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Page Starcaster
Gallente
Society of lost Souls
Posted - 2011.07.28 17:27:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Mitara Kannell
Originally by: Page Starcaster




Thanks for the in-depth explanation, Page. :)

So, what do you (or anyone else, of course) make of the following tower? (only the gun/ecm layout; labs are offlined in this scenario, so don't count towards cpu/pg). Should I put even more ECM, intstead of guns? Or more large guns, instead of medium?

Fitting a POS is like EFT warrioring: I have a general idea of what I should fit, but could use some advice from people who have actually set one up before. :)


Fitting information for Tower 2 (Caldari Control Tower)

Structure (Status)
Domination Large Artillery Battery (Online)
Domination Large Artillery Battery (Online)
Domination Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Domination Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Domination Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Domination Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Domination Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Domination Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Domination Small Artillery Battery (Online)
Domination Small Artillery Battery (Online)
Energy Neutralizing Battery (Online)
Energy Neutralizing Battery (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery (Online)
Sensor Dampening Battery (Online)
Sensor Dampening Battery (Online)
Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online)
Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery (Online)
Warp Scrambling Battery (Online)
Warp Scrambling Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
----------------------------------------------
CPU Usage: 700 / 7500 (9,33%)
PG Usage: 2733000 / 2750000 (99,38%)
----------------------------------------------
Fitting generated using My POS by Cassandra's Light


You don't need any large artillery or Large auto cannons in high sec. They are mostly for defending against capital ships. You want a mix of small and medium auto cannons and artillery. The rest looks pretty good. but it really depends on how much time you spend on line. Simply adding shield hardeners to fill the resistance holes and ecm to mess with there targeting will mean they can not AFK attack your POS. Some corps that do attack high sec POSes simply bring 5-6 battleships with heavy lazers start them attacking and just AFK or mutibox playing on another account while the POS is slowly brought down. with good ECM you make it so they have to actually be ATK so they can retarget when they get scrambled, combined with modules to increase resists make it take more DPS to bring it down. This will generally be enough to discourage 95% of the corps that might war dec you just to bash your POS. throw in a bunch of small/medium guns(even off line) and you will be pretty safe. As far as I know there are only a few corps that even bother with high sec POS bashing. So as long as there are easier targets around you are safe, or at least as safe as you can be, there is always a slight chance some dumb A$$ will attack you, but I have not seen it happen in the area I call home and I am only 7-8 jumps from Jita.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.29 01:34:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 29/07/2011 01:48:18

For what it is worth, my pos and the easy to do layout.

I didn't really choose all the modules though, as they were leftovers from another POS I once had, and I couldn't sell them (I tried) so I threw caution to the wind and used them. Still, it is a decent setup, I think.

Don't anchor what you cannot afford to lose.

EDIT: FYI - large faction guns can hit battleships (400m) for full damage, unlike regular large (1000 m). Good for solo gunners.

Aquana Abyss
Posted - 2011.07.29 09:56:00 - [33]
 

Hi,

I'm amazed you have gotten to the stage of having "billion ISK" BPOs and don't/haven't knowledge of a research POS in highsec.

While you may think it best to put up a deathstar of billions more ISK in domination guns etc, you're making yourself more of a target since the POS then becomes worth something itself in terms of ransom.

Stick up a Small or Medium POS (If you want an Experimental Lab too). 2 Labs and 1 Advanced lab with no guns or other kit in a station system - you never even have to take your BPO out the station to research/use it. That number of labs gives you ample copy/invention slots assuming you can use 8-10.

If you get wardecced (unlikely). Just unanchor the labs and remove only them - the small tower costs about 30M-50M so any attacker will realisticly be wasting their time if they choose to shoot it.

Nothing more to add other than this should be obvious.

Mitara Kannell
Posted - 2011.07.29 11:15:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Aquana Abyss
Hi,

I'm amazed you have gotten to the stage of having "billion ISK" BPOs and don't/haven't knowledge of a research POS in highsec.

