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Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.20 23:36:00 - [1]
 

Tried this in the ideas forum, told to come here with it. here it goes.


I would like to see cans of ships destroyed in empire to flag loot theives for aggression by the victim, his corp, and by the pilots involved in the death of the ship.

Why?

Well most of the time in empire pvp cans are not looted by the destroyers due to noob corp loot theives that have little to no chance of being caught.

Yes they do gain aggression from the victim and his corp, but generally the cans are either looted during the fight by the noob corp looters or the possible defenders of the can(the victims) are pods or corpses which have a hard time defending the cans.

I dont have a problem with loot theives. everyone can choose how ever they want to make isk, but currently the noob corp loot thieves have no danger in their profession.

Since this is a post coming from other threads please keep the thread on tract and keep the trolling off this one please.



Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.21 01:04:00 - [2]
 

Get out of high-sec or learn to loot quicker. Moar Tears indeed.

Cosmo Raata
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.21 01:28:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Get out of high-sec or learn to loot quicker. Moar Tears indeed.


STFU, you don't like our play style, big deal. Doesn't change the fact that its broken. And seriously, get rid of the ugly ass pink make up.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.21 02:24:00 - [4]
 

damn this is a hopping post. glad i brought it here via Akita's suggestion.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.21 13:16:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Get out of high-sec or learn to loot quicker. Moar Tears indeed.
This made me laugh, as I just said something very similar in F&I. Laughing

Great minds and all that. Razz

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:46:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Lady Spank
Get out of high-sec or learn to loot quicker. Moar Tears indeed.
This made me laugh, as I just said something very similar in F&I. Laughing

Great minds and all that. Razz


great trolls think alike. this is about a mechanics issue. not you should go somewhere else issue. if you have a point to make on topic please do, if not please gtfo.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.21 17:06:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Lady Spank
Get out of high-sec or learn to loot quicker. Moar Tears indeed.
This made me laugh, as I just said something very similar in F&I. Laughing

Great minds and all that. Razz


great trolls think alike. this is about a mechanics issue. not you should go somewhere else issue. if you have a point to make on topic please do, if not please gtfo.
It's not your can or loot, so you need to improve your loot collecting abilities. Wink

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.21 17:51:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Lady Spank
Get out of high-sec or learn to loot quicker. Moar Tears indeed.
This made me laugh, as I just said something very similar in F&I. Laughing

Great minds and all that. Razz


great trolls think alike. this is about a mechanics issue. not you should go somewhere else issue. if you have a point to make on topic please do, if not please gtfo.
It's not your can or loot, so you need to improve your loot collecting abilities. Wink


ok, troll lets try it this way. currently the mechanics say its not my loot. in all honestly its who ever takes the loot, the point of the thread is to allow a mechanics change to all the victim, his corp, and the aggressor to gain rights on the can.

i agree if i want loot i should move faster towards the can, that isnt the issue, i want kill rights on people who take loot from the can i created. more death in eve, means a better eve.

please give any other reason other than the its not your loot why its not a good idea.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.21 18:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Martinez
ok, troll lets try it this way. currently the mechanics say its not my loot. in all honestly its who ever takes the loot, the point of the thread is to allow a mechanics change to all the victim, his corp, and the aggressor to gain rights on the can.

i agree if i want loot i should move faster towards the can, that isnt the issue, i want kill rights on people who take loot from the can i created. more death in eve, means a better eve.

please give any other reason other than the its not your loot why its not a good idea.


Don't agree with you = troll amirite? Rolling Eyes

You've still not given a good reason why, you should have any rights on the loot.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.07.21 18:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Martinez


ok, troll lets try it this way. currently the mechanics say its not my loot. in all honestly its who ever takes the loot, the point of the thread is to allow a mechanics change to all the victim, his corp, and the aggressor to gain rights on the can.




Right, this way you can make sure after a suicide gank, you don't have to stress out beating the scavengers to the loot.

Which I can fully understand your position, been in that position myself, however the current first come first serve situation is working out just fine.

Fit tractor beams to your ships, have a dude in a noctis, do something that might require rubbing two brain cells together rather than asking CCP to change mechanics and **** up things more than it is now.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.21 21:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: Martinez


ok, troll lets try it this way. currently the mechanics say its not my loot. in all honestly its who ever takes the loot, the point of the thread is to allow a mechanics change to all the victim, his corp, and the aggressor to gain rights on the can.




Right, this way you can make sure after a suicide gank, you don't have to stress out beating the scavengers to the loot.

Which I can fully understand your position, been in that position myself, however the current first come first serve situation is working out just fine.

Fit tractor beams to your ships, have a dude in a noctis, do something that might require rubbing two brain cells together rather than asking CCP to change mechanics and **** up things more than it is now.


you clearly dont understand the thread. ok if you suicide gank, you are dead and you cannot pick up loot for 15 mins, so anyone could grab it and dock in plenty of time. next time read the thread, understand the thread then comment.


Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.21 21:08:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Martinez
ok, troll lets try it this way. currently the mechanics say its not my loot. in all honestly its who ever takes the loot, the point of the thread is to allow a mechanics change to all the victim, his corp, and the aggressor to gain rights on the can.

i agree if i want loot i should move faster towards the can, that isnt the issue, i want kill rights on people who take loot from the can i created. more death in eve, means a better eve.

please give any other reason other than the its not your loot why its not a good idea.


Don't agree with you = troll amirite? Rolling Eyes

You've still not given a good reason why, you should have any rights on the loot.



trolling is saying the same thing over and over again. i should have rights on it for more death and destruction. maybe he steals and i kill him, maybe he steals it and gets away, maybe he steals it i attack him and he kills me. either way more combat.


Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.21 22:38:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Mag's
Don't agree with you = troll amirite? Rolling Eyes

You've still not given a good reason why, you should have any rights on the loot.



trolling is saying the same thing over and over again. i should have rights on it for more death and destruction. maybe he steals and i kill him, maybe he steals it and gets away, maybe he steals it i attack him and he kills me. either way more combat.


There is already PvP involved with the current loot mechanic. Simply saying I should or I want, is not a valid reason why the system should be altered in your favour.

Maybe if you actually came up with a good argument as to why you should have those rights granted, we wouldn't need to keep asking the same questions. Wink

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.21 23:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Mag's
Don't agree with you = troll amirite? Rolling Eyes

You've still not given a good reason why, you should have any rights on the loot.



trolling is saying the same thing over and over again. i should have rights on it for more death and destruction. maybe he steals and i kill him, maybe he steals it and gets away, maybe he steals it i attack him and he kills me. either way more combat.


There is already PvP involved with the current loot mechanic. Simply saying I should or I want, is not a valid reason why the system should be altered in your favour.

Maybe if you actually came up with a good argument as to why you should have those rights granted, we wouldn't need to keep asking the same questions. Wink


i have said good reasons over and over. noob corp loot stealers have no threat. it can be a 3 day old alt that just does that to harrass and follow empire pvpers.

Cendric De'Credsiu
Posted - 2011.07.22 01:11:00 - [15]
 

The fact of the matter is, you already got a kill, be it from a wardec or can flipping or how ever it is you got the kill. More combat is not a good enough reason to change it. There is a ton of combat in the game as is. New players in high sec have plenty of risk as is. Sooner or later your going to probably kill them. There are plenty of ways to track it without adding in what your asking for.

Provide some valid reasons why this should change other then more pew pew. We want actual factual reasons other then he stole my loots and I want to kill him crying.

B00T INI
Posted - 2011.07.22 01:18:00 - [16]
 

If I want legal ownership over someone's ipod or fancy camera, wallet or bagel irl all I have to do is destroy their car first to give me legal rights to the items contained therein.

This is how it should also be in eve.

Oh wait, I am incompetent just like the OP.

Rented
Posted - 2011.07.22 02:12:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: B00T INI
If I want legal ownership over someone's ipod or fancy camera, wallet or bagel irl all I have to do is destroy their car first to give me legal rights to the items contained therein.

This is how it should also be in eve.

