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G 0 D
Posted - 2011.07.23 20:02:00 - [1]
 


I find it interesting that the server population has actually gone down since the Incarna expansion.

Shouldn't the expansion and all these new marketing campaigns they have been doing (eve is real, advertising on every popular game website with bs news articles ect) be bringing more players to the game?

CCP have lost touch with their player base and the last 3 expansions have added nothing of value to the sandbox, which is no surprise that each of those expansions have failed to bring CCP more subscriptions.

Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.07.23 20:14:00 - [2]
 

Why are you even allowed to post?

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.23 20:35:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: G 0 D

I find it interesting that the server population has actually gone down since the Incarna expansion.

Shouldn't the expansion and all these new marketing campaigns they have been doing (eve is real, advertising on every popular game website with bs news articles ect) be bringing more players to the game?

CCP have lost touch with their player base and the last 3 expansions have added nothing of value to the sandbox, which is no surprise that each of those expansions have failed to bring CCP more subscriptions.


You haven't been playing for 3 expansions nub.

Duvida
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.07.23 21:37:00 - [4]
 

To the OP: Citations please? Your opinion needs backup.

To Meryl, if he's allowed to post, you are too. If he isn't, it would be for the same reasons we'd disallow your postings.

To Cipher, you're right, the last 3 expansions HAVE added things, although... they could have been both better at the start and expanded on in the last while. But you're right overall on that one.

One thing that new players are going to find an issue with is that hardware burning issue. CCP's response has been to post a shopping list. A new player is going to realize that they are now required to spend a lot more than the initial purchase and sub fee. That dollar/euro shock isn't small. And it probably doesn't really address the problems with the extra work that your machine seems to be doing with any CQ-related coding.






Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:02:00 - [5]
 

Let's see, I came back less than a month before Incarna and haven't been scared off yet. Previous EVE experience was really only a 10 week stint in mining that actually did drive me away for 9 months due to the sheer boredom and lack of profit in mining. So you could at least consider me a newish player that at least hasn't been driven off by Incarna. Nor did I come onboard for Incarna either. Didn't know anything about it until maybe a week before it was deployed. My philosophy is to pretend that the NeX store does not exist. If CPP does not generate sufficient revenue from MT to justify the development costs, then they will eventually return to developing actual game content. Provided, of course, that they do not gamble so much that they go bankrupt first.

Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:26:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: G 0 D

I find it interesting that the server population has actually gone down since the Incarna expansion.

Shouldn't the expansion and all these new marketing campaigns they have been doing (eve is real, advertising on every popular game website with bs news articles ect) be bringing more players to the game?

CCP have lost touch with their player base and the last 3 expansions have added nothing of value to the sandbox, which is no surprise that each of those expansions have failed to bring CCP more subscriptions.


Shouldn't you be playing Perpetuum?

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:28:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Why are you even allowed to post?


Because he hasn't called anybody at CCP 'terrible'?

Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:40:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Why are you even allowed to post?


Because he hasn't called anybody at CCP 'terrible'?


Maybe he could just post a link to some inappropriate content like some other butthurt loser.

Atedar Kerane
Silentium Mortalitas
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:42:00 - [9]
 

Buy a monocle, I've heard they prevent you from crying

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.23 22:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Important Person
Originally by: G 0 D

I find it interesting that the server population has actually gone down since the Incarna expansion.

Shouldn't the expansion and all these new marketing campaigns they have been doing (eve is real, advertising on every popular game website with bs news articles ect) be bringing more players to the game?

CCP have lost touch with their player base and the last 3 expansions have added nothing of value to the sandbox, which is no surprise that each of those expansions have failed to bring CCP more subscriptions.


Shouldn't you be playing Perpetuum?


He spends all his time posting in these forums - that's clearly a measure of how good Perpetuum is.

If I had the choice between playing Perpetuum or wiping my backside with a cactus - I would be looking round for the tweezers pretty sharpish.


Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.23 23:16:00 - [11]
 

incarna offers nothing from a gameplay standpoint, and "eve is real" is actually pretty embarrassing for an ad campaign push.

I mean seriously, CCP's idea of advertising to a broader audience is to market the game as a bunch of people who take video games too seriously?

Good job with that.

Sieges
Posted - 2011.07.23 23:43:00 - [12]
 

I have not seen a population drop. But I also have not seen an influx of new players.

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.23 23:44:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
incarna offers nothing from a gameplay standpoint, and "eve is real" is actually pretty embarrassing for an ad campaign push.

