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dicen3
Posted - 2011.07.22 05:48:00 - [1]
 

Hopefully people will read this thread before they subscribe. The Mac client is not playable. Missing tectures everywhere and 5 FPS on a MacBook Pro in CQ (Captains Quarters). CCP never fixes anything. They do not care.

Save your money.

Nebukadnetsa
Posted - 2011.07.22 06:58:00 - [2]
 

Hmm, i have at least 25 FPS in CQ(Captain quarters) and I play EVE on Mac Air, so looks like u do something wrong...

And I know people which run 3 clients at the same time on their Macbook Pro, so

Serpents smile
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:59:00 - [3]
 

No problem with CQ here.
It's turned off. Laughing

Rest has been pretty playable for me for the past 4 years.

annab
Amarr
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.22 10:06:00 - [4]
 

Works OK here. The CQ take a few seconds but I expect its online.

CCP have brought out a patch yesterday that fixed a load of issues.

Whats the issues your having dican3?

Let us all know so we can test it report it and get it fixed.


By us all reporting an issues it seem to get it fixed.


Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.07.22 10:57:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 22/07/2011 10:57:58
Originally by: dicen3
Ö The Mac client is not playable. Ö They do not care Ö Save your money.


Imagine where we would be today if Rosa Parks had the same attitude as you.

Missing textures? Have you filed a bug report?

Client crashing? Have you filed a bug report?

Tommy Machiavelli
Posted - 2011.07.22 14:47:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: annab
Works OK here. The CQ take a few seconds but I expect its online.

CCP have brought out a patch yesterday that fixed a load of issues.

Whats the issues your having dican3?

Let us all know so we can test it report it and get it fixed.


By us all reporting an issues it seem to get it fixed.




The most recent patch fixed a load of issues?

Per the patch notes: "Resolved a rendering issue for turret icons, including turret blueprints, which would cause them to not render or render as black squares. Symptoms included info windows, market UI, and the container UI scrollbar not working for these items. Turret 3d assets were in no way affected."

So...turrent icons? Huge load of issues fixed.

Reporting issues helps to some extent, but there is still a lot wrong with the Mac client. Look at all of the recent posts concerning crashes and other issues. Incarna has been out for a few weeks; it shouldn't be this bad for so many users still.

Ahnkar
Posted - 2011.07.22 15:37:00 - [7]
 

Even one item can be considered a load.

Tommy Machiavelli
Posted - 2011.07.22 19:10:00 - [8]
 

@Ahnkar sure, one item can be considered a load. I just don't personally think that turret icons are THAT significant given the scope of Mac problems that are out there right now. I understand industrialists were pretty livid about it (and understandably), but I think there are bigger issues right now.

Ahnkar
Posted - 2011.07.22 21:29:00 - [9]
 

lol, I understand, just a bit slap happy :D

Karinna Sibealeous
Minmatar
Fell Family Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.23 11:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Beat General
dont buy ~any~ games if you have a mac.

if you want to game get a computer with windows.

-general levy

They should scan your IQ before allowing you onto the Mac forum. Is your life really so sad that you have nothing better to do than troll the forum spouting the Microsoft line?

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.24 18:07:00 - [11]
 

If you own this game don't buy a Mac? In all honestly at least I can play EVE Online better on my 2009 MBP than I could on my uber crap old PC. Think I'll just get a Mac Pro next and dual boot it.

annab
Amarr
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.24 18:07:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: annab on 24/07/2011 18:08:02
Originally by: Tommy Machiavelli
Originally by: annab
Works OK here. The CQ take a few seconds but I expect its online.

CCP have brought out a patch yesterday that fixed a load of issues.

Whats the issues your having dican3?

Let us all know so we can test it report it and get it fixed.


By us all reporting an issues it seem to get it fixed.





The most recent patch fixed a load of issues?

Per the patch notes: "Resolved a rendering issue for turret icons, including turret blueprints, which would cause them to not render or render as black squares. Symptoms included info windows, market UI, and the container UI scrollbar not working for these items. Turret 3d assets were in no way affected."

So...turrent icons? Huge load of issues fixed.

Reporting issues helps to some extent, but there is still a lot wrong with the Mac client. Look at all of the recent posts concerning crashes and other issues. Incarna has been out for a few weeks; it shouldn't be this bad for so many users still.



