PUBLICLY available On the Internet.

Grow up. Hack.


go ahead by all means.. Back Peddle like you have never Back Peddled before. The deed is done and you will be held accountable.

Synthmilk
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.05 01:19:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Xenuria

You spent a few weeks Data-mining the Eve Servers to gather all this information.


That, is what is known as a claim. However, you do not provide supporting evidence, or even conjecture. Your quotes from the TOS and EULA apply only to player interactions with CCP owned servers and services, and Kronus Heilgar has clearly stated that his data is gathered from non-CCP sources, publicly available on the internet. In addition, he has clearly stated that the only interactions his service has with CCP servers is through the EVE API service.

Gathering characterID's from non-CCP sources is not governed by the EULA or TOS, and would only be illegal or in breach of a TOS if Kronus Heilgar bypassed security and privacy barriers to aquire his data from his sources, but again, even if he did that, he would not be in breach of the EVE Online TOS or EULA.

So, I kindly request you provide evidence to back up your claim, as I am positive everyone who has, and may, use Kronus Heilgar's service would like to know if they are putting themselves at risk by using a potentially forbidden service. I think CCP would also like to see your evidence, seeing as how they put a story about this service on their front page.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.05 01:45:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Xenuria on 05/08/2011 01:47:58
Originally by: Synthmilk
Originally by: Xenuria

You spent a few weeks Data-mining the Eve Servers to gather all this information.


That, is what is known as a claim. However, you do not provide supporting evidence, or even conjecture. Your quotes from the TOS and EULA apply only to player interactions with CCP owned servers and services, and Kronus Heilgar has clearly stated that his data is gathered from non-CCP sources, publicly available on the internet. In addition, he has clearly stated that the only interactions his service has with CCP servers is through the EVE API service.

Gathering characterID's from non-CCP sources is not governed by the EULA or TOS, and would only be illegal or in breach of a TOS if Kronus Heilgar bypassed security and privacy barriers to aquire his data from his sources, but again, even if he did that, he would not be in breach of the EVE Online TOS or EULA.

So, I kindly request you provide evidence to back up your claim, as I am positive everyone who has, and may, use Kronus Heilgar's service would like to know if they are putting themselves at risk by using a potentially forbidden service. I think CCP would also like to see your evidence, seeing as how they put a story about this service on their front page.


So are you trying to say that every single person in eve, or close to it (even inactive) have listed their partial or full api and character ID on some website somewhere for the OP to find?


Just stop and say that out loud and ask yourself if that sounds silly. Go ahead. Do it.



On a much smaller scale what OP did would be possible legitimatly.
However on this scale its not that its simply improbable. Mathamatically it is impossible. Without of course data mining the eve client.

The Russians did it and the Chinese also did it. Go looking hard enough and you will find a wide number of tools the OP could have used to mine the data directly from tranq. With a few separate people doing it he could probably have all the data he has now and be more or less ionconspicious about it in less then a month.

What is up for discussion is not what illegal tool he used or how long it took him. What is up for discussion is how the flying funkerwomple did he get away with it.


Edit: The only way I can see him doing this legit is if he bribed SYSops of battle clinic and other major API based storage and record systems to feed his database.



Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.05 02:03:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 05/08/2011 02:04:16
Originally by: Xenuria
Edited by: Xenuria on 05/08/2011 01:47:58
So are you trying to say that every single person in eve, or close to it (even inactive) have listed their partial or full api and character ID on some website somewhere for the OP to find?


Holy crapknuckles. Stupidity has infected the forums!!! Quick, call the CDC.

Step 1: I look at forum. If I look at the link that clicking on your photo takes me to, (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=bigshot&cid=1735645598) I see that little part that says "cid=1735645598". Now I know that your characterID is 1735645598.

Step 2: I query the API server with this new knowledge. http://api.eve-online.com/eve/CharacterInfo.xml.aspx?characterID=1735645598. This provides me with all the data I need to run E.C.I.

Step 3: ??????

Step 4: Evolution leads to the extinction of stupid people. Profit!!

If you'll kindly notice, nowhere in the above steps was there an API key required to gather data. Dur...

EDIT: you know what, just keep it going. I hear this nagging sound, it sounds kinda like "free bump, free bump, free bump"

Synthmilk
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.05 02:13:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Synthmilk on 05/08/2011 02:17:45
Originally by: Xenuria
So are you trying to say that every single person in eve, or close to it (even inactive) have listed their partial or full api and character ID on some website somewhere for the OP to find?


Nope, just saying it's extremely unlikely that CCP staff could have talked to Kronus Heilgar about his large number of API calls, and the system generating them, without having investigated how he gathered his characterID's. Not API keyes, he has said he does not gather API keyes from anywhere.

So while from the layman's perspective it seems fishy that such a large amount of this kind of data is out there, the fact that this service has the CCP stamp of approval makes me unconcerned about it's methods.

EDIT: Annnnd Mr. Heilgar has pulled back the curtain of mystery to reveal...nothing illegal. Ta-Da!

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.05 02:21:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Synthmilk
Back Pedal


Whats that? Are you back peddling?

Synthmilk
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.05 02:29:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Synthmilk on 05/08/2011 02:29:53
Originally by: Xenuria
Whats that? Are you back peddling?


Fail troll is fail?

You asked a question and I answered it, and nothing of what I answered with contradicted anything I said previously. I acknowledged your position that the odds seem high from a layperson's perspective, and gave my reasoning for taking the position that the system in question is legit unless evidence is presented that says otherwise.

If that's back peddling, then, yea, I guess I am Very Happy

Edited for neatness.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.05 03:47:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Synthmilk
Edited by: Synthmilk on 05/08/2011 02:29:53
Originally by: Xenuria
Whats that? Are you back peddling?


Fail troll is fail?

You asked a question and I answered it, and nothing of what I answered with contradicted anything I said previously. I acknowledged your position that the odds seem high from a layperson's perspective, and gave my reasoning for taking the position that the system in question is legit unless evidence is presented that says otherwise.

If that's back peddling, then, yea, I guess I am Very Happy

Edited for neatness.


Look whose calling who a troll. "Snythmilk"? Sounds like a techy Shotocon.
Also your system is still ill gotten.. from a datamine. You just admitted that the IDs on the eve forum site were used to mine information.

That in and of itself is against the rules. At this point your building my case for me.

will valentine
Posted - 2011.08.05 14:18:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

If you'll kindly notice, nowhere in the above steps was there an API key required to gather data. Dur...


Took all of 30 secs to work out how you farmed your data even before I got to p2. Just think it's a shame you allowed yourself to get trolled by the stupid into publishing your methods. And hope you've not devalued your service too much in doing so.

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.08.05 14:50:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: will valentine
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

If you'll kindly notice, nowhere in the above steps was there an API key required to gather data. Dur...


Took all of 30 secs to work out how you farmed your data even before I got to p2. Just think it's a shame you allowed yourself to get trolled by the stupid into publishing your methods. And hope you've not devalued your service too much in doing so.

Haha, thank you for the concern but what I explained was pretty much public knowledge, and is only a very small part of the entire system. It's mostly the infrastructure I'm running that people pay for anyways.


Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only