I mean seriously, CCP's idea of advertising to a broader audience is to market the game as a bunch of people who take video games too seriously?

Good job with that.


You've never gotten lost in the moment then? Never had an experience in this game where you watched players from all around the world roast because of your actions? Heart banging in your chest as the choices you make cause a cascade that ends in the destruction of a fleet or annihilation of an alliance offensive ... A moment perhaps you were proud of and wanted to share with the community?

That's the game I love. If I had the media captured, I'd be sharing it on that site without hesitation.

It's not like they're asking us to LARP for crying out load. Perhaps at the next fan fest.


Samuel Wess
Posted - 2011.07.23 23:46:00 - [14]
 

I tried to quit eve after 4 years with this patch screwing the game but it seems that features removed from game (hangar view) does not entitle me to a reimbursment for the rest of the year that i payed, and that sucks! First time getting scammed in eve Laughing

Denise Le'Slut
Posted - 2011.07.23 23:48:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
I mean seriously, CCP's idea of advertising to a broader audience is to market the game as a bunch of people who take video games too seriously?


yeah i shivered too. the guy in the video should be given some epic level 80 battle axe and a tigerpony to ride on, instead of making me feel like a nerdy teenager in just another mmo. i hate this trailer so much.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.24 00:02:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: G 0 D

I find it interesting that the server population has actually gone down since the Incarna expansion.

Shouldn't the expansion and all these new marketing campaigns they have been doing (eve is real, advertising on every popular game website with bs news articles ect) be bringing more players to the game?

CCP have lost touch with their player base and the last 3 expansions have added nothing of value to the sandbox, which is no surprise that each of those expansions have failed to bring CCP more subscriptions.
I'm actually more perplexed as to how someone who has since weeks ago implicitly stated he's leaving Eve, and has been advertising on how awesome and so much better Perpetuum is STILL continues to post and STILL is very much active and involved in Eve mediums.

I mean, if Eve has been such a dissapointment and your gaming interests lay elsewhere and you're leaving Eve shouldn't you be posting less on these forums?


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.24 00:11:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Sieges
I have not seen a population drop.
I have.

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.24 00:18:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Kuronaga on 24/07/2011 00:19:15
Originally by: Tautut
Originally by: Kuronaga
incarna offers nothing from a gameplay standpoint, and "eve is real" is actually pretty embarrassing for an ad campaign push.

I mean seriously, CCP's idea of advertising to a broader audience is to market the game as a bunch of people who take video games too seriously?

Good job with that.


You've never gotten lost in the moment then? Never had an experience in this game where you watched players from all around the world roast because of your actions? Heart banging in your chest as the choices you make cause a cascade that ends in the destruction of a fleet or annihilation of an alliance offensive ... A moment perhaps you were proud of and wanted to share with the community?

That's the game I love. If I had the media captured, I'd be sharing it on that site without hesitation.

It's not like they're asking us to LARP for crying out load. Perhaps at the next fan fest.




Have you ever danced like an idiot alone in your room at 3:00 AM?

Maybe, maybe not.

Do you make it a point to brag to all your friends about it?

No.

And you sure as hell wouldn't do that if you were trying to sell them something.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.24 00:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sieges
I have not seen a population drop.
I have.

Is there anyplace to find info on the weekly concurrent users average for like the last two years?

my forum/google fu sucks tonight.Embarassed

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.07.24 00:58:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sieges
I have not seen a population drop.
I have.


So the net change from May 15 till July 23 is about -1000 or -2.2%. We are about -5000, or -9.3%, from the high on June 25. So basically the surge of activity surrounding Incarna's launch lasted 1.5 weeks post launch before returning to around prelaunch levels. Enough to say that Incarna is a failed expansion, but far from demonstrating that "Eve is dying."

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.24 01:01:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jacob Stiller
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sieges
I have not seen a population drop.
I have.


So the net change from May 15 till July 23 is about -1000 or -2.2%. We are about -5000, or -9.3%, from the high on June 25. So basically the surge of activity surrounding Incarna's launch lasted 1.5 weeks post launch before returning to around prelaunch levels. Enough to say that Incarna is a failed expansion, but far from demonstrating that "Eve is dying."


For eve to die it has to drop below the 5k that were playing when i first started.

Iron Breaker
Posted - 2011.07.24 03:05:00 - [22]
 

I do not think they want to attract new players. Every time they manage to get up to around 55k players on at once the server crashes. It would likely cost to much to expand their hardware to handel more players.

