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Bantara
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:35:00 - [31]
 

Knowledge of a programming language is not a pre-req for realizing that hybrids have been waiting to be balanced for a freaking long time, that many 0.0 residents feel there are imbalances, to question personel resource management regarding new development vs. balancing and bug-killing...

--professional assembly programer

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:37:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 21:36:56
Originally by: Bantara
Knowledge of a programming language is not a pre-req for realizing that hybrids have been waiting to be balanced for a freaking long time, that many 0.0 residents feel there are imbalances, to question personel resource management regarding new development vs. balancing and bug-killing...

--professional assembly programer



Assembly, now theres a guy that likes sodomy.

Oh hardware hardware, ok so do it in VHDL :)

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:37:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Crasniya
I like you, you're funny. C++ and C# usually. My language of choice is PHP, but it's not practical for many things, of course. I know a little Java. But coffee makes me sick.


This confirms troll thread. Not epic, not even entertaining, just sad. Neutral

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:38:00 - [34]
 

You don't need any technical education to detect bugs/errors at user level, lots of game/software testers have no or little technical background.

You only need to understand code if you are the person that is assigned to locate and fix the problem.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:39:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 21:44:48
Originally by: dexington
You don't need any technical education to detect bugs/errors at user level, lots of game/software testers have no or little technical background.

You only need to understand code if you are the person that is assigned to locate and fix the problem.



Common sense.. Check
Ability to learn... Check
Ability to break down problems... Check
Real world experience... Check

Hired.

Mr fancy pants Certificate kisser... Go to BigCorp.

You do realise just being a coder even with certificates, you are dime a dozen, I can pick any number of cheaper people anywhere in the world to do what you do.
Want to succeed, know a domain well (and no, that is not Java or some other lanugage - they are just TOOLS).

Crasniya
Gallente
Dragon's Legion of New Eden
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:43:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: Crasniya
I like you, you're funny. C++ and C# usually. My language of choice is PHP, but it's not practical for many things, of course. I know a little Java. But coffee makes me sick.


This confirms troll thread. Not epic, not even entertaining, just sad. Neutral


What do you have against my language of choice? :P I can write in a variety, but these are just the three I end up spending the most time with.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:46:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Crasniya
...coffee makes me sick...


You're in the wrong job, then.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:47:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 21:47:12
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Crasniya
...coffee makes me sick...


You're in the wrong job, then.



I opened a jar of raw Valerian root herb at work once to make tea, my workmate goes nuts, and well yeah, it did kinda stink out the entire building floor it is that strong, we kinda had the giggles from it too.


Crasniya
Gallente
Dragon's Legion of New Eden
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:47:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Crasniya
...coffee makes me sick...


You're in the wrong job, then.


I know, right? It's okay though, because I just end up chugging soda starting bright and early. ;)

Tyke Orlieveit
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:54:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 21:22:30

I can code and that includes .. AI ..


Have to, HAVE to pull you up on this as I'm bored.

What's your thoughts on the recent development of this "learning AI"?

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/language-from-games-0712.html

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:59:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 19/07/2011 22:08:11
BSc in Computer Science, well on my way to Master's in SW engineering, been teaching C++ for two years now, and I can tell from the devblogs and from the bugs in the game that CCP's code is $HIT.

edit: yes, if CCP flies me to Iceland and pays wages appropriate for the job, I'm pretty confident I could do better.

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:01:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Crasniya
....you can't talk.

I've gotten pretty fed up with people in various forum posts who think they have the right to whine and moan about CCP's game design, game programming, code optimization work, etc. etc. etc. from people who obviously have no grasp of what it takes to code a game of Solitaire, much less an MMO.

Get a Bachelor's of Science in Game and Simulation Programming (That's what DeVry calls it anyways, sure other colleges have similar degrees under different names), and if you STILL have complaints... then whine and moan.


Personally, I have a Master degree in the field of Software Engineering Razz

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:02:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 22:08:19

Originally by: Tyke Orlieveit
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 21:22:30

I can code and that includes .. AI ..


Have to, HAVE to pull you up on this as I'm bored.

What's your thoughts on the recent development of this "learning AI"?

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/language-from-games-0712.html



Ahh yes I briefly read about that the other day. Didn't look into it much but for universal translation like star trek, could be awesome, it is just a matter of learning the structure (grammar) then the words and then map them across other (as star trek puts it) the language matrix's (matrices).

Another use would be SETI, decoding messages that may appear as random background noise.

What about old ancient languages (as opposed to new ancient languages lol) that we have no clue what they are, run it through the program :)

Stick the code onto an FPGA and it will run blindlingly fast :)

Tyke Orlieveit
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:11:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 22:08:19

Originally by: Tyke Orlieveit
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 21:22:30

I can code and that includes .. AI ..


Have to, HAVE to pull you up on this as I'm bored.

What's your thoughts on the recent development of this "learning AI"?

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/language-from-games-0712.html



Ahh yes I briefly read about that the other day. Didn't look into it much but for universal translation like star trek, could be awesome, it is just a matter of learning the structure (grammar) then the words and then map them across other (as star trek puts it) the language matrix's (matrices).

Another use would be SETI, decoding messages that may appear as random background noise.

What about old ancient languages (as opposed to new ancient languages lol) that we have no clue what they are, run it through the program :)

Stick the code onto an FPGA and it will run blindlingly fast :)



Imagine other applications such as small-fry trading on the global marketplace, it starts out and fumbles, but then learns it, and can play the market based on trending..

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:14:00 - [45]
 

Now that we have acquired so many experts. Why don't some of you apply for a job with CCP! If you can do better I think everyone here will appreciate it :D

Tyke Orