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D'Leh Mannuck
Posted - 2011.07.28 13:19:00 - [31]
 

When do I get my prizes?

Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.28 17:33:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya
One part of your announcement stands out to me.

If, as I understand it, taking slaves from outside the Empire is now illegal how is providing assistance to slavers bringing people in from outisde the Empire legal?

Much as I abhor the underlying philosophy of enlightenment through servitude I was under the impression that the SPCS held itself to be part of the Imperial mainstream, rather than some fringe extremist group willing to break the law to achieve their goals.


Oh don't be so obtuse, Minmatar. Empress Sarum's Imperial edict made it illegal to "take" new slaves from beyond the Empire's borders. This refers to the capturing of individuals and the taking of initial ownership of them as slaves. Once that is done, and the new slave has been properly educated, those slaves join the greater slave trade, which is in no way restricted to Imperial space.

Slaves, first generation and beyond, are a highly sought-after commodity right across the cluster, and it is common for slave traders to establish outposts where stock is kept for dissemination to paying buyers.

Like veldspar.

If you had been properly educated, you would understand all of this and wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself in public.


N'maro Makari
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:19:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: N'maro Makari
Edited by: N''maro Makari on 23/07/2011 11:39:11
While I welcome this move as bold and in the right direction, my stance is and will continue to be for the release of all slaves within the life of the current generation.



"All" slaves ?


Yes Farel, all slaves. You did read that correctly.

Lliera
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:59:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Lliera on 28/07/2011 19:00:26
Originally by: N'maro Makari

Yes Farel, all slaves. You did read that correctly.


So...including slaves from inside the Empire whose liberty was taken away as a punishment for one or several great sins, like murder, sexual assault and arson ?

Not all slaves are the innocents victims you believe they are, even though it holds some truth for the matari ones.

As for the name, Port Kuria seems fitting, as what it does reminds me of the porphet's words :

"For forty millennia we struggled in the desert.
Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance.
One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence. Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only in God."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 4:23

concerning both its missions, might I add.

I will pray for the success of your endeavor.

Ha'lak Hanomaa
Posted - 2011.07.28 21:58:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Ha''lak Hanomaa on 28/07/2011 21:58:18
**deleted by pilot, please remove**

Saikoyu
Amarr
Rho Dynamics
Posted - 2011.07.28 22:00:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Saikoyu on 28/07/2011 22:00:16
Originally by: Esan Vartesa
Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya
One part of your announcement stands out to me.

If, as I understand it, taking slaves from outside the Empire is now illegal how is providing assistance to slavers bringing people in from outisde the Empire legal?

Much as I abhor the underlying philosophy of enlightenment through servitude I was under the impression that the SPCS held itself to be part of the Imperial mainstream, rather than some fringe extremist group willing to break the law to achieve their goals.


Oh don't be so obtuse, Minmatar. Empress Sarum's Imperial edict made it illegal to "take" new slaves from beyond the Empire's borders. This refers to the capturing of individuals and the taking of initial ownership of them as slaves. Once that is done, and the new slave has been properly educated, those slaves join the greater slave trade, which is in no way restricted to Imperial space.

Slaves, first generation and beyond, are a highly sought-after commodity right across the cluster, and it is common for slave traders to establish outposts where stock is kept for dissemination to paying buyers.

Like veldspar.

If you had been properly educated, you would understand all of this and wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself in public.




Pilot Vartesa, like others in the Kingdom and the Empire that I have noticed, you do leave out some interesting points. First, while you are correct in that the trading of slaves outside the Empire, Kingdom, and Mandate is legal in the capsuler market under CONCORD law it is illegal to transport slaves in most of that same territory by the laws of the local empires. Therefore, Pilot Ogunkoya does have a point as the transportation of these slaves out of, say for instance, the Republic, would be illegal under the Republic's laws, and the same would follow for most other empires outside the Amarrian block. I would hope that Lord Murkon was only referring to the Kingdom and the Mandate and not advocating illegal action.