Oh wait, I am incompetent just like the OP.


I lol'd

Cendric De'Credsiu
Posted - 2011.07.22 03:08:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: B00T INI
If I want legal ownership over someone's ipod or fancy camera, wallet or bagel irl all I have to do is destroy their car first to give me legal rights to the items contained therein.

This is how it should also be in eve.

Oh wait, I am incompetent just like the OP.



HAHAHAHA funny, I like this.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.22 04:28:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Cendric De'Credsiu
The fact of the matter is, you already got a kill, be it from a wardec or can flipping or how ever it is you got the kill. More combat is not a good enough reason to change it. There is a ton of combat in the game as is. New players in high sec have plenty of risk as is. Sooner or later your going to probably kill them. There are plenty of ways to track it without adding in what your asking for.

Provide some valid reasons why this should change other then more pew pew. We want actual factual reasons other then he stole my loots and I want to kill him crying.


currrent mechanic allows theft with no recourse. dont be nieve and belive the victim or his corp ever get to shoot the noob corp loot theif. furthermore if he did just happen to to be the worse loot stealer ever he would lose a 2million isk thrasher. hardly a prize.

if someone posted that a possible exploit of this idea, or was a ccp coder and said maybe its to hard, or even it in the hello kitty online plan doesnt allow such violence maybe i could deal with it, but i havent seen that.

stop asking why and ask why not.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.22 04:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: B00T INI
If I want legal ownership over someone's ipod or fancy camera, wallet or bagel irl all I have to do is destroy their car first to give me legal rights to the items contained therein.

This is how it should also be in eve.

Oh wait, I am incompetent just like the OP.


LOL yeah bring rl comparisons to this and see how badly it goes for you.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.22 04:48:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Martinez
i have said good reasons over and over. noob corp loot stealers have no threat. it can be a 3 day old alt that just does that to harrass and follow empire pvpers.
Which is wrong, they are flagged to the dead guy (who owns the can) and his corp.

Originally by: Martinez
currrent mechanic allows theft with no recourse.
No, what you are asking for is 'stealing without recourse' but in your favour. Under some misguided self entitlement argument.

But here's a thought. Lying about the current mechanics over and over, doesn't this make you a troll by your own definition?

Doubledown Nolen
Posted - 2011.07.22 07:37:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Martinez
i have said good reasons over and over. noob corp loot stealers have no threat. it can be a 3 day old alt that just does that to harrass and follow empire pvpers.
Which is wrong, they are flagged to the dead guy (who owns the can) and his corp.

Originally by: Martinez
currrent mechanic allows theft with no recourse.
No, what you are asking for is 'stealing without recourse' but in your favour. Under some misguided self entitlement argument.

But here's a thought. Lying about the current mechanics over and over, doesn't this make you a troll by your own definition?


its not stealing if its a war. well atleast it shouldnt be.

B00T INI
Posted - 2011.07.22 08:27:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: B00T INI
If I want legal ownership over someone's ipod or fancy camera, wallet or bagel irl all I have to do is destroy their car first to give me legal rights to the items contained therein.

This is how it should also be in eve.

Oh wait, I am incompetent just like the OP.


LOL yeah bring rl comparisons to this and see how badly it goes for you.


Waiting to see how badly it goes for me.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.22 16:49:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: B00T INI
Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: B00T INI
If I want legal ownership over someone's ipod or fancy camera, wallet or bagel irl all I have to do is destroy their car first to give me legal rights to the items contained therein.

This is how it should also be in eve.

Oh wait, I am incompetent just like the OP.


LOL yeah bring rl comparisons to this and see how badly it goes for you.