I regard setting up your own POS as simply one of those 'stage' events in EVE: it's not something people usually involve themselves with, until they reach a certain stage in their development. Prior to this, I was simply part of a corp that could do the high-sec research for me. They went kaput, so here we are. :)

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If you get wardecced (unlikely). Just unanchor the labs and remove only them - the small tower costs about 30M-50M so any attacker will realisticly be wasting their time if they choose to shoot it.

An interesting philosophy. :) I'll take your words into consideration, like those of everyone else. Yeah, faction guns and large guns are out of the picture already; still a bit undecided on whether I want to defend it or not: it's, after all, not just the loss of the POS that has me worried, but rather the loss of the available moon.

Aquana Abyss
Posted - 2011.07.29 13:09:00 - [35]
 

There are plenty of free moons in most highsec station systems; trust me, if you get wardeced it almost certainly is not for the moon, it is for your perceived jew gold.

Another thing that helps is having your own alliance. 50M to be wardecced put people off especially if your only exposed, destructible asset is a 30M POS.

Oh and fair enough regarding experience; I just figured you'd have done the research before investing in such a BPO so to speak.

Mitara Kannell
Posted - 2011.07.31 19:15:00 - [36]
 

Okay, I have a new plan for a Deathstar Minmatar Control Tower. To my own eye it looks pretty solid now. Either I'll do something like this, or just a simple small tower with just a few labs -- still undecided on that.

P.S. It's gonna be a b*tch anchoring this all. :P



Fitting information for Tower 5 (Minmatar Control Tower) at a location not specified.

Structure (Status)
Energy Neutralizing Battery (Online)
Energy Neutralizing Battery (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery (Online)
Ion Field Projection Battery (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery (Online)
Medium Artillery Battery (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery (Online)
Phase Inversion Battery (Online)
Sensor Dampening Battery (Online)
Sensor Dampening Battery (Online)
Sensor Dampening Battery (Online)
Sensor Dampening Battery (Online)
Sensor Dampening Battery (Online)
Sensor Dampening Battery (Online)
Small Artillery Battery (Online)
Small Artillery Battery (Online)
Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online)
Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online)
Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online)
Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online)
Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online)
Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery (Online)
Warp Scrambling Battery (Online)
Warp Scrambling Battery (Online)
Warp Scrambling Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
----------------------------------------------
CPU Usage: 4125 / 6000 (68,75%)
PG Usage: 4347500 / 4375000 (99,37%)
----------------------------------------------
Fitting generated using My POS by Cassandra's Light.

Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.31 20:52:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Hockston Axe on 31/07/2011 20:56:34
Originally by: Mitara Kannell

Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)



Hyasyoda's are a little bling for my tastes but to each their own. Are you planning on doing any inventing or ever going to make any bpc’s? Because you’ll need some copy slots then. Adv. Mobile Labs are for copying, 0.65 time multiplier vs 0.75 in a reg Mobile Lab. A mix of reg/adv labs can do the trick for a lot less isk and bling.

It takes very little time to get your two extra character slots up to lvl 4 in copy/PE/ME with 10 slots each when you respec them to int/mem and put in some +3’s. Pretty much less time to get those 20 slots on them than getting that last 11th slot on your main actually. If you’re putting up a POS, especially a large one, there’s no point in wasting all that capacity that you’re paying the monthly fuel bill for.

Are you going to actually always have the defenses online or is that just to demonstrate that it all fits? It’s a waste of fuel to have them online since depending on where you are and who you **** off you’ll probably never need to use them. You could use your Hyasyoda’s for your important long-run jobs since you can leave them onlined with your defenses up, and put shorter jobs in adv/reg labs that you can offline if you ever need to online the defenses. Also I'm not seeing any shield hardeners on there.

Once you’ve got the defenses anchored you can online them via the control tower management interface, you don’t need to fly to each one. You can setup a shortcut for that interface to save you a right-click menu “Manage Nearest Control Tower” (second from top/bottom on the shortcut ‘window’ list sorting by “command.”) I set mine to ‘M,’ it’s very handy.

You might want a component assembly array for storage. It’s never a bad idea to anchor a few extra defenses for flexibility too. (And the, ‘what’s he gonna online- what do we have to plan for’ mixup on a potential attackers side.)