In either case, and to avoid capsulers or others running afoul of the local laws, I will offer to take any slaves who might be found outside of the Amarrian Block off the hands of whoever currently holds them, with no questions asked. Mail me with your usual times of operation and a meeting place and I will personally arrive for them. All may be assured that they will be given food, shelter, care, and any attention needed until they are well enough in mind and body to be released to the destination of their choice. I will note no payment will be offered, though any donations for the continued care of these people will be accepted.

On a related topic, I would like to ask Lord Murkon or any of his associates for a copy of the SPCS guidelines for operation in slave training and release, if they are publicly available.

N'maro Makari
Posted - 2011.07.29 09:34:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Lliera
Edited by: Lliera on 28/07/2011 19:00:26
Originally by: N'maro Makari

Yes Farel, all slaves. You did read that correctly.


So...including slaves from inside the Empire whose liberty was taken away as a punishment for one or several great sins, like murder, sexual assault and arson ?

Not all slaves are the innocents victims you believe they are, even though it holds some truth for the matari ones.

As for the name, Port Kuria seems fitting, as what it does reminds me of the porphet's words :

"For forty millennia we struggled in the desert.
Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance.
One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence. Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only in God."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 4:23

concerning both its missions, might I add.

I will pray for the success of your endeavor.


Matari know what justice is. We also know, which you seem to have let slip your mind, the difference between slaves and criminals. Good to know that you consider slaves on the level of criminal prisoners.

Lliera
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.29 10:50:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Lliera on 29/07/2011 10:55:37
Originally by: N'maro Makari

Matari know what justice is. We also know, which you seem to have let slip your mind, the difference between slaves and criminals. Good to know that you consider slaves on the level of criminal prisoners.


Most Criminal prisoners in the Amarr Empire are slaves because of their criminal behavior. It is their punishment. Instead of emprisonment, they are enslaved and redeem themselves by working for the Empire. I never compared slaves on a general basis with criminals. In addition, I also stated that

Originally by: Lliera
Not all slaves are the innocents victims you believe they are, even though it holds some truth for the matari ones.



Allow me to rephrase the second part : I believe that most matari slaves are indeed innocents.

Next time, before throwing rocks at an amarrian, I advise checking what he or she actually wrote. Just in case.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.29 21:10:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: N'maro Makari
Originally by: Lliera
Edited by: Lliera on 28/07/2011 19:00:26
Originally by: N'maro Makari

Yes Farel, all slaves. You did read that correctly.


So...including slaves from inside the Empire whose liberty was taken away as a punishment for one or several great sins, like murder, sexual assault and arson ?

Not all slaves are the innocents victims you believe they are, even though it holds some truth for the matari ones.

As for the name, Port Kuria seems fitting, as what it does reminds me of the porphet's words :

"For forty millennia we struggled in the desert.
Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance.
One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence. Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only in God."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 4:23

concerning both its missions, might I add.

I will pray for the success of your endeavor.


Matari know what justice is.


Obviously not. Definitions conflict.

Grey Faith
Posted - 2011.07.29 22:07:00 - [40]
 

Lord Murkon,

I would humbly suggest Port Revelation. It is good to hear that the society is doing well and treating those who are less fortunate than ourselves with dignity and respect.

Whatever name you choose will of course be the best, but I would suggest Revelation because we as Amarr need to have this revealed to us. I have unfortunately witnessed a few cruel acts in my time and I did contact the authorities to no avail. I hope to hear more from your society as you push for a revelation through out the empire.

Grey

Domitianus Fury
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.30 21:47:00 - [41]
 

I propose the name Port Magisterium to represent the teaching function of the SPCS.


Lord Murkon
Amarr
SPCS
Posted - 2011.08.01 03:17:00 - [42]
 


A review of offered names is now being conducted by myself and the SPCS Chairman the honorable Lord Archbishop. Once a winner is chosen a public announcement will be made. Thank you all for the suggestions (at least those with serious suggestions). The SPCS remains committed to furthering the cause of humane slave treatment.

Lord Murkon

D'Leh Mannuck
Posted - 2011.08.10 14:18:00 - [43]
 

I will keep it simple, keep them prizes, I am just glad I could deliver the perfect name for your new Port.

Drake Foxes
Posted - 2011.08.13 18:28:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Drake Foxes on 13/08/2011 18:29:25
Did no one suggest the name Port Manteau? I'm disappointed.


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