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Leetha Layne
Posted - 2011.07.20 01:36:00 - [1]
 

Been flying a Domi for a bit and getting ready to try another Gallente BS.
Playing with EFT, Hyperion looks like a fun ship. More firepower, shield armor and cap. Not to mention 8 highs. The loss of one low can be compensated.
Anyone flown one in level 4s with any success?

Firenze93
Caldari
The Tok'Ra Mandate
Liberi Fatales
Posted - 2011.07.20 01:52:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Firenze93 on 20/07/2011 01:52:48
T2 Sentries + Domi > Any Hyperion

Edit: But alas, I have never flown one , no. I don't see why...you can stick guns on a Domi and shoot things too! Cool

Leetha Layne
Posted - 2011.07.20 01:59:00 - [3]
 

My domi does fine, don't get me wrong. I just like to switch up ships every now and then.

It just seems, on paper at least, that the Hyperion is faster and has more DPS if not tank.

I will probably give it a shot, but wanted some first hand advice.

Elsa Nietchize
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:25:00 - [4]
 

the proper answer is:
if you're done with the domi, train for the raven

I likegirls
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:28:00 - [5]
 

Back when I was a noob I dual boxed with a raven and a hyperion. Hyperion with 425 railguns, a shield tank w/large shield booster and then heavy drones.

It was actually pretty good at ripping through rats even though it was a dumb fit. 3 damage mods ftw.

Force Colonel
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:38:00 - [6]
 

right now, i am using Hyperion for Pve and passive armor Dominix for pvp. Well i don't have enough skills for T2 sentries or T2 ogres. Well Dominix tank(if i set up 350 rails) or dps (if i use dual rep) is not enough for heaven anomalies. Hyperion's bonus to armor repair + bonus to dps - just awesome for me

Anya Ohaya
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:40:00 - [7]
 

Forget Hyperion. For L4 Gallente really only offer Dominix (+Navy) and Ishtar.

Cross train Caldari opens up Gila, Rattlesnake, Drake, Tengu, Raven, Navy Raven and Golem.

Cross train Minmatar, opens up Cyclone, Hurricane, Cynabal, Macherial, Maelstrom, Typhoon.

Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.20 03:31:00 - [8]
 

lol hype hate Laughing
i did used 1, heres the fit if thats any help
[Hyperion, New Setup 1]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II

350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

web is for elite frigs so that ogre could hit them.


Ogre II x4

Leetha Layne
Posted - 2011.07.20 03:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Akuma Tsukai
lol hype hate Laughing
i did used 1, heres the fit if thats any help
[Hyperion, New Setup 1]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Stasis Webifier II

350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

web is for elite frigs so that ogre could hit them.


Ogre II x4



That's close to what I was thinking. Thanks!

Force Colonel
Posted - 2011.07.20 03:51:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Force Colonel on 20/07/2011 04:02:17
Edited by: Force Colonel on 20/07/2011 03:55:16
no, u do it wrong....
I use 425 prototype rails + PG4(20 kk ISK) or PG8 implant (127 kk ISK)(I have only Adv. weap. upgr. lvl4)
For T2 425 rails you need current router rig
If you cap is stable for 6 minutes u can easily do this - setup one or two computer tracker T2 in med slot( or one Computer tracker and Drone navigation)
Drop 2 Ogres and box up Medium 5XT2 and 2 Ogres or 5 Light scout drones
btw: Try Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer(about 80 kk isk)+ auxiliary nano pump rig and look amount of armor repair - that's awesome

Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.20 14:55:00 - [11]
 

i see no point in not using hype bonus for missions. 1 repper+4 hardeners are enough, hype has bonus allowing -1 hardener (actually - 2 but i want to be safe too). Faction repper is overtank.
As for 425 - to each his own. I found that fitting issues make it just not worth it esp as u advocate getting rid of heavy drones too.
with all lvl 5 char my fit has 762 dps, if we SIMPLY change to 425 rails and 5 mediums (not taking fitting issues into consideration) we get 693. Add to that cap stability issues, fitting issues, etc etc. Do extra 9km optimal really worth all that?

Sydney Nelson
Posted - 2011.07.20 18:15:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Sydney Nelson on 20/07/2011 18:17:25
I haven't flown the Dominix, from everything I've read though, it seems that it is the most versatile, fastest, easiest mission boat out there.