If you can afford it you’ll thank yourself later if you stockpile several months to a years worth of fuel in your station so you don’t have to dink around with all that hauling every month. Then you just have to pop out there with an Orca or expanded DST.

koopa miner
Posted - 2011.07.31 21:07:00 - [38]
 

why isn't there an EFT-esque POS fitting tool I can download?

Or is there, and I just missed the memo...

Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.31 21:29:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Hockston Axe on 31/07/2011 21:31:20
Originally by: koopa miner
why isn't there an EFT-esque POS fitting tool I can download?

Or is there, and I just missed the memo...


Memorandum: POS Planners

MyPOS

IGB POS Planner

Mitara Kannell
Posted - 2011.07.31 21:40:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Hockston Axe
Edited by: Hockston Axe on 31/07/2011 20:56:34
Originally by: Mitara Kannell

Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)
Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory (Online)



Hyasyoda's are a little bling for my tastes but to each their own. Are you planning on doing any inventing or ever going to make any bpc’s? Because you’ll need some copy slots then. Adv. Mobile Labs are for copying, 0.65 time multiplier vs 0.75 in a reg Mobile Lab. A mix of reg/adv labs can do the trick for a lot less isk and bling.

It takes very little time to get your two extra character slots up to lvl 4 in copy/PE/ME with 10 slots each when you respec them to int/mem and put in some +3’s. Pretty much less time to get those 20 slots on them than getting that last 11th slot on your main actually. If you’re putting up a POS, especially a large one, there’s no point in wasting all that capacity that you’re paying the monthly fuel bill for.

Are you going to actually always have the defenses online or is that just to demonstrate that it all fits? It’s a waste of fuel to have them online since depending on where you are and who you **** off you’ll probably never need to use them. You could use your Hyasyoda’s for your important long-run jobs since you can leave them onlined with your defenses up, and put shorter jobs in adv/reg labs that you can offline if you ever need to online the defenses. Also I'm not seeing any shield hardeners on there.

Once you’ve got the defenses anchored you can online them via the control tower management interface, you don’t need to fly to each one. You can setup a shortcut for that interface to save you a right-click menu “Manage Nearest Control Tower” (second from top/bottom on the shortcut ‘window’ list sorting by “command.”) I set mine to ‘M,’ it’s very handy.

You might want a component assembly array for storage. It’s never a bad idea to anchor a few extra defenses for flexibility too. (And the, ‘what’s he gonna online- what do we have to plan for’ mixup on a potential attackers side.)

If you can afford it you’ll thank yourself later if you stockpile several months to a years worth of fuel in your station so you don’t have to dink around with all that hauling every month. Then you just have to pop out there with an Orca or expanded DST.


Thanks for the extensive reply. :)

I don't plan to put everything online (that would roughly be a 265 mil monthly fuel bill): just the labs; and put the defenses online upon the 24-hour wardec notice (this is for a high-sec POS, btw).

Yes, hardeners are good. Since this will be a high-sec POS, though, my idea was to basically just make attacking the POS a tedious experience (with the ECM), and not necessarily to up the tower's EHP.

You're right on anchoring stuff for production too!

Good advice on the mix, too. I'll rerun the numbers again. :)

Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.31 21:56:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Hockston Axe on 31/07/2011 21:56:31
Having all your resists at around 50% makes that tedious attack take even longer. Even if you don’t use them just having them anchored (those go inside the shield) isn’t a bad idea since a potential attacker has to take their possible use into account, and it’s not like they cost much.

koopa miner
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:01:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Hockston Axe
Edited by: Hockston Axe on 31/07/2011 21:31:20
Originally by: koopa miner
why isn't there an EFT-esque POS fitting tool I can download?

Or is there, and I just missed the memo...


Memorandum: POS Planners

MyPOS

IGB POS Planner



WORD thanks man. May your killmails be many and bountiful.

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:14:00 - [43]
 

Incidentally, since I'm too lazy to maintain a POS, I've found that you can find lowsec npc stations with little or no wait times. I would just fly the bp's out in a covops and leave a jumpclone there. You have to pass the border of highsec/lowsec twice (at least) with your bpo's, but I've never had a problem, though I can't say my heart rate didn't jump a few times.


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