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Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2011.07.22 19:15:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Super Chair
...Hell's Revenge is NBSI.....


I found this note interesting, you fly the colors of the Caldari Militia and yet operate as NBSI? That sounds more like a privateer operating under letters of marque than a line militia. Piracy, even under a national flag, is still piracy.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.07.22 19:42:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Van Cleef
Originally by: Super Chair
...Hell's Revenge is NBSI.....


I found this note interesting, you fly the colors of the Caldari Militia and yet operate as NBSI? That sounds more like a privateer operating under letters of marque than a line militia. Piracy, even under a national flag, is still piracy.


Professionalism has plummeted in both FDU and StatePro and is being replaced by privateerism though FDU does seem to attract most of these. Many elements in StatePro still observe NRDS policy such as Nasranite Watch. We dont have too many "reds" on our list and those who are tend to be known enemies of the State such as Star Fraction or organisations who engage in piracy such as Fidelas Constans.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.07.22 19:59:00 - [33]
 

We don't need "known" enemies to justify our actions. If you help the enemy you are the enemy. It seems this concept is to complex to grasp! If we see a corp (statepro, neut or not) helping our enemies then it is an enemy.

Believe me, Hell's Revenge is not a pirate corp but were not afraid to use force to defend the state. Lots of corp seems to be afraid of taking matter in their own hands when it comes to destroy the "real" enemies and some are afraid of the consequences and back down because of it.

Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2011.07.22 20:20:00 - [34]
 

Oh, I understand the concept, but you don't seem to understand the difference between the "friend of my enemy is my enemy" and this hauler on the gate isn't blue, so kill it.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.22 21:30:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Van Cleef
Originally by: Super Chair
...Hell's Revenge is NBSI.....


I found this note interesting, you fly the colors of the Caldari Militia and yet operate as NBSI? That sounds more like a privateer operating under letters of marque than a line militia. Piracy, even under a national flag, is still piracy.


NBSI is not piracy. As soon as it can be piracy, NRDS can be piracy too - just by setting red any target you are going to destroy next.

In terms of military conflict they are just more and less strict RoE.

NBSI means you should destroy any neutral, because this pilot might be disguised enemy, agent of the enemy, spy, booster, logistics, cyno for incoming fleet or whatever.

NRDS means you should engage only confirmed enemies.

Ah, and just to prevent I-RED's propaganda against us: yes, we follow NRDS too.

Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2011.07.23 21:32:00 - [36]
 

Indiscriminately killing people is piracy, as the Not Blue Shoot Instantly ROE would allow. Yes, if you do NRDS, but put everyone red it is the same thing, but lets use common sense and our heads.

For the cheap seats, if you shoot everyone you see based on blue or kill standings - that means you kill random uninvolved people. That is considered criminal acts. That makes you a pirate. Any argument outside that means your trying to justify being a pirate.

That does not mean EVERY criminal act makes you a pirate. I've shot at supposide neutrals scouting gates - however - as a policy CAIN never practiced Not Blue shoot instantly. Not Blue SHOOT instantly in empire space makes you a pirate.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.24 12:59:00 - [37]
 

I am glad to see that CAIN still has its full head, even these days. My best wishes for your ethics on piracy.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.24 13:08:00 - [38]
 

Actually, I think piracy must involve a ransom and robbery of some kind.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.24 13:25:00 - [39]
 

Usual loot is not robbery-ish enough ?

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.24 14:43:00 - [40]
 

So this is the bleeding edge of famed Caldari diplomacy - persistently insult, demean and threaten until they have no choice but to aid your enemy, then cry foul and use it as a pretext for violence against them. Pray continue.

The less allies the State has, the easier the war will be.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.24 15:02:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Van Cleef
Not Blue SHOOT instantly in empire space makes you a pirate.


Lets imagine a situation, you are destroying enemy bunker in empire space, your dreads just entered siege and you have several squads guarding gates. All system is 'blue'. Intelligence reports huge enemy capital fleet on standby several jumps away. Now, unidentified (neutral) heron class ship enters the system. One of your pilots immediately locks and destroys ship, getting global aggression. In the wreck you see only cynosural generator and enemy insignia. Will it make this pilot a pirate?

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.07.24 23:08:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Van Cleef
Not Blue SHOOT instantly in empire space makes you a pirate.


Lets imagine a situation, you are destroying enemy bunker in empire space, your dreads just entered siege and you have several squads guarding gates. All system is 'blue'. Intelligence reports huge enemy capital fleet on standby several jumps away. Now, unidentified (neutral) heron class ship enters the system. One of your pilots immediately locks and destroys ship, getting global aggression. In the wreck you see only cynosural generator and enemy insignia. Will it make this pilot a pirate?


If I may, I will counter your supposition with a supposition. Let us imagine a situation. A pilot is operating in the home system of her corporation, a corporation that has been there longer than most people have had their pilot's licence, a corporation which represents the interests of a people who have inhabited said system for time immemorial.

This pilot have found a site to mine Dark Ochre in the system. Such a site can only be scanned down. They are mining when they are ambushed by the Caldari militia and destroyed. The Caldari militia did not randomly attack them on a gate; this was not an attack of opportunity, no. The militia pilot would have to patiently scan down the hulk, warp directly to it and destroy it.

Would this be an act of piracy, in your opinion?

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.25 13:04:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 25/07/2011 13:04:39
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Van Cleef
Not Blue SHOOT instantly in empire space makes you a pirate.


Lets imagine a situation, you are destroying enemy bunker in empire space, your dreads just entered siege and you have several squads guarding gates. All system is 'blue'. Intelligence reports huge enemy capital fleet on standby several jumps away. Now, unidentified (neutral) heron class ship enters the system. One of your pilots immediately locks and destroys ship, getting global aggression. In the wreck you see only cynosural generator and enemy insignia. Will it make this pilot a pirate?


If I may, I will counter your supposition with a supposition. Let us imagine a situation. A pilot is operating in the home system of her corporation, a corporation that has been there longer than most people have had their pilot's licence, a corporation which represents the interests of a people who have inhabited said system for time immemorial.

This pilot have found a site to mine Dark Ochre in the system. Such a site can only be scanned down. They are mining when they are ambushed by the Caldari militia and destroyed. The Caldari militia did not randomly attack them on a gate; this was not an attack of opportunity, no. The militia pilot would have to patiently scan down the hulk, warp directly to it and destroy it.

Would this be an act of piracy, in your opinion?


Generally speaking, most of the militias - when they actually care to even explain themselves - consider that warzones are excluded of any ethical principles.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.25 13:06:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Edited by: Lyn Farel on 25/07/2011 13:04:39
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Van Cleef
Not Blue SHOOT instantly in empire space makes you a pirate.


Lets imagine a situation, you are destroying enemy bunker in empire space, your dreads just entered siege and you have several squads guarding gates. All system is 'blue'. Intelligence reports huge enemy capital fleet on standby several jumps away. Now, unidentified (neutral) heron class ship enters the system. One of your pilots immediately locks and destroys ship, getting global aggression. In the wreck you see only cynosural generator and enemy insignia. Will it make this pilot a pirate?


If I may, I will counter your supposition with a supposition. Let us imagine a situation. A pilot is operating in the home system of her corporation, a corporation that has been there longer than most people have had their pilot's licence, a corporation which represents the interests of a people who have inhabited said system for time immemorial.

This pilot have found a site to mine Dark Ochre in the system. Such a site can only be scanned down. They are mining when they are ambushed by the Caldari militia and destroyed. The Caldari militia did not randomly attack them on a gate; this was not an attack of opportunity, no. The militia pilot would have to patiently scan down the hulk, warp directly to it and destroy it.

Would this be an act of piracy, in your opinion?


Generally speaking, most of the militias - when they actually care to even explain themselves - consider that warzones are excluded of any ethical principles.


How unfortunate. What purpose does morality and ethics serve if we choose to abandon them when it's convenient?

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.07.25 13:24:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 25/07/2011 13:24:48
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
How unfortunate. What purpose does morality and ethics serve if we choose to abandon them when it's convenient?


I engaged in piracy recently, as far as CONCORD is concerned. We were doing a designated mission behind enemy lines with my comrade. Ten frigates/assault frigates/electronic attack ships from Outer Region alliance Goonswarm attacked us.

As they were soon flagged outlaw I engaged them in my navy caracal and quite soon 4 them were dead. Remaining thought they had enough and proceeded to warp out. Except for one rifter which was slower than his companions. He had not, as of yet, engaged on criminal acts but I was not going to let this attack go unpunished. So I went "criminal" on him and killed it.

Was this unjustified? According to CONCORD it was. I am sure most people will disagree.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.25 13:35:00 - [46]
 

I am not sure if people were speaking of CONCORD specific rules instead of NRDS ethics : in the latter you were perfectly legitimate.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.25 14:21:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 25/07/2011 13:24:48
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
How unfortunate. What purpose does morality and ethics serve if we choose to abandon them when it's convenient?


I engaged in piracy recently, as far as CONCORD is concerned. We were doing a designated mission behind enemy lines with my comrade. Ten frigates/assault frigates/electronic attack ships from Outer Region alliance Goonswarm attacked us.

As they were soon flagged outlaw I engaged them in my navy caracal and quite soon 4 them were dead. Remaining thought they had enough and proceeded to warp out. Except for one rifter which was slower than his companions. He had not, as of yet, engaged on criminal acts but I was not going to let this attack go unpunished. So I went "criminal" on him and killed it.

Was this unjustified? According to CONCORD it was. I am sure most people will disagree.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General



Indeed. I was not at all referring to CONCORD's regulations, but rather our own regulations and the morality and ethics that many of us claim to adhere to.

In your specific situation, if you can verify that the lone Rifter straggler was a part of the Goonswarm fleet, then he would be guilty by association in most law systems regardless of whether or not he directly participated in the action. (Though, to be fair, being present in the fleet at least demonstrates intent, if not actual participation.)

I'm quite familiar with that particular viewpoint, as I am often considered "guilty by association" because of my service in the militia. I am an evil, slavery supporting, Minmatar oppressing, freedom-suppressing tyrant simply by that association.

At least, according to some.

Bow'en
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:16:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Bow''en on 25/07/2011 16:18:00
Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Van Cleef
Not Blue SHOOT instantly in empire space makes you a pirate.


Lets imagine a situation, you are destroying enemy bunker in empire space, your dreads just entered siege and you have several squads guarding gates. All system is 'blue'. Intelligence reports huge enemy capital fleet on standby several jumps away. Now, unidentified (neutral) heron class ship enters the system. One of your pilots immediately locks and destroys ship, getting global aggression. In the wreck you see only cynosural generator and enemy insignia. Will it make this pilot a pirate?


“If patriotism is "the last refuge of a scoundrel," it is not merely because evil deeds may be performed in the name of patriotism, but because patriotic fervor can obliterate moral distinctions altogether”



Hide behind your "morality" and "ethics" as much as you like. We will still be here, standing between you and those you would prey upon.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:32:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 25/07/2011 16:40:45
Comment removed, I somehow missed the quoted text in the previous comment and misunderstood whom was being addressed. My apologies.

Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:08:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel

Generally speaking, most of the militias - when they actually care to even explain themselves - consider that warzones are excluded of any ethical principles.


Corporations assigned to the Militia Proy Wars do consider Warzones as dangerous areas, and as my per corporation in particular, we follow a NBSI rule of engagement. We engage almost everyone within tactical military complexes facilities and strategic objectives (bunkers or assignments behind enemy lines), or people "camping" gates such as the Villore-Old Man Star entry chokepoints, which are the usual places where outlaws hang out.

However, i would not go to such extent as claiming these corporations or their activities in the area are excluded of any ethical principles, otherwise the population of civilians living in planets and stations within these warzones would be unprotected against capsuleers, women would be ravaged, planets and stations would be plundered and local government officials assasinated.

Facts show this is not the case, and the only criminal transgressions made by Capsuleers who fight for each militia are only limited to space-based activities, and even more specific only bound to criminal aggresion against other capsuleers, which is obviously an affair regulated and penalized by CONCORD.

The example case exposed by Monsieur Tafren is clearly intentional, or any other in which the target was actively hunted and pinned down by militia forces acting in a hostile manner. Such "intentional" cases of aggresion could be considered piracy, as long as the target itself is not an outlaw. But in my experience as an active pilot in QCATS, such cases are few and far in between, i cannot deny they do happen or have happened in the past, but to label every militia-signed corporation as a outlaws is stretching the concept a bit too much for my taste.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:35:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Alain Colcer
Originally by: Lyn Farel

Generally speaking, most of the militias - when they actually care to even explain themselves - consider that warzones are excluded of any ethical principles.


Corporations assigned to the Militia Proy Wars do consider Warzones as dangerous areas, and as my per corporation in particular, we follow a NBSI rule of engagement. We engage almost everyone within tactical military complexes facilities and strategic objectives (bunkers or assignments behind enemy lines), or people "camping" gates such as the Villore-Old Man Star entry chokepoints, which are the usual places where outlaws hang out.


I follow NRDS principles, and do not hesitate to open fire on so called neutrals that come in military restricted areas such as military complexes, after a warning of course. If they do not leave, they are considered as valid targets.

Though this is not the same case for a control bunker or a gate. People use the first one as they use planets (warp in, warp out, bookmarks, etc), and the latter to camp either neutrals (where they are pirates), or camp pirates (where they are actually anti pirates). I would never shoot any neutral in these cases unless I have a legitimate reason to do so ; for example, a classical case of an enemy spy sitting on the gate, to whom again I send a warning before opening fire if not complied.

Originally by: Alain Colcer
However, i would not go to such extent as claiming these corporations or their activities in the area are excluded of any ethical principles


My apologies, my statement was too vague. Ethical principles toward other capsuleers. I was not refering to planets and civilian facilities.


(( where ooc it is impossible to say what prevent the capsuleers to harm planets and people other than game mechanisms, because if the game allowed it I am pretty sure most players would happily bombard every planet for the hell of it))

Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2011.07.25 18:05:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Diana Kim
Originally by: Van Cleef
Not Blue SHOOT instantly in empire space makes you a pirate.


Lets imagine a situation, you are destroying enemy bunker in empire space, your dreads just entered siege and you have several squads guarding gates. All system is 'blue'. Intelligence reports huge enemy capital fleet on standby several jumps away. Now, unidentified (neutral) heron class ship enters the system. One of your pilots immediately locks and destroys ship, getting global aggression. In the wreck you see only cynosural generator and enemy insignia. Will it make this pilot a pirate?


I appologize if I cannot provide an answer to every situation in which you would be presented. I believe I mentioned that I have, and CAIN has, shot "neutrals" or unregistered standing individuals that I knew were working with enemy groups. Also, the talk of engaging targets that are within complexes / bunkers - and your in the militia which would reasonably explain YOUR purpose there as a flagged combatant of a war - when the unknown has no reasonable explaination / purpose or business being in that spot OTHER than an obvious motive that is counter to what you are doing as a flagged combatant of war; also not piracy.

Sitting outside a station engaging whatever undocks, NBSI, attacking neutral travelers at gates, NBSI, killing just because you feel like, NBSI. Killing someone who has attempted to, is attempting to or about to attempt to do you violence is called defending yourself.

Sun Zue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.07.25 18:40:00 - [53]
 

I am hearing allot about this thing you all call "Morals". I do believe one person to another they will have different "Morals". I find them to just get in the way of progress, but that is to be seen. We at Short Bus feel that ANY group that is found to be actively helping the FDU, or allies will be KOS. We do not believe in NBSI as wed will not go blue with any group. This however does not mean we will shoot at anyone who pass's by. Also, if comrades do have a Blue standing with a corp, or group, we will not interfere unless provoked.
The ILF has been seen aiding IRED and there for will be considered an ACTIVE participant in IRED's hostel activities against the State. This has made them an enemy of the state.

Creetalor
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.25 20:05:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Creetalor on 25/07/2011 20:22:56
I am sad it came to a targeting error with a freighter due to a overview shift with a Falcon uncloaking under hot guns.

I have been debriefed in Malkalen on the matter and have paid the full amount of the loss and a fine to I-RED on the matter and was given a 72 hour leave of service. to recupperate and rest to ensure such negligence during service due to burn out does not happen again.

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.07.26 00:56:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Sun Zue
I am hearing allot about this thing you all call "Morals". I do believe one person to another they will have different "Morals". I find them to just get in the way of progress, but that is to be seen. We at Short Bus feel that ANY group that is found to be actively helping the FDU, or allies will be KOS. We do not believe in NBSI as wed will not go blue with any group. This however does not mean we will shoot at anyone who pass's by. Also, if comrades do have a Blue standing with a corp, or group, we will not interfere unless provoked.
The ILF has been seen aiding IRED and there for will be considered an ACTIVE participant in IRED's hostel activities against the State. This has made them an enemy of the state.



The Intaki Liberation Front are now enemies of the state? Good to know.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.07.26 00:59:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Alain Octirant on 26/07/2011 00:59:17
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
The Intaki Liberation Front are now enemies of the state? Good to know.


Whatever I might think about you terrorists, I cannot imagine a greater compliment than this.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.07.26 01:46:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Whatever I might think about you terrorists, I cannot imagine a greater compliment than this.


Take this from a dedicated Federal loyalist - the Intaki Liberation Front are not terrorists. I would strongly recommend you attempt to cultivate a friendship, or at the very least, a working relationship with them, Alain - I have found on many occasions it is much better to have their respect than their contempt.