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.07.24 03:40:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Iron Breaker
I do not think they want to attract new players. Every time they manage to get up to around 55k players on at once the server crashes. It would likely cost to much to expand their hardware to handel more players.


IB, I posted a link in your thread to a tanked hulk loadout I found. I think we all know what's eating you. Razz

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.07.24 05:12:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
incarna offers nothing from a gameplay standpoint, and "eve is real" is actually pretty embarrassing for an ad campaign push.

I mean seriously, CCP's idea of advertising to a broader audience is to market the game as a bunch of people who take video games too seriously?

Good job with that.

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:02:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
Edited by: Kuronaga on 24/07/2011 00:19:15
Originally by: Tautut
Originally by: Kuronaga
incarna offers nothing from a gameplay standpoint, and "eve is real" is actually pretty embarrassing for an ad campaign push.

I mean seriously, CCP's idea of advertising to a broader audience is to market the game as a bunch of people who take video games too seriously?

Good job with that.


You've never gotten lost in the moment then? Never had an experience in this game where you watched players from all around the world roast because of your actions? Heart banging in your chest as the choices you make cause a cascade that ends in the destruction of a fleet or annihilation of an alliance offensive ... A moment perhaps you were proud of and wanted to share with the community?

That's the game I love. If I had the media captured, I'd be sharing it on that site without hesitation.

It's not like they're asking us to LARP for crying out load. Perhaps at the next fan fest.




Have you ever danced like an idiot alone in your room at 3:00 AM?

Maybe, maybe not.

Do you make it a point to brag to all your friends about it?

No.

And you sure as hell wouldn't do that if you were trying to sell them something.



No but I was part of the fleet that took down the first dread in game. I was pure tackler and sacrificed my ship keep that lump pinned down long enough to pop. I loved that moment in game and would have shared it with anyone. I also did a nice covert ops job on Ushra Khaaaaaaaaaaaan a few years back when I was with the CVA. I didn't fire a shot but enjoyed watching their attack fleet melt before my eyes around a planet in Yulai because of the work I did to guide in the CVA.

These are minor achievements in this game but still moments that I cannot imagine getting anywhere else. There must be hundreds of stories waiting to be told. Are you saying you have none that you would want to share with your fellow Eve gamers or people interested in the game?

Not sure I understand your point about dancing at 3am. If I could dance, maybe I would Facebook it.

Ku Feym
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:13:00 - [26]
 

You're right about the expansions not bringing more subscriptions. CCP even admitted as much in one of those press releases/dev blogs I recall.

That's the reason they need MT. Their game is going the way of all the other failed MMOs that have to flip over to a free to play model. They keep rolling the dice on each new patch and either add stuff only the hardcore vets would care for or they **** everyone off completely with unwelcomed content.

Or better yet, sell EVE to Sony and focus on WoD/DUST.

Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:19:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: G 0 D

I find it interesting that the server population has actually gone down since the Incarna expansion.

Shouldn't the expansion and all these new marketing campaigns they have been doing (eve is real, advertising on every popular game website with bs news articles ect) be bringing more players to the game?

CCP have lost touch with their player base and the last 3 expansions have added nothing of value to the sandbox, which is no surprise that each of those expansions have failed to bring CCP more subscriptions.


I wouldn't worry, DUST and WoD will surely keep CCPs numbers up, or it's just a "summer-slump", or some other made-up statements of other persons in denial... Just play EVE, enjoy it for the epicness it is and save our bucks for the next two epic game releases. Honestly, what are you worried about? according to the vocal majority, nothing is wrong and everything is fine *keep using R-12, and CCFs in aerosol*... EVERYTHING IS FINE, really! Shocked

G 0 D
Posted - 2011.07.24 09:40:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sieges
I have not seen a population drop.
I have.


Good link, thanks for adding it to this thread.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.24 10:12:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: G 0 D
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sieges
I have not seen a population drop.
I have.


Good link, thanks for adding it to this thread.


That link proves nothing.

What must be looked at is inter-annual change rate, and do it for at least 3 months. If the numbers for July/August/September 2011 are clearly below the same months in 2010 and 2009, then there may be an issue beyond botters being banned.

All in all and beyond forum wars, Incarna has been disappointing people around and it's hard to come by someone pleased with it, and CCP's policy of adding shiny before cleaning the house may provide them rough times in the near future. If we get the other CQs and they still got the same lighting issues as the Minmatar one, I sure will worry for EVE's future... Sad

Devious Relation
Posted - 2011.07.24 10:19:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Why are you even allowed to post?


Because he is god, god can do wtf he wants :)


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