The patch did fix a lot issues for a lot of people. People could not build, buy any turrets, turret bpo or UI scrollbar not working. Thatís a lot of problems fixed in just a few weeks. As it affected all users its more important that whatís affecting a few people. It may not of fixed your issues but when ever has everything been fixed in one go?

Microsoft and Mac OS have been fixing things for years. Some how they have not fixed all the issues in the first week. Why, because some issues are bloody hard to find or fix.

The more people reporting giving accurate information bumps things up their list. If you donít like CCP not fixing whatever issues your having get more people to do tests and report. If everything is reported to CCP they will fix it but if no one knows about the issue. Its not getting fixed. You never know someone may have a work around.

Now grow some balls post your problem with steps to reproduce it. If you canít I call troll.


What Ev
Posted - 2011.07.27 13:27:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Serpents smile
No problem with CQ here.
It's turned off. Laughing

Rest has been pretty playable for me for the past 4 years.



How do you turn the CQ off? I consider it the worst addition to any game I've ever played. A complete inane effort. It's laggy for me. The game itself does freeze every few minutes for a few seconds. Not only the game freezes but it freezes my computer for a few seconds. Didn't have this problem at al pre-incarna

Galgalact
Posted - 2011.07.27 21:56:00 - [14]
 

If only I was blessed with hindsight.

I too like so many Mac users am just about fed up of not being able to play Eve like I used to pre-Incarna.

I have probably spent about 30 minutes in space in the past 2 weeks with the game freezing up and then crashing, in fact skilling is about all I can do right now!

I can not believe that I am actually stupid enough to be paying nigh on £30 a month (for 2 accounts) so that I can update my skills and then log!

I too have had the old "raise a bug report" response from CCP and frankly my response to that is NO!

Why no, well because I don't see why I should have to effectively do CCPs Beta Testing for Incarna! Did CCP do ANY testing on Mac before they decided to release Incarna? Frankly I would surprised if they had!

CCP this is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE and this is not the way to treat your fee paying customers (I say that as if they will actually read this post and actually take it seriously).

For me, I am giving CCP 2 weeks to fix Eve for Mac or else I am cancelling my 2 subs as I am fed up of paying out hard earned cash for zero product/service.

And if CCP don't get things sorted soon then I hope other Mac users walk away from the game too as frankly CCP do not deserve our support of this game in it's current state.

I come home from the stresses and strains of work to relax and part of that relaxation is gaming.... EVE for Mac is NOT a relaxing experience now and I am not prepared to keep something in my world that causes me this much stress, particularly when I am PAYING FOR IT!

I need to sit in a dark room for a bit now and calm down and forget about Eve for a little while.

Maelle LuzArdiden
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.07.28 17:28:00 - [15]
 

0 issues post-Incarna, which is less than before. CQ also runs ok on my late 2008 MBP, but I have no use (who has actually?) for the whole thing so I turned it off.

Galgalact
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:57:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Galgalact
If only I was blessed with hindsight.

I too like so many Mac users am just about fed up of not being able to play Eve like I used to pre-Incarna.

I have probably spent about 30 minutes in space in the past 2 weeks with the game freezing up and then crashing, in fact skilling is about all I can do right now!

I can not believe that I am actually stupid enough to be paying nigh on £30 a month (for 2 accounts) so that I can update my skills and then log!

I too have had the old "raise a bug report" response from CCP and frankly my response to that is NO!

Why no, well because I don't see why I should have to effectively do CCPs Beta Testing for Incarna! Did CCP do ANY testing on Mac before they decided to release Incarna? Frankly I would surprised if they had!

CCP this is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE and this is not the way to treat your fee paying customers (I say that as if they will actually read this post and actually take it seriously).

For me, I am giving CCP 2 weeks to fix Eve for Mac or else I am cancelling my 2 subs as I am fed up of paying out hard earned cash for zero product/service.

And if CCP don't get things sorted soon then I hope other Mac users walk away from the game too as frankly CCP do not deserve our support of this game in it's current state.

I come home from the stresses and strains of work to relax and part of that relaxation is gaming.... EVE for Mac is NOT a relaxing experience now and I am not prepared to keep something in my world that causes me this much stress, particularly when I am PAYING FOR IT!