Having said that, it's ugly, and sounds very boring to fly.
I flew Mega for a while, in some ways it's a little better than the Hype (targeting range, drone range 'with Drone Link Augmentor') The tracking bonus is a wash because it can be compensated for with a Tracking Computer. Once I got the fitting right on my Hyperion though, it was awesome! (Better DPS and speed than the Mega, tank is a non-issue as I like to range-tank "kiting".)

Here's how I have mine fit. It's a pretty unconventional fit based on what I have seen on Battleclinic, but it works well for me.

Lows:
Mag Field Stab II
Mag Field Stab II
Mag Field Stab II
Large Armor Repairer II
Kinetic Armor Hardener II (Or other mission specific resist)
Thermic Armor Hardener II (Or other mission specific resist)

Mids:
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Tracking Comp. II (Tracking Speed or Optimal Range Script)
Tracking Comp. II (Tracking Speed or Optimal Range Script)

Highs:
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Antimatter)
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Antimatter)
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Antimatter)
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Antimatter)
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Antimatter)
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Antimatter)
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Antimatter)
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Antimatter)

Rigs:
Large Ancillary Current Router
Capacitor Control Circuit
Capacitor Control Circuit

Drones:
5 light drones for interceptors
3 heavy drones for BS's (mixed with 2 of your lights)

Let me explain how I fly it before I get flack from people who fly theirs differently.

This is a Range/DPS tank. Much different from a Dominix strategy. Instead of sitting there with dual reps on constantly, letting the rats pound you. You keep your range and YOU pound them.

With the 2 Tracking Comps on there you can do huge DPS from 10km out to 72km (max targeting range of the ship) by just switching scrips. No need to bring any ammo except for antimatter.

It's not cap stable *gasp!!!* But really it doesn't need to be. (Think about it this way, If you're cap stable it means you're sacrificing DPS.) It's stable with everything except the repper running, and you should only need that in pulses.

If you need more tank, switch out some Mag Stabs for Hardeners, if you need more cap time (because you're running the repper non-stop) then drop a Tracking Comp for a Cap recharger.

Thanks for reading my wall of text.... Hope this helps, there are many ways to fit/fly a ship, this one works well for me.

Whiteknight03
WESAYSO Industries
Posted - 2011.07.20 21:13:00 - [13]
 

Well that looks nice and all, except the tank is anemic and the damage is also pathetic. A rail + sentry domi still beats that dps at anything less than 30km, and matches it above 30km to locking range.
The domi will have twice the tank, and won't have to spend the first few minutes of a mission frantically running away from anything with a web.
Plus the domi can easily be made cap stable too. I'd love to see a good hyperion setup, as it's a great looking ship, but so far, I haven't seen one yet.

Sydney Nelson
Posted - 2011.07.20 21:28:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Sydney Nelson on 20/07/2011 21:38:32
Please read the first sentence of my post. We all know the Dominix is king of the mission boats. I never said my fit was better. The OP was looking for a good fit for a Gallente BS OTHER than the Dominix.
Honestly, I think the Dominix needs a nerf, but that's an entirely different thread.
This thread isn't a "Domnix vs Hyperion" thread, it's a "I'm tired of flying the Dominix and want to try a Hyperion" thread.

Since you brought it up, when using this ship, I don't have to "frantically run from anything with a web", I just sick the T2 light drones on them and continue to pop the cruisers, and BS's. The only time this fitting really sucks is when you get one of those missions where they drop you right into the middle of a huge ball of rats. Most missions you can dictate range and manage agro easily. If the 'ceptors are more than 50km away, you can insta-pop them with 2 guns as soon as they hit the MWD.

For the "dropped into the middle of a huge ball of rats" missions, just switch to a dual-rep tank.

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2011.07.20 23:05:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Sydney Nelson
Edited by: Sydney Nelson on 20/07/2011 21:38:32
Please read the first sentence of my post. We all know the Dominix is king of the mission boats. I never said my fit was better. The OP was looking for a good fit for a Gallente BS OTHER than the Dominix.
Honestly, I think the Dominix needs a nerf, but that's an entirely different thread.
This thread isn't a "Domnix vs Hyperion" thread, it's a "I'm tired of flying the Dominix and want to try a Hyperion" thread.

