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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.31 22:10:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Valdezi and Marrano Cardosa
Silly traitors, don't you know what is happening in the State now? It is ruled by Executor, not Empress.

Azelor Delaria
According to their actions, they either haven't sworn fealty to the State, or have broken their oath.

Altarr Orkot
So, you say the idea of an individual in control of the entire State is historically a very un-Caldari thing? Then Raata Empire was un-Caldari too. Very interesting point of view, indeed. Was attending gallente schools lately? ;)


One thing is for sure you did not goto a Caldari school, unless Heth is organizing his own private school specializing in miss-information.

We serve Ishukone, in turn we serve the State.

Richard Wensbane
Caldari
OdaTech
Posted - 2011.07.31 23:56:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

Well, after being scattered to the stars, you haven't done so bad for yourself.

Besides, you were ejected from a homeworld. That's nothing compared to being enslaved as a race for 700 years like the Minmatar.


Please, let's not play this game. There's no point in comparing atrocities and trying to "grade" them. It's insulting for everyone involved and only serves to diminish our race - the human race, that is - as a whole.

I appreciate the fact that you recognize some value in us, though. The State is, indeed, becoming something great. But there is still work to be done. Which brings me to...

Originally by: Diana Kim

So, you say the idea of an individual in control of the entire State is historically a very un-Caldari thing? Then Raata Empire was un-Caldari too. Very interesting point of view, indeed. Was attending gallente schools lately? ;)


I'm sorry to intrude, captain Kim, but the truth is that for many Caldari, the idea of a centralized government is, in fact, extremely insulting. Especially under a single-minded opportunist like Tibus Heth.

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.08.01 06:02:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Azelor Delaria
According to their actions, they either haven't sworn fealty to the State, or have broken their oath.


I am quite aware of the fact that they have broken ties with the State. I have as well, but I have been perfectly blunt: I do as I must to keep peace. I-RED only has the intention of causing more disruptions and stopping peace from spreading, in order to line their pockets.

John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.01 06:18:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: Diana Kim
Azelor Delaria
According to their actions, they either haven't sworn fealty to the State, or have broken their oath.


I am quite aware of the fact that they have broken ties with the State. I have as well, but I have been perfectly blunt: I do as I must to keep peace. I-RED only has the intention of causing more disruptions and stopping peace from spreading, in order to line their pockets.


You and Kim make a good duo, you both have lies that constantly seep from your mouths, and continue to chase after your tails with the same old script you grabbed from your ass months ago.


Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.08.01 10:39:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: John Revenent
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: Diana Kim
Azelor Delaria
According to their actions, they either haven't sworn fealty to the State, or have broken their oath.


I am quite aware of the fact that they have broken ties with the State. I have as well, but I have been perfectly blunt: I do as I must to keep peace. I-RED only has the intention of causing more disruptions and stopping peace from spreading, in order to line their pockets.


You and Kim make a good duo, you both have lies that constantly seep from your mouths, and continue to chase after your tails with the same old script you grabbed from your ass months ago.




You claim I lie. And yet you have offered no proof, no evidence that I have done so. Are you accusing me of defamation, sir? I would hate to make you look even more foolish than you have appeared for quite some time.

As for this whole "months" business, I only began addressing you and your alliance approximately one month ago, when it was clear you had lost your conflict with Wolfsbrigade, but trumped up some silly little reasons as to how you managed to sc**** victory from the jaws of defeat.

Altarr Orkot
Caldari
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.01 11:33:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria

You claim I lie. And yet you have offered no proof, no evidence that I have done so. Are you accusing me of defamation, sir? I would hate to make you look even more foolish than you have appeared for quite some time.

As for this whole "months" business, I only began addressing you and your alliance approximately one month ago, when it was clear you had lost your conflict with Wolfsbrigade, but trumped up some silly little reasons as to how you managed to sc**** victory from the jaws of defeat.


From the last thread where you claimed that I-RED was claiming a victory.

Originally by: John Revenent

I have not stated we have claimed any sort of victory


Originally by: John Revenent

...this is not a victory in our eyes.


Originally by: Altarr Orkot

I-RED has, in multiple places stated that we have lost this war


X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.01 16:47:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Don't forget, that whenever you refer to the word "Gallente", you also refer to the Intaki, Jin-Mei, Mannar, Minmatar, Caldari and Amarr who all reside here, and influence the politics of the Federation in their own way.

