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Nicoletta Mithra
Amarr
Ordo Novus Mul-Zatah
Posted - 2011.07.22 13:30:00 - [1]
 

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Greetings capsuleers of New Eden!

I'm happy to announce the opening of the Temple of the Four Corners to the general puplic, mere days after the completion of the building itself. I'd like to encourage everyone of you to visit the Temple either in person on Tekaima IV or via holographic presence for which plenty of drones are ready. If you prefer the latter for whatever reasons, simply use "Temple of the Four Corners" as entry phrase for the virtual connection.

After I've said this, many of you might ask: "What is the Temple of the Four Corners?"
Th Temple aims to be a spiritual meeting spot for all capsuleers of New Eden. While it is not a place of religious arbitrariness and it is deeply steeped in the Amarrian spiritual and mystical tradition, it aims to allow everyone to experience first hand the depth and meaningfulness that the Amarrian path can add to day to day life. It aims to be a place where capsuleers from all the four corners of the cluster can come together in peace and celebrate the divine not only in the Amarrian tradition, but also where we can look together into how this spirituality can be integrated into the daily life of people of different cultural backgrounds and how maybe parts of these cultural background that is still foreign to the Amarr tradition can be integrated into it in a seminal and wholesome way, thus balancing the opposing forces within and without ourselves.
The focus will be less on reading and explaining Scripture, as this is already done elsewhere, but more on presenting the mystical and spiritual context to Scripture studies and putting all this into practice.

The guiding principle behind this may be expressed as following:
"We revere and love all good thoughts, words and deeds that may have been presented here or else-where, now or at any future period. Because we are on the side of goodness."

All capsuleers that feel addressed by this pursuit of exploring spirituality are invited to join me this evening at 21:00 EST in the Temple for the official opening ceremony!

Faithfully,
N. Mithra

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.22 13:43:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 22/07/2011 13:45:07
Does the temple support or oppose the continue enslavement as well as the "reclaiming" of non-Amarrians as endorsed by the currently most prevalent and influental religious caste in the Empire?

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.22 13:56:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 22/07/2011 13:45:07
Does the temple support or oppose the continue enslavement as well as the "reclaiming" of non-Amarrians as endorsed by the currently most prevalent and influental religious caste in the Empire?



Could you clarify what you define as the "most prevalent and influential religious cast in the Empire" currently? No, this is not an attempt to bait you into a huge debate, I am simply curious of your perception on the matter, nothing more.

Karmilla Strife
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Posted - 2011.07.22 13:59:00 - [4]
 

The temple is a building. I imagine it supports a rooftop and leaves the opinions of the owner and guests to themselves.

Nicoletta Mithra
Amarr
Ordo Novus Mul-Zatah
Posted - 2011.07.22 14:02:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra on 22/07/2011 14:06:48
Dear Cpt. Sadik

The Temple is neither in support nor opposition to any worldly policy pushed by any of the four great nations of the cluster. It's taking a politically neutral stance as it is not concerned with politics: It aims at spiritual wellbeing.

Being in the Amarrian tradition the concept of slavery and reclaiming plays a role in it's spirituality, though they are rather employed as a metaphor or analogy that - understood properly - is able to shed some light on deeper spiritual truth.

But, that being said, I'd like to repeat that this does in no way implicate that continued enslavement of fellow human beings or the need for Reclaiming as pushed by political elites within the Empire. Spiritual truth as the temple understands them are primarily concerned with the relationship of the practitioner to himself and the divine.

On that note: You might have noticed that the Temple itself is located in space that's directly under this jurisdiction and sovereignty of CONCORD, thus, so no slaves are employed whatsoever. In any practical actions that the Temple takes we aim to conform to the principle of maximal acceptability, that is, as far as possible we try to avoid any action that might put anyone who'd want to visit the Temple into a moral conflict.

Regards,
N. Mithra

P.S: As Cpt. Strife indicated, as far as the Temple is concerned everyone is entitled to their own opinions and the Temple doesn't aim to touch them. This includes that the Temple isn't meant as a venue for political debate - for that I'd refer to the New Eden Assembly.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.07.22 14:08:00 - [6]
 

Are those who study or follow the works of Ocilan Ardishapur, Aramon Khalid, and Paragyn Koreithis welcome in this place?

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.22 14:20:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra
... considerate explanation ...


Thank you for the considerate reply. Good luck trying to stay neutral - conflicts tend to push people to one side or the other. And remember that "to be neutral in a situation of injustice is to have chosen sides."

Fly Free.

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Could you clarify what you define as the "most prevalent and influential religious cast in the Empire" currently?


The people who proclaim that they want to "help [...] save the Minmatar from themselves" and "will do it with the deathless force". The people who follow the words of your god when he said "Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." The people who believe that "none shall stand higher than [them] save the Sefrim, who serve [your god] as others shall serve [the Amarr]" and that "Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens" - and actually believe that "Heavens" there is a reference to space.