Having thought about it over the past 24 hours (nearly) I have come to the decision that I've had enough. I have just cancelled my 2 accounts. A very sad day for me, but I am not prepared to continue to shell out my money in the hopes that CCP might finally get around to putting things right for Mac users.

Goodbye all, fly safe and don't stand for anymore sh*t from CCP if you're a Mac user, remember, you are paying for this poor service!

ApollonicShadow
Caldari
Creep Fleet Inc
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2011.07.29 09:35:00 - [17]
 

Used a Mac since my character was first started and never had a problem, well at least not a problem that Windows users didn't suffer either.

FawKa
Gallente
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.07.29 15:32:00 - [18]
 

Exclamation Buy Parallels, get windows YARRRR!!, play EVE on exposť screen no. whatever and be happy..

Seriously, it's not worth losing hair over CCP not making an effort to fix the mac client - it won't happen and everyone that has played this game for a long time should know that by now.

The above is a rather simple solution to run 10 clients again on a mac without issues.

Alison Ovaert
Posted - 2011.07.30 11:02:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Karinna Sibealeous

I'm not even getting into that debate, but as someone who's been using computers since 8086's, 286's and Windows 3.1.1 for Workgroups, and who only switched to a Mac 6 months ago I think I'm qualified enough to say "You're talking *******s!"


Yeah and I'm a former "mac fanboi" that built my own gaming rig and never looked back. So I'm qualified to say.. Macs suck **** And are rip offs.


Originally by: Karinna Sibealeous

I agree, sub $400 pc's can do lots of stuff, but all of it badly, and all of it in a constant state of update. Also a sub $400 PC can become part of a bot net, or transmit your credit card info and online banking passwords to some kid in Estonia, or screw you life over in any one of a dozen other ways...


Confirming that price of hardware determines susceptibility to hackers. Laughing

lrn to computer.

annab
Amarr
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:56:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: annab on 01/08/2011 00:00:23

Personally Macs are better on a lot of things when against a PC but if you want to play games Macs are behind but its not hardware or software. Its because most of the developers are just not up to the challenge of more that one OS for development.

A good example of a game done correctly is left for dead 2. This if nothing shows it can be done and done well when using OpenGL.

It boils down game developers who want to sell Mac games should start using a compilers that can do both DX11 and OpenGL not using cheap workarounds. Look at unity or the fact a Mac version of UDK is in the works to see that is can be done on a mid to high end game engines.

What we have is some sort of legend that Macs can't play games when the truth of the matter there are hardly any good developers. Most are using tricks to get the game to work on the cheap and in CCP case its bitten them on the ass royallyEmbarassed.

Terry Cheng
Caldari
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.01 13:45:00 - [21]
 

I have to say Eve runs acceptable on my 27'' iMac 2011 i7...

However I switched CQ off, as it is useless. (Why would I want to walk alone in my quarters? I rather have a spinning ship...)

I run 2-3 clients all the time and have zippo problems and near to no crashes. In fact Eve crashes on my HP laptop more often.

On the other hand Eve lacks in grafix performance far behind other Mac games that are done right. Not that I notice, since the iMac is so powerful, but if I turn up the FPS monitor and only get 30 FPS of mediocre grafix, where in other games (Portals 2, Battlefield, TF, ...) I get extremely good grafix and effects with 70-100 FPS.

However the same holds true on Windows. Eve even on a Windows machine (my friends gaming rig, with i7, 16 GB RAM and 6970 2Gig and SSD) Eve offers far worse results than current PC highend games. So as it looks, grafix optimization of Eve is not good across the board, independent of OS. So when you add the layer of Cider inbetween I have to say that the guys of Transgaming are doing an incredible job with Eve, as it runs not really much worse than on windows.

Only thing I cannot understand is, why Transgaming cannot offer better screen resolutions in Windowed Mode, having to use a 3rd party tool for this really is my worst complaint.
Also grafix FPS went down considerably with the last patch.

Correndous Hunt
Posted - 2011.08.01 21:59:00 - [22]
 

I have a 13" MBP (one of the older ones; I think this was a Summer 2010 revision) and the game itself runs absolutely fine. I have to crank the resolution down a bit but doing so sees a substantial increase in performance. However, after only a few seconds of play the hardware becomes approximately as hot as the centre of the Sun. I kid thee not.

