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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.20 08:15:00 - [1]
 

Pretty sure I have never posted this in AH, if so I apologize.
Something that has always bothered me with the mining system we have now is that it is too tree-huggery.
Mankind's methodology for extracting ore has always been: nuke everything and sift through the rubble. But Eve has surgical lasers gentle enticing rocks to hand over their valuables?

I propose we base it on one of the greatest games ever created: Asteroids!
Not only does it make more sense, but it will make militarized mining ops viable and mining in general more "fun".

Basic concept;
- All rocks break apart when subjected to brute force. Once they are gravel/dust they can be collected.
- Any force (DPS) will do. Strip Miners are attributed 1k DPS or there about. Gravel/dust clouds dissipate over time.
- [New module] Wide Tractor Field Array.
Exactly what it says on the tin, not strong enough to move larger solid objects (cans/wrecks), covers a conical area in target direction.
- WTFA are only usable on Rorqual/Orca and T1/T2 Mining Barge's. Rorqual/Orca are given bonuses to the size/speed of the field in place of or in addition to regular tractor bonuses.

Extra/Optional:
- [New Bomb] Gravitational Shear Bomb.
Designed to tear apart porous solid objects (refined metal = ships = denser). Honours the age-old tradition of throwing explosives at a problem.

And there it is, outline anyway. Protection details need never be bored to tears (probably still bored though), Rorqual's get a reason to join the belt parties and door is opened for hostile's to burn the fields.


Lexiah
Posted - 2011.07.20 19:27:00 - [2]
 

i think they should just allow the roqual to use a capital tractor beam to tractor entire roids directly into the hold. then compress/gind them into blocks small enough to refine.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.21 06:10:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Lexiah
i think they should just allow the roqual to use a capital tractor beam to tractor entire roids directly into the hold. then compress/gind them into blocks small enough to refine.

Wouldn't really improve mining as an occupation though Smile

Vaneel Tremurn
Minmatar
Hollow Rock Industries
Posted - 2011.08.15 15:36:00 - [4]
 

How about a POS module that requires both a strategic and industry upgrade that allows you to change high end ore to lower tier?

Obviously a 1:1 ration is ridiculous, but i'm sure you've got enough number crunchers to make it worthwhile.

Of course, you could also just increase the amount of low-end ore in the sov belts.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.08.15 16:19:00 - [5]
 

It seems to me that CCP is aware that they cannot increase the complexity of mining low end ores for three reasons:
1. They're trying to make the game more noob friendly, rather than less.
2. Making mining too hard for bots and/or AFK mining would destabilize the entire Eve market at this point.
3. Some dev also said that they want a semi-AFK-drunk thing for players to do, and mining is their current option.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:23:00 - [6]
 

keep mining the same
add new ships
add new modules
more demand = better prices
ban bots.
people wouldn't care about mining being boring if it made more isk, hell, if mining was 3 times as profitable as it is now i would be doing it right now.

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2011.08.16 15:21:00 - [7]
 

Mining Lazers and Strip miners already do that. But it would be nice to beable to retarget enemy ships with my Mining Lazers and Strip Lazers and use as weapons that they are too.ugh

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.17 19:14:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
....

My proposal still allows for all those points to be "as is", bots can still bot and drunks can still procrastinate.
My aim is to make mining in itself slightly more interesting (+realistic) and in the process give coordinated mining operations a yield advantage.
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
.....

Does that mean that you are perfectly happy with "progress" made in this niche area of Eve to date?
Because that is exactly what CCP has done, added ships and modules with no change at all to the mining part of the equation.
Hopefully the new "report bot" will have an impact, but I doubt it will as big as people think.

The big price changes will come with the null industry revamp and if I have my way, the droves of aborted supers that comes with Assembly Arrays outside POS shields ..... but mining itself will still be niche, boring and 'beneath' most people.

Blondie Rens
Posted - 2011.08.17 21:26:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Bagehi
....

My aim is to make mining in itself slightly more interesting (+realistic) and in the process give coordinated mining operations a yield advantage.


There is nothing realistic about your proposal. If/when we ever get around to mining asteroids (IRL) it won't be by blowing them up. It will be by carefully extracting the materials we want. Blowing them up would be a very very bad thing. Consider how much we are spending trying to track the asteroids and how many we are missing because they are too small.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.18 08:45:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Blondie Rens
...

For contemporary asteroid mining, yes you are probably correct .. I too have perused what related NASA documents I could dig up.

But in twenty thousand years when we have ships, stations and metropolis' with shield bubbles?
When we have constructs so large that their gravitational pull can affect planets below and faster than light travel?

Xavier Liche
Posted - 2011.08.18 17:36:00 - [11]
 

meh, not a bad idea, but I don't see it as worth the dev time.

I would much prefer the dedicated gas ship someone posted.

Captain Skadhi
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:57:00 - [12]
 

That's a very cool idea!

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2011.08.19 17:14:00 - [13]
 

i think module which shuts down all drones and makes mining with guns useless would be cool


 

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