More pragmatically, the people who support the current enslavement of the Minmatar people under the ninth generation and the proclaimed goals of the 24th crusade.

It would be much shorter to say "the ones who believe in the official Amarrian faith", but sadly that will just make half a dozen sects and splinter groups jump out of the woodwork and tell me that Ms. Sarum and the Theological Council all got it wrong and the true Amarrian Faith is, like, totally different.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.22 14:43:00 - [8]
 

Thank you for the clarification, captain.

Nicoletta Mithra
Amarr
Ordo Novus Mul-Zatah
Posted - 2011.07.22 15:04:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra on 22/07/2011 15:06:19
Cpt. Airaken,

Every capsuleer is welcome as long as he comes in the spirit of peace and the intent to learn. That said, the Temple is not the place to worship the men you mentioned, nor to push their point of view. Their relation to the Amarrian tradition is an interesting topic and might be put in the spot of light on the right occasion, if the need arises, though.

I hope that answers your question.


Cpt. Sadik,

that the Temple is a politically neutral Institution doesn't mean that those employed or related to it are. In fact, we encourage anyone to take a side if they see a situation of injustice. But that is their personal prerogative and the Temple doesn't push this or any definite stance in such matters onto them or even those who'd like to visit. The Temple is not the place for political dissent or any politics for that matter.

I hope everyone will be able to respect the sanctity of a space devoted to the experience of the divine and refrain from sullying it with such profane - though maybe none the less important - matters.

Regards,
N. Mithra

Tiberious Thessalonia
Amarr
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.07.22 15:27:00 - [10]
 

I have been asked by Templar Nicoletta to help her with this project as Guardian of the Southern Corner. This should mean several things to those of you who know me, and it requires some explanation of what my role means in regards to the neutrality of the temple and my own well known political opinions.

I am anti-slavery, personally. As this is not a political body, however, my focus in guardianship of the corner representing the Amarr is on the spiritual truths that are contained within the institution, and not on the specific form that those truths have unfortunatly, in my opinion and that of much of the cluster, been taught.

As my role has been explained to me, I am a little bit of a curator, a little bit of a counsellor, a little bit of a teacher, and most of all a student.

I swear now that I am dedicated to peace within the cluster, and the harmonious operation of Creation.

Please, feel free to come and talk to me in the temple, if you wish. I will never turn someone away as long as they have similar intentions.

Nicoletta Mithra
Amarr
Ordo Novus Mul-Zatah
Posted - 2011.07.22 15:45:00 - [11]
 

At this point I'd like to say a word of thanks to Guardian Tiberious for agreeing to stand up to this task. It is wonderful to have you, Tiberious, helping me with this. I assure everyone that he will welcome you at least as warmly in the Temple as I do!

-N. Mithra

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.22 16:17:00 - [12]
 

An interesting step, Tiberious.

I will speak with you later.

Aashiyana Jadran
Posted - 2011.07.22 17:54:00 - [13]
 

This might be interesting.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.22 23:09:00 - [14]
 

I am sorry not to be able to come for the opening, as I am still stuck planetside. This is promising.

My best wishes,
Farel.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.23 10:47:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Karmilla Strife
The temple is a building. I imagine it supports a rooftop and leaves the opinions of the owner and guests to themselves.


Exactly my sentiment sister Strife.

Domitianus Fury
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.23 16:28:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra


The Temple is neither in support nor opposition to any worldly policy pushed by any of the four great nations of the cluster. It's taking a politically neutral stance as it is not concerned with politics: It aims at spiritual wellbeing.

Being in the Amarrian tradition the concept of slavery and reclaiming plays a role in it's spirituality, though they are rather employed as a metaphor or analogy that - understood properly - is able to shed some light on deeper spiritual truth.

But, that being said, I'd like to repeat that this does in no way implicate that continued enslavement of fellow human beings or the need for Reclaiming as pushed by political elites within the Empire. Spiritual truth as the temple understands them are primarily concerned with the relationship of the practitioner to himself and the divine.

On that note: You might have noticed that the Temple itself is located in space that's directly under this jurisdiction and sovereignty of CONCORD, thus, so no slaves are employed whatsoever. In any practical actions that the Temple takes we aim to conform to the principle of maximal acceptability, that is, as far as possible we try to avoid any action that might put anyone who'd want to visit the Temple into a moral conflict.



Are you trying to appease the lesser races with your neutral stance and by not embracing enlightenment through slavery? Are you opposed to enlightenment via slavery? Are you against Amarrian Reclaiming through military force? Are you a heretic?