I have made this mistake in the past, so it is understandable. We are the FEDERATION, not the Gallente. It's the Federation Navy, not the Gallente Navy. the Federal Defence Union, not the Gallente Defence Union, etc....

Gallente = Gallente
Federation = All peoples who are part of the Federation

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.01 18:03:00 - [98]
 

Just to inform people: After recently attempting to mediate diplomatic relations between ILF and various corporations, Saxon Hawke effectively declared me and whole NAERY as "kill on sight" targets while I remain in State Protectorate. Not once i've done so much as even locked a ILF ship but there we go. I am to be killed on sight and the issue was beyond further diplomacy.

I have advised my pilots to practice caution and consider all ILF members outlaws who are out to kill militia pilots and are probably turning into another pirate organization which infest southern Placid like a proverbial lice in shepherd's crotch.

I make this public so that if in future NAERY shoots at ILF vessel, they cannot claim to have been completely minding their own business and being targets of outlaws.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General




John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.01 18:44:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria

You claim I lie. And yet you have offered no proof, no evidence that I have done so. Are you accusing me of defamation, sir? I would hate to make you look even more foolish than you have appeared for quite some time.

As for this whole "months" business, I only began addressing you and your alliance approximately one month ago, when it was clear you had lost your conflict with Wolfsbrigade, but trumped up some silly little reasons as to how you managed to sc**** victory from the jaws of defeat.


2011.05.20... That is more then one month.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:14:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Just to inform people: After recently attempting to mediate diplomatic relations between ILF and various corporations, Saxon Hawke effectively declared me and whole NAERY as "kill on sight" targets while I remain in State Protectorate. Not once i've done so much as even locked a ILF ship but there we go. I am to be killed on sight and the issue was beyond further diplomacy.

I have advised my pilots to practice caution and consider all ILF members outlaws who are out to kill militia pilots and are probably turning into another pirate organization which infest southern Placid like a proverbial lice in shepherd's crotch.

I make this public so that if in future NAERY shoots at ILF vessel, they cannot claim to have been completely minding their own business and being targets of outlaws.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General


As a member of the Intaki Liberation Front diplomatic team I can confirm that following the recent events that has seen a steady increase in State militia activity and more recently the loss of an IPI mining vessel in the Intaki home system, the ILF leadership has been discussing the situation for some time.

Our well known, and publically available RoE has guarunteed the ILF's ongoing neutrality in the long running conflict between the Federation and State and this continues to be the case.

However, it is extremely unfortunate that despite the subject being raised more than once it has been made perfectly clear that Mr Rocarion's personal objectives outweigh any other and if Intaki must suffer in his pursuit of those goals then so be it.

It appears then that Mr Rocarion is not the friend to the Intaki system he believes himself to be, regardless of previous actions. It is his most recent statements in the Free Intaki channel and private conversations that give us cause for concern.

The ILF RoE states that should any militia corporation proactively, through military action, attempt to change the existing occupancy of the Intaki system that this must be seen as an act of aggression against the local population and any standings that exist between the ILF and the militia corporation involved be reviewed. It is on this basis that NAERY were set to a -10 standing.

It is unfortunate that in response to this Mr Rocarion has felt it necessary to fall back on what appears to be a growing theme between groups with negative standings which is to call "pirate". With the ILF's long standing reputation as an antipiracy organisation which remains vigilant against capsuleer pirates on a daily basis it's almost laughable that we should find ourselves the focus of such baseless accusations.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:24:00 - [101]
 

As in my response above I have cited that personal remarks and objectives from Mr Rocarion gave the ILF great concern and are a major contributing factor to the reset of standings I feel it is necessary to quote them here. They were made in a public channel and would have been seen by all of those accessing it at the time. I therefore do not believe they can be considered a private communication:
Originally by: Free Intaki Channel - 29.07.YC113

Damar Rocarion > Communications crash there
Damar Rocarion > Did you say something to me?
Jyotmimana Karana > I was just saying that the sooner the Intaki people stand up send the militias packing, the better it will be for everyone who calls Intaki Space home.
Damar Rocarion > Keep in mind that most of teh conflict which is in Intaki right now is due to two things
Damar Rocarion > Personal hatred of me and Val Erian
Damar Rocarion > And fallout from I-RED's attempts to act as moral guardian/police for State Protectorate
Jyotmimana Karana > Now there's a great reason to put the safety, lives and general well being of millions of people at risk.
Jyotmimana Karana > Allow me to make a suggestion, Gen. War Dec Val Erian's corp and go fight in his backyard.
Damar Rocarion > Ah, but there is the problem. Whereever I am, so is he
Damar Rocarion > And Viriette is my home
Jyotmimana Karana > You have a strange way of treating your home.
Damar Rocarion > What you mean?
Jyotmimana Karana > There is an expression, that while crude, bears truth: Don't **** where you sleep.
Damar Rocarion > Well, perhaps Val Erian and his lackeys ought to leave my home then?
Yumi Hikare > Mr. Karana, it will be impossible to convince either party to leave unless they are summarily annhilated in one form or another.
Jyotmimana Karana > Ms. Hikare, you need to tell that to your Suresha every chance you get.
Damar Rocarion > As one ancient general said: I will reject any peace, any appeasement and hate my enemy to the day I die
Jyotmimana Karana > The sooner he can be made to see it the better.
Damar Rocarion > This applies to both sides
Jyotmimana Karana > I suspect that general didn't have clones.
Damar Rocarion > No he did not
Jyotmimana Karana > Then his death meant more than yours.
Jyotmimana Karana > Death is cheap for capsuleers. There is no honor in it.
Damar Rocarion > There is no honor in nothing I do, neither I pretend there is
Damar Rocarion > I simply kill because I hate the Gallente
Yumi Hikare > Endless, mindless slaughter until one runs out of money.
Damar Rocarion > And I strive to occupy systems, not out of glory, not out of challenge, not for patriotism but purely due to my undying hatred of Val Erian and his flunkies.
Damar Rocarion > And if millions need to die, then so be it. Like people died when Gallente dared to start occupying Black Rise.
Jyotmimana Karana > You are perhaps one of the most vile and repugnant pilots I have had the misfortune to come across.
Damar Rocarion > I take that as compliment
Damar Rocarion > But at least I have my principles
Damar Rocarion > I wont shoot those who are not my enemies and I strive not to make enemies except from those who State deems so officially
Damar Rocarion > But rememeber
Damar Rocarion > Gallente made me who I am
Damar Rocarion > I recognise and understand the futility of the ongoing slaughter and that nothing changes as result
Damar Rocarion > However, should I stop it, my enemies certainly wont
Damar Rocarion > And that would be admitting a defeat. Something no sane capsuleer would do.
(Continued...)



Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.01 19:27:00 - [102]
 

Quote:

...
Yumi Hikare > No sir. I'd say you made yourself who you are. Blaming it on others is childish and poor logic. You are a capsuleer, you choose to be what you are.
Damar Rocarion > If I am gutless murderer, then why I go to great lenghts to keep ILF my friend
Damar Rocarion > And try to get my friends to do so as well, admittedly recently with less success than I used to.
Jyotmimana Karana > I think Ms. Hikare has the right of it. And the sooner Suresha Hawke realizes your true intent, the better. He's an optomist, but he needs to wake up to the fact that he has sociopaths for allies.
Yumi Hikare > I did not say that, Mr. Rocarion. I do not know you well enough to comment on that. I am merely saying that you are what you make of yourself, not what others do unto you.
Damar Rocarion > I've saved ILF's "Prosperity" at least once.
Damar Rocarion > So dont paint me as one sided monster
Damar Rocarion > Black/White rarely apply in our lives
Jyotmimana Karana > Now don't get me wrong, I think you're a multi-faceted monster.
Yumi Hikare > I have a question for you, Mr. Rocarion. Does, or does not your goal for Intaki conflict with the ILF's vision for Intaki?
Damar Rocarion > Not at all
Damar Rocarion > I merely seek space occupancy to humiliate the FDU
Damar Rocarion > Anything else is more or less irrelevant
Yumi Hikare > I would hazard to say that occupation of sovereign space in that manner qualifies as being conflicting. The ILF does not merely seek the independence of the Intaki homeworld, but the system, as well as its surrounding systems.
Flyinghotpocket > Greetings
Damar Rocarion > Perhaps you ought to have done something about it when State last time occupied Viriette
Damar Rocarion > Trying to please every side of the conflict usually means you end up on bad side of every one


Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2011.08.01 22:19:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Bataav


The ILF RoE states that should any militia corporation proactively, through military action, attempt to change the existing occupancy of the Intaki system that this must be seen as an act of aggression against the local population and any standings that exist between the ILF and the militia corporation involved be reviewed. It is on this basis that NAERY were set to a -10 standing.




As an outsider looking in, and if this statement was not taken out of contex, then you have chosen a side in the conflict. You are defending the occupancy, which is Gallente, and therefore would be a valid target for the Caldari if they choose to invade the system.

I understand that standings would be reviewed and it is not a hard and fast rule, but why would it be dependent on occupancy? A favorable Caldari corp could take the system for the Caldari, but an unfavorable one could not? Please clarify.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.08.02 18:58:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: John Revenent
One thing is for sure you did not goto a Caldari school, unless Heth is organizing his own private school specializing in miss-information.

I don't know what you have against private corporation schools, since they give a lot better education than your public Ca... Gallente schools, controlled by your beloved federation government.

Originally by: John Revenent
We serve Ishukone, in turn we serve the State.

I doubt in both parts of your claim.

Originally by: John Revenent

You and Kim make a good duo, you both have lies that constantly seep from your mouths

Lies like what? Like blaming State loyalists in piracy to shoot them? Like pretending to be loyalist, while making peace treaties with enemies of the State? Like claiming goal achievement when being completely crushed in war? Like asking for peace with different StatePro corporations, while attacking patrols and ganking neutral militia vessels?

Oh, sorry, they are not my lies, but yours Razz Sorry again Wink

Originally by: John Revenent
grabbed from your ass months ago.

You know, when you really have nothing to say, just say nothing next time, ok?

Originally by: Van Cleef
Originally by: Bataav

The ILF RoE states that should any militia corporation proactively, through military action, attempt to change the existing occupancy of the Intaki system that this must be seen as an act of aggression against the local population and any standings that exist between the ILF and the militia corporation involved be reviewed. It is on this basis that NAERY were set to a -10 standing.


As an outsider looking in, and if this statement was not taken out of contex, then you have chosen a side in the conflict. You are defending the occupancy, which is Gallente, and therefore would be a valid target for the Caldari if they choose to invade the system.


Sorry for over-quoting, but I'd like to point out, that fighting against State now in Intaki means helping gallentes, even if they shoot them too. And this, indeed, means that they lost their neutrality and now are 'fair game'.

After all, it's the Federation, who made Intaki warzone. I'd prefer to fight in Villore instead of Intaki, and, I hope someday I will. But first, we need to deal with federation in Placid. And all of their supporters.

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE
Posted - 2011.08.02 22:01:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Any time a crew is lost I am struck by the profound senselessness of it. But in this case, when a peaceful vessel of commerce was attacked by a warship of the faction conflict, it is not only senseless but entirely uncalled for. The ILF's policy of neutrality in the militia conflict should be well known to all by now. Given that it appears that neither the Gallente nor Caldari can control their respective pilots, I call now for the parties responsible for the factional conflict to rescind the order allowing it. The only responsible course of action at this point is to demand peace.


I know it is unrelated to this matter and I certainly can't control what other pilots choose to do, but I want you to know that your words are not wasted. Reading your plea reminds me of the harm I've done in "law enforcement" and committing acts for Republic Security Services. I've killed thousands of people and none of them deserved to die.

From now on, I'll be saving my weapons for the Nation and other threats that can't even think to choose diplomacy.

Aurelie Severasse
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.08.03 02:07:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Sorry for over-quoting, but I'd like to point out, that fighting against State now in Intaki means helping gallentes, even if they shoot them too. And this, indeed, means that they lost their neutrality and now are 'fair game'.

After all, it's the Federation, who made Intaki warzone. I'd prefer to fight in Villore instead of Intaki, and, I hope someday I will. But first, we need to deal with federation in Placid. And all of their supporters.


Being that this whole thread is about Caldari Militia attacking a neutral mining vessel, we can assume that they were fair game quite some time ago, yes?

Perhaps it's time you dropped the facade, madame?

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:06:00 - [107]
 

I really don't understand you guys. It's a rather simple concept. If you go live in a system which is occupied by the military then you will get the consequences. Don't think that if you live in a low-sec system occupied by a military faction we/they will leave you alone.

If you did, go back to logic basic school...really. Intaki is low sec. It's there to be taken, fight and die for then we will do it. Same with Gallente: they will fight and defend it. Unfortunately, you live there so you will be in the middle.

Valdezi
Amarr
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.03 22:52:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Valdezi on 03/08/2011 22:52:13
Originally by: Syekuda
If you go live in a system which is occupied by the military then you will get the consequences. Don't think that if you live in a low-sec system occupied by a military faction we/they will leave you alone.


The ILF have lived in that system longer than the STPRO have even existed, champ.

Originally by: Syekuda
If you did, go back to logic basic school


I find this more than a little ironic coming from a Caldari addressing the Intaki, the most logical and reasonable people in the cluster.

And all we see from the Caldari on these threads are logic-defying leaps of idiocy. Curious.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.08.03 23:21:00 - [109]
 

Aurelie Severasse, no.

Creetalor
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.04 00:31:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Aurelie Severasse, no.



You should refrain from speaking for Hells Revenge you fight for the Empire and they from the information given in this thread have stated they were viewed as Aurelie Severasse stated.

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.04 00:35:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Valdezi
Edited by: Valdezi on 03/08/2011 22:52:13
The ILF have lived in that system longer than the STPRO have even existed, champ.


I never said the system belonged to us you idiot. Learn to read correctly. Besides the system belongs to the goverment or the military. Try to know who exactly in that mountain of bureaucracy.

Besides, you got no point with what you just said. Your in low sec, live with the consequences. If you don't like it, go back to high-sec. Plain and simple.
Originally by: Valdezi

I find this more than a little ironic coming from a Caldari addressing the Intaki, the most logical and reasonable people in the cluster.

And all we see from the Caldari on these threads are logic-defying leaps of idiocy. Curious.

Lol, uhh They are the ones starting the whining crying message. not us. In a polite term, we just tell them to shut up and adapt or go elsewhere lol... and stop crying Shocked

You don't seem to get the point of this ?

Valdezi
Amarr
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.04 02:18:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Aurelie Severasse, no.


Wait a second. Don't you work for the Amarr Empire?

Originally by: Syekuda
I never said the system belonged to us you idiot. Learn to read correctly. Besides the system belongs to the goverment or the military. Try to know who exactly in that mountain of bureaucracy.

Besides, you got no point with what you just said. Your in low sec, live with the consequences. If you don't like it, go back to high-sec. Plain and simple.

Lol, uhh They are the ones starting the whining crying message. not us. In a polite term, we just tell them to shut up and adapt or go elsewhere lol... and stop crying

You don't seem to get the point of this ?


There is no point to get. You are pointless. You should probably also go get some kind of education before posting on here. Your expression needs work, and many of the words you use make no sense. Perhaps your Caldari translator is broken? I've heard Lai Dai technology will do that. Seems a common issue among Provists.

May I recommend that next time you buy Ishukone? It's a better quality of product.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.08.04 18:03:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Valdezi
Originally by: Diana Kim
Aurelie Severasse, no.

Wait a second. Don't you work for the Amarr Empire?

Indeed, I have completed several tasks for the Empire and helped to reclaim Amarr systems, but I don't see how is this related to what we do in Placid.
Originally by: Creetalor
Originally by: Diana Kim
Aurelie Severasse, no.


You should refrain from speaking for Hells Revenge you fight for the Empire and they from the information given in this thread have stated they were viewed as Aurelie Severasse stated.

First, I never spoke for Hells Revenge.
Second, it is a great honor to fight together with our Amarr friends. Do you, hnolku, know what does word 'honor' mean?
Third, I am still loyal to the State and I have rank of Wing Commander in State Protectorate, thus in the question under discussion I support side of the State completely and without doubt.
Well, if you are still not sure whom am I fighting for, I can show you it when we meet in more private setting.

Creetalor
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.04 23:59:00 - [114]
 

The Caldari Business Tribunal has not deemed our actions as having gone beyond standard corporate infighting , please take up your problem to them.However since I do not see your past employment listed and as such your current rank is currently in stasis I doubt they will listen to a current privateer working for the Empire.