Waiting to see how badly it goes for me.


ok. "loot"

boxing title belt match. one boxer wins, fan runs into the ring takes "belt" runs away, what exactly do you think the boxer is going to do? he is going to beat the guy down.

war. country invades another country, the invading country wins gets to have its way with the "spoils of war". if another country tries to step in, they either fight and the invaders and win or die to stop the "spoils of war' being taken.

business. a corporate take over happens. company a does a hostile take over of company b. during the company c illegally trys to steal "assets" of company B after the hostile take over takes place. company a and c now have a legal dispute and take it to the courts to decide.

animal kingdom, lion kills a "antelope" a hyena wants to eat the "antelope". hyena comes in to get some taste meat, the lion splits his skull and now has two meals.


in your eve universe currentlly what is allow is...

the fan who stole the "belt" is now the heavy weight champion.

the thrid party country who came in got the "spoils of war" while protected by the UN.

company c gets a stern talking to but is encouraged to continue to steal since there is no REAL action that can be taken against them.

the lion doesnt get to eat, dies, no more lions. hyena poplulation swells to the point they starve out due to there not being any lions to kill their food for them.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.22 17:26:00 - [25]
 

It must be a new forum record, for the most fail RL analogies in one thread.
Congrats.

Cendric De'Credsiu
Posted - 2011.07.22 18:45:00 - [26]
 

Wow, seriously?

First off the BELT is not owned by either boxer it is owned by the boxing commission and it is loaned to the winner of the fight till he looses a title match to another boxer, at that point it is loaned to the new champ. Secondly the Fan who steals the belt and gets away is going to be charged with theft by the boxing commission. If the boxer that wins beats him down then the boxer is going to be charged with assault and punished accordingly.

To put all this in game terms for you.

You fight another player and win, on your way to go grab the loot some newb pops in and steals it from the wreck, btw it is not your wreck it belongs to the person you just killed. If you attack the newb concord comes in and blasts you outa space for assault. Much like the police would do to the boxer if he attacked the fan. The owner of the wreck now has kill rights on the thief, much like the boxing commission would have rights to press theft charges against the fan for stealing that belt.

You fail to provide a reason why the loot belongs to you at all, and you fail to provide valid reasons to why you should be able to shoot them.

Look at your options to be able to retaliate against them and you will see that you have options, put them on your watch list, declare war against there corp, suicide gank them. Move down to low or null sec and live where you can protect the wrecks of folks you kill so that you can loot them.


Industrial Frontbone
Posted - 2011.07.22 20:29:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Cendric De'Credsiu
Wow, seriously?

First off the BELT is not owned by either boxer it is owned by the boxing commission and it is loaned to the winner of the fight till he looses a title match to another boxer, at that point it is loaned to the new champ. Secondly the Fan who steals the belt and gets away is going to be charged with theft by the boxing commission. If the boxer that wins beats him down then the boxer is going to be charged with assault and punished accordingly.

To put all this in game terms for you.

You fight another player and win, on your way to go grab the loot some newb pops in and steals it from the wreck, btw it is not your wreck it belongs to the person you just killed. If you attack the newb concord comes in and blasts you outa space for assault. Much like the police would do to the boxer if he attacked the fan. The owner of the wreck now has kill rights on the thief, much like the boxing commission would have rights to press theft charges against the fan for stealing that belt.

You fail to provide a reason why the loot belongs to you at all, and you fail to provide valid reasons to why you should be able to shoot them.

Look at your options to be able to retaliate against them and you will see that you have options, put them on your watch list, declare war against there corp, suicide gank them. Move down to low or null sec and live where you can protect the wrecks of folks you kill so that you can loot them.




wrong the fighter gets to keep the belt, he loses the title.

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.22 20:31:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Mag's
It must be a new forum record, for the most fail RL analogies in one thread.
Congrats.



lol i like how they are fail since you cannot dispute them.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.22 21:02:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Mag's
It must be a new forum record, for the most fail RL analogies in one thread.
Congrats.



lol i like how they are fail since you cannot dispute them.
Dispute RL analogies to a game of internet spaceships, yea I'll get right on it. Laughing

Martinez
T-Cells
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.07.23 01:36:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Martinez
Originally by: Mag's
It must be a new forum record, for the most fail RL analogies in one thread.
Congrats.



lol i like how they are fail since you cannot dispute them.
Dispute RL analogies to a game of internet spaceships, yea I'll get right on it. Laughing



it was to a previous poster after you commented on them. stfu.


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