Ergo, I play on my i7 Windows 7 machine.

Bon, as the French would say.

What Ev
Posted - 2011.08.01 23:11:00 - [23]
 

how do you "Turn off" CQ? I also think it's completely useless

Gunther Gabel
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.01 23:36:00 - [24]
 

Uncheck the box labeled "Load Station Environment"

Unlike before where you would stare at your ship, and be unable to spin it, now you stare at a blank wall, but it better than the bull**** eye candy

Bob LaBlah
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:59:00 - [25]
 

I can understand the sentiment, I know that graphically I only had the turret icon problem. I won't go down the road of the stuff I didn't get done because of that.

Instead, I'll say I don't trust the Mac client with my Aeon. I've petitioned other minor losses... jump through and complete client stall out until you finally arrive pod-dead. Then the logs don't show anything and that's that. The Mac client and the transgaming layer have issues... and on top of that CCP seems to have forgotten how to launch major patches. The delivery of the first expansion download was rotten... just terrible, like from two years ago terrible.

Having the luxury of playing this on a good PC at work, I can say, they are two different client experiences. The Mac client is the red headed step child of Eve (seeing as they officially killed the Linux version). Let's at least agree that the Mac client is very, very far from perfect and unplayable in some circumstances.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2011.08.04 15:11:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Serpents smile on 04/08/2011 15:11:37
Originally by: Gunther Gabel
Uncheck the box labeled "Load Station Environment"



In game hit ESC first. That should do the trick. Smile

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I don't have it turned off because it lags or something, well only a bit. But main reason is that it is immersion breaking, no good at all game play wise since it offers no special functionality at all, while it even took away functionality from the old hangar view. The only thing you can do with your, quite crappy looking avatar is walk, and sit on one specific place. You can't jump up nor crouch, move your arms/ hands, lay down on the bed. It is nothing short but a tech demo.

Just imagine, you dock in a Gallente station, you suddenly appear out of your pod, pod goo has been magically brushed off, you even somehow wear cloths and you think, 'well all nice and well but all I want to do is change my ship', and you get a warning message that you have to wait because your ship is still docking. And why am I looking at a rust and sticky tape quarter in a Gallente station to begin with, which to make things even worse looks the same for every single character in game, with no option whatsoever to customize it to make it a bit yours? The least thing CCP could have done was get the 4 faction quarters ready before launching this piece-o-fluff in space.

If only they had not divided themselves over 3! games. Just 2 would had been stretching their resources to the limited already. But hey, greed is good and bad management = bad management, which as always originates from the top. Confused

Uuali
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:54:00 - [27]
 

Honestly, this is nothing new. Mac version lags behind. There is always the option to use the PC version on a Windoze partition too at least.

But most people don't use a Mac for games (I hope that is still true). Usually, you buy a Mac to get some REAL work done. Then play games on the side as a bonus. Eve isn't as real as RL.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.08.14 23:17:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: FawKa
Buy Parallels, get windows


No. I'll never buy any CCP product again. And if in doubt I'll not buy any Apple product again either. That's what Steve earns by advertising with buggy software.

Charis Perceptum
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.15 09:31:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Charis Perceptum on 15/08/2011 09:33:18
The key issue of this rant should be the fact that majority of users using older MAC platforms have experinced issues since the implementation of the new expansion (a graphically intense expansion at that) and that the software provider has not taken the appropiate means to address any of the mentioned issues other then a couple of hot fixes.

Simple put you pay for what you use your PC/Mac for. If the developer won't get off thier duff to fix the bugs then don't support the software, but you can't expect the programmer to support out dated hardward. I have no issues what so ever running SC2, strip mining in EVE and runing Itumes on my IMac (2011 model with the first generation of thunderbolt technology), where that would crush my 2009 MBP. At the core of the issue the Mac's themsleves aren't the issue, CCP's abiility to create a stable program is. All you can do at this point is point out the problems and let them know what needs to be fixed if and in several months they don't then they lose your support as a customer. There's my two cents..

Jason Field
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.19 03:05:00 - [30]
 

works fine for me, maybe when logging in for first time, and loading then 2 mins later all fine (if in jita takes a min longer lol) also mines a laptop mac, mac book pro, defult settings for graphics, see no playability problems


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