Gyra Rho
New Eden Racing Association
Posted - 2011.07.23 17:39:00 - [17]
 

I'm not really the religious type, but here's hoping your venture meets with success. Surprised

Tiberious Thessalonia
Amarr
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.07.23 17:53:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra


The Temple is neither in support nor opposition to any worldly policy pushed by any of the four great nations of the cluster. It's taking a politically neutral stance as it is not concerned with politics: It aims at spiritual wellbeing.

Being in the Amarrian tradition the concept of slavery and reclaiming plays a role in it's spirituality, though they are rather employed as a metaphor or analogy that - understood properly - is able to shed some light on deeper spiritual truth.

But, that being said, I'd like to repeat that this does in no way implicate that continued enslavement of fellow human beings or the need for Reclaiming as pushed by political elites within the Empire. Spiritual truth as the temple understands them are primarily concerned with the relationship of the practitioner to himself and the divine.

On that note: You might have noticed that the Temple itself is located in space that's directly under this jurisdiction and sovereignty of CONCORD, thus, so no slaves are employed whatsoever. In any practical actions that the Temple takes we aim to conform to the principle of maximal acceptability, that is, as far as possible we try to avoid any action that might put anyone who'd want to visit the Temple into a moral conflict.



Are you trying to appease the lesser races with your neutral stance and by not embracing enlightenment through slavery? Are you opposed to enlightenment via slavery? Are you against Amarrian Reclaiming through military force? Are you a heretic?


In a sense, yes, and in a sense, no. This temple is a temple aimed towards capsuleers, rather than to baseline humans, and is aimed towards giving capsuleers something to provide meaning to their lives rather than random excessive violence. I do not agree with slavery as a gateway to the faith, as I mentioned above, but Templar Nicoletta does. As this is a capsuleer-centric temple, however, the point is moot.

We are not heretics, no. We follow the light of the faith and seek to bring it to new places.

The Temple of Four Corners has no official stance, as far as I am aware, regarding the idea of reclaiming via military force, as that is not what we deal with.

Koronakesh
Amarr
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.07.23 19:14:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tiberious Thessalonia
This temple... is aimed towards giving capsuleers something to provide meaning to their lives rather than random excessive violence.
But that's one of the best spices in life you can find!

Nicoletta Mithra
Amarr
Ordo Novus Mul-Zatah
Posted - 2011.07.24 04:36:00 - [20]
 

Cpt. Fury,

please allow me to answer your questions one after the other:

Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Are you trying to appease the lesser races with your neutral stance and by not embracing enlightenment through slavery?


There's no need to appease anyone with anything. The politics of the Empire are in the hands of the Empress, the heirs, the ministries and their staff. The Temple is not a political body and thus has no need appease, it rather leaves the politics where it belongs to: in the hands of those institutions that are in the position to give political directions. The Temple is concerned (as already pointed out) with different things - and to achive these a neutral stance is as well beneficiary, as Guardian Thessalonia pointed out.

This by no means equates to 'not embracing enlightenment through slavery' as you implicate, as I'll discuss briefly as I answer your next question:

Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Are you opposed to enlightenment via slavery?


I'D like to refer to the following statement, I've already given.
Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra
Being in the Amarrian tradition the concept of slavery and reclaiming plays a role in it's spirituality, though they are rather employed as a metaphor or analogy that - understood properly - is able to shed some light on deeper spiritual truth.

But, that being said, [...] Spiritual truths as the temple understands them are primarily concerned with the relationship of the practitioner to himself and the divine.


If you want to indicate that the human institution of slavery doesn't point at some higher and more perfect, divine truths, then please state so directly. If you want to express the sentiment that everyone has to be literally enslaved to make progress towards the divine, I'd ask you under whom you've served your term?

Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Are you against Amarrian Reclaiming through military force?


The Temple is, as already stated, politically neutral. This also extends to the question of how the divine mandate for Reclaiming is to be realized politically.

As stated, the Temple is concerned with the spiritual implications of these concepts and the divine truth concealed - and revealed - by those mysteries.

Originally by: Domitianus Fury
Are you a heretic?


Are you? Or do you simply want to offend by this rather impolite question?

Regards,
N. Mithra

Leopold Caine
Amarr
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.07.24 11:53:00 - [21]
 

I shall do my best to attend at first possible chance, I'm sure it is a rather interesting place for discussion.

Out of curiosity, the logo at the center of the Temple's symbol is very reminiscent of the Theology Council's. Is this a coincidence or an intentional hommage of some sorts?

Nicoletta Mithra
Amarr
Ordo Novus Mul-Zatah
Posted - 2011.07.24 14:08:00 - [22]
 

Cpt. Caine

That the logo at the center of the Temple's symbol is reminiscent of the Theology Council's has mainly two reasons:
First it is constructed by the same logographic principles as the Theology Council's.
Second, two of three of the three elements of the Temple's logo are identical with the two elements of the Theology Counil's.
That this is the case is a result of the Temple's name and wasn't directly intended.

-N. Mithra


 

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