You provists are all the same at spewing the word traitor at anyone extending a hand to the gallente and with your aggressions on us and further aggressions on us you forced the guns to take their turn towards you. Those who prey on neutrals outside the War are not your valid targets according to Concord and yet you still fired on them and us. Such actions get you market should you feel a problem with this, please contact our Diplomats about a reset. Sadly knowing you it would not be long until you fire again on us or some neutral.

Provists.... Hotheaded gun slingers
Not much else to say there.

Paul J Keating
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.08.05 00:04:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
...I can show you it when we meet in more private setting.


I'm not quite as in touch with Caldari courtship methods as I was in my younger days but, Madame Creetalor, I'm pretty sure "You're in".

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:40:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Creetalor
Those who prey on neutrals outside the War are not your valid targets according to Concord and yet you still fired on them and us.

Yes, we fire on those, who prey on neutrals despite they are outside the War, because otherwise they will fire on us. We fight against pirates on the same conditions as we fight against our wartargets. Since your agression was confirmed multiple times, you can be equated to those, who prey on neutrals. I admit, that you might not pray on any neutral, but on those, who are fighting on our side, thus from my point of view you will attack anyone on our side and thus you can (must) be shot first.

Originally by: Creetalor
Such actions get you market should you feel a problem with this

I am a combat pilot, and eliminating problems is my profession.

Originally by: Creetalor
please contact our Diplomats about a reset.

I have zero trust in your diplomats. One day I was contacted by I-RED representative who was trying to improve relations with State Protectorate and was hoping to do this with me. I kindly refused and he said that we will continue conversation. Indeed, next day I-RED continued conversation. By destroying my ship with GCC engagement. Very nice way of 'improving relations'.

Anyway, if you seek standing reset, you should not address me, but our diplomats. And no, after this experience I am not going to help you with your... diplomatic... attempts anyhow.

Originally by: Creetalor
Sadly knowing you it would not be long until you fire again on us or some neutral.

If I fire on 'neutral' - it is not neutral. It is either red (that you might not know), or I was ordered by fleet commander to fire upon it, thus I will treat him as red, because direct orders have greater priority than rules of engagement.

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.07 04:34:00 - [117]
 

I laugh when you guy say we are shooting neutrals or innocent citizens. Lots of Gallente, IRED and the happy YMCA (old gay music group) friends are pirates you know...in case you missed the news.

so again.. Mwuahahahaha

Katrina Oniseki
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.07 09:26:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 07/08/2011 09:38:22

This entire discussion is pointless.

We're all Capsuleers, almost independent of the basic concepts of human decency that has lead our species to greatness, and full of the monstrous lust for combat that brought us equal misery. Why do you think the baseliners look upon us with dread and anxiety? Why do you think we're called the "Gods of Destruction" and "Harbingers of Death"? This is exactly the type of behavior they expect from us, and for good reason. It's what we do. Whatever petty excuses we can dream up to shoot and kill each other are worthless, because the truth is obvious to those who are not us.

Even those of you in the militia... you're only a hammer and saw used by those in power. They know our true nature, and exploit it to throw us at each other in the hopes of meeting their own goals. Even with them pulling the strings on us, the worst part of it is... we didn't even need a reason to fight each other.

'You shoot who you want to shoot, and we'll shoot who we want to shoot.'

I guarantee you, we will only continue to be a cycle of death and rebirth.

There is no end to the war amongst our kind. Even if Heth and Roden shook hands, kissed, and decided to merge the State and Federation together... we'd still be at each others throats. Why? Because we want to. It's in our nature.

All of us. STPRO, FDU, ILF, I-RED, Hells Revenge and more. We would keep fighting until the end of our time, or the end of time itself.

Whatever half baked reasons any of you can come up with for fighting now... it's only a means to an end. If you didn't want to fight, you wouldn't be in Placid in a warship. You'd be elsewhere among the dull sounds of strip miners or the silent blinking of market orders.

"You're pirates!"
"No, you're traitors!"
"You're both invaders!"
"And you're a terrorist!"


What is really being said here is actually quite simple,

"I need a reason to kill you."

Admit it.

Katrina Oniseki
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.07 09:37:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Katrina Oniseki on 07/08/2011 09:37:29
((double post. Quoted instead of edited))

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.07 21:08:00 - [120]
 

Has Diana Kim got something else to say yet?


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