Since you brought it up, when using this ship, I don't have to "frantically run from anything with a web", I just sick the T2 light drones on them and continue to pop the cruisers, and BS's. The only time this fitting really sucks is when you get one of those missions where they drop you right into the middle of a huge ball of rats. Most missions you can dictate range and manage agro easily. If the 'ceptors are more than 50km away, you can insta-pop them with 2 guns as soon as they hit the MWD.

For the "dropped into the middle of a huge ball of rats" missions, just switch to a dual-rep tank.



NERF NERF???

yOU SHUT YOUR FACE. One of the few truely awesome Gallente ship that CCP has nerfed repeateadly and yet still manages to be good and you want them to go further? Shut your face.

Sessym
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.21 07:12:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Sessym on 21/07/2011 07:12:37
Originally by: Leetha Layne
Playing with EFT, Hyperion looks like a fun ship.


It is. Just,

Originally by: Leetha Layne
More firepower, shield armor and cap. Not to mention 8 highs.


That's not 100% true.

Let me elaborate. First of all, you are right in that the Hype can have a good enough tank using very few slots. The real problem here comes with the weapon system. Or, more accurately, that's what people perceive as a problem. Rails eat up your PG without providing you any real advantage that you can use in missions. Blasters mean constant moving around.

But! That is where the fun part is. It's really funny when your blasters start to work properly (low transversal, right up yer ass). It certainly isn't as convenient as a Domi, and takes slower to do missions, but it's involving and fun to fly.

This setup here, it did down Rachen Mysuna in about 3 minutes (took ten with an arty Maelstrom, yet I have much better skills for it):

[Hyperion, I can haz Level4s?]

Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L

LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.07.21 12:39:00 - [17]
 

Frankly problem with hype is rails to get actually something done in a timely manner means you you need a lot of nag stabs, preferably 3.
Then you have that tiny drone bay barely able to hold a flight of light drones to scare off the frigates.
Problem comes worse if you do anomalies and you need to fit tracking computers to get enough range to reach +80km without hitting rats like a wet noodle.
So for PvE you don't do enough dps to kill rats with your low tank and with proper tank your missions take forever, in pvp you have to fit a shield tank, to get close before you blow up, thus rendering active tanking bonus useless.

But if you absolutely insist using a hype you need something like this get anything useful from it:

[Hyperion, Hyperion mission ship]
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x10

That gives you less dps then my domi does but tank is actually better since hype has a tanking bonus, otherwise I wouldn't bother if I were you.
425's can't hit a broad side of a barn without tracking computers and they also help when rats hang around 60-80km mark.

a domi fit for comparison:

[Dominix, T4 drone misuilu]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5

You can squeeze some extra dps with faction pimpage from both fits (about 60dps with my skills for domi and 37 for hype).
That faction repper is quite essential allowing you to drop hardeners for mag stabs and both ships can also shield tank.

Sonya Kranz
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:01:00 - [18]
 

I have used all the gallente battleships in pve, and have never been very fond of the hyperion. It has some issues which annoyed me.
6 lowslots means its tank bonus is more or less wasted, or at the least not as good as it could have been.
Not enough powergrid means you cannot fit a rack of 425s without sacrificing something in the way of rigs.
No tracking bonus means youll have to use an extra tracking computer compared to a megathron
Its targeting range sucks.

There are a few possible fits to use it in PvE, but it will never be that great, mostly just on par with the megathron.
the navy megathron and ultimately kronos are far better, albeit more expensive ships.

But in the end i would still suggest crosstraining minmatar for stuff like the mealstrom, machariel, sleipnir etc.
I assure you that you will never look back when it comes to gunships!

Buzzmong
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:35:00 - [19]
 

I wonder if changing the bonus for active armour repping to something like a 10% per level reduction in the mass penality of armour plates would work well.

Should mean it can plate up, have a decent armour HP buffer and not be space brick, allowing it to be better at its supposed role as a good blaster boat.

Leetha Layne
Posted - 2011.07.21 17:09:00 - [20]
 

Thanks for all the help guys!

I have a Mini alt with a AC Mael already, and it kills!

Some really whack builds suggested here I am gonna try. I mean why not?


 

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