Who knows, maybe they might help you work that stick out of your ass, and you can finally take a publicity photo where you aren't looking like you're about to stab someone.

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.26 15:44:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Sun Zue
I am hearing allot about this thing you all call "Morals". I do believe one person to another they will have different "Morals". I find them to just get in the way of progress, but that is to be seen. We at Short Bus feel that ANY group that is found to be actively helping the FDU, or allies will be KOS. We do not believe in NBSI as wed will not go blue with any group. This however does not mean we will shoot at anyone who pass's by. Also, if comrades do have a Blue standing with a corp, or group, we will not interfere unless provoked.
The ILF has been seen aiding IRED and there for will be considered an ACTIVE participant in IRED's hostel activities against the State. This has made them an enemy of the state.



I guess you being the arbitrator of what the Caldari State's enemies are.

Come on now, don't use "patriotism" to justify a beef you have with other capsuleers. When a Capsuleer's narcissistic tendencies are explained away by some false pretense of allegiance to one of the empires...

Well, figure out for yourself what that is Minmitar.

Sun Zue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.07.26 17:03:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Jon Engel
Originally by: Sun Zue
I am hearing allot about this thing you all call "Morals". I do believe one person to another they will have different "Morals". I find them to just get in the way of progress, but that is to be seen. We at Short Bus feel that ANY group that is found to be actively helping the FDU, or allies will be KOS. We do not believe in NBSI as wed will not go blue with any group. This however does not mean we will shoot at anyone who pass's by. Also, if comrades do have a Blue standing with a corp, or group, we will not interfere unless provoked.
The ILF has been seen aiding IRED and there for will be considered an ACTIVE participant in IRED's hostel activities against the State. This has made them an enemy of the state.



I guess you being the arbitrator of what the Caldari State's enemies are.

Come on now, don't use "patriotism" to justify a beef you have with other capsuleers. When a Capsuleer's narcissistic tendencies are explained away by some false pretense of allegiance to one of the empires...

Well, figure out for yourself what that is Minmitar.


Hahaha.....That is rich bringing race into the argument. What does me being a Minmitar slave child have ANYTHING to do with IRED's action AGAINST The State? I have lived in the Caldari State for the past 2 years and have fought for The State for almost the past year. I never brought up "patriotism", not sure were that can from. Jon, maybe you should look at your own alliance to see the lies and corruption with in. It was only 3 day's ago that IRED took action against The State along side the FDU militia in Fliet. I know as John R. in a Ferox (Ironic) helped lead the assault on State militia pilots.

Bow'en
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.26 17:32:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Bow''en on 26/07/2011 17:32:53
Originally by: Sun Zue
Originally by: Jon Engel
Originally by: Sun Zue
I am hearing allot about this thing you all call "Morals". I do believe one person to another they will have different "Morals". I find them to just get in the way of progress, but that is to be seen. We at Short Bus feel that ANY group that is found to be actively helping the FDU, or allies will be KOS. We do not believe in NBSI as wed will not go blue with any group. This however does not mean we will shoot at anyone who pass's by. Also, if comrades do have a Blue standing with a corp, or group, we will not interfere unless provoked.
The ILF has been seen aiding IRED and there for will be considered an ACTIVE participant in IRED's hostel activities against the State. This has made them an enemy of the state.



I guess you being the arbitrator of what the Caldari State's enemies are.

Come on now, don't use "patriotism" to justify a beef you have with other capsuleers. When a Capsuleer's narcissistic tendencies are explained away by some false pretense of allegiance to one of the empires...

Well, figure out for yourself what that is Minmitar.


Hahaha.....That is rich bringing race into the argument. What does me being a Minmitar slave child have ANYTHING to do with IRED's action AGAINST The State? I have lived in the Caldari State for the past 2 years and have fought for The State for almost the past year. I never brought up "patriotism", not sure were that can from. Jon, maybe you should look at your own alliance to see the lies and corruption with in. It was only 3 day's ago that IRED took action against The State along side the FDU militia in Fliet. I know as John R. in a Ferox (Ironic) helped lead the assault on State militia pilots.

Degenerates masquerading as State Militia to try and avoid repercussion for their acts of piracy are not shown mercy.

I-RED stands on our own feet, you hide your acts of piracy behind the flag of the Caldari State because you lack the conviction to show Placid your true colors. I kind of understand why though, if you did show your true colors, people might think you were planning on flying Amarr ships to match all that yellow...


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