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Rushnik
Minmatar
Anhalter's Minions

Posted - 2011.07.28 05:29:00 - [31]
 

Can we now move on without Star Wars?

Bl00dyAngel
Caldari
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.28 08:29:00 - [32]
 

No, we can't.

Fakt ist that a Stardestroyer (Empire Class) is armed with: 60 Turbo Lazors, 60 Ion Cannonz and all the Tie Fighters.

My Battleship only got 16 Guns. So they have to be big!

Rushnik
Minmatar
Anhalter's Minions
Posted - 2011.07.28 16:13:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Bl00dyAngel
No, we can't.

Fakt ist that a Stardestroyer (Empire Class) is armed with: 60 Turbo Lazors, 60 Ion Cannonz and all the Tie Fighters.

My Battleship only got 16 Guns. So they have to be big!


Oh, you should have imo big guns on your battleship, but never reason with Star Wars (in any form) in EVE ever.


Valor D'eglise
Gallente
Red Cross Of Gallente Federation
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:31:00 - [34]
 

I think turrets are in scale to the ship when compared to their caliber. So I don't support any rescaling without a changing the caliber OR rescaling the ships themselves. With the new Mauler being the first (and thus at the moment the only) ship that is in scale, CCP indirectly admitted that current ship models are not in scale, whereas I feel like the turrets could be. When measuring and calculating the relations some are too big, some are too small, however overall turret scale seems to be believable...
The 800m autocannon is 14m long. On a 1000m long mach this is just 1,4% of the ships length. The problem is not the cannons being too small, it's rather a mismatch between shipsize and caliber, as the turrets are in scale (more or less). If you just make the canons bigger it breaks the scale, the muzzle of a 1200mm artie is supposed to be 1,2m in diameter - not 12m or 120m even.

I will support this, if you add the demand to rework the calibers to stay in scale with the bigger turrets and the (future?) ship sizes.

Rushnik
Minmatar
Anhalter's Minions
Posted - 2011.07.28 22:33:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Valor D'eglise
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Oh I already made the shipsize caliber comparison showing the scale is used from real life naval BS'.

Originally by: Rushnik

The Bismarck was 251m long and had 8 x 380mm.
The Hurricane is 492m long (if thats right ... wth) and those are supposed to be 720mm.



Its from this thread.

Comparing pictures of the Bismarck and the Hurricane with 720mm will show you that the turrets are not in scale as intended, because they are supposed to look BIGGER.

Can you accept this explanation?

I admit that all that talk is difficult without having something like the "International Prototype Meter" in EVE.


Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.29 05:11:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Rushnik
Originally by: Valor D'eglise
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Oh I already made the shipsize caliber comparison showing the scale is used from real life naval BS'.

Originally by: Rushnik

The Bismarck was 251m long and had 8 x 380mm.
The Hurricane is 492m long (if thats right ... wth) and those are supposed to be 720mm.



Its from this thread.

Comparing pictures of the Bismarck and the Hurricane with 720mm will show you that the turrets are not in scale as intended, because they are supposed to look BIGGER.

Can you accept this explanation?

I admit that all that talk is difficult without having something like the "International Prototype Meter" in EVE.




Then I believe the problem is not that the turrets are incorrectly scaled, but its the ships that are incorrectly scaled? I mean, I can be 2500m away from a can, and it sure doesn't look like it can fit 5 hurricanes in between me and the can. The scaling is just bungled.

Rushnik
Minmatar
Anhalter's Minions
Posted - 2011.07.29 12:20:00 - [37]
 

So we now have a rough understanding of the scaling in EVE. Its messed up not only in the guns department.

We dont know how CCP measure scale in the game. I'd sure like to know, because commenting on this topic gets hard as it goes into a vague direction.

This topic needs more clarification on what is all to be fixed. Some kind of conclusion imo.

I have some ideas, but no time right now. I'll maybe write something down in the next few days.

Photon Ceray
Posted - 2011.07.30 17:27:00 - [38]
 

Yes

Make them big and scary! they should look intimidating and proportionate to the ship size.
Frigs look more intimidating up close than cruisers and BS because of the size of the guns.
Same like in real life, bigger gun vs small tiny gun.

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.08.03 11:22:00 - [39]
 

People need only look at dreads to realise all there previous arguments about scaling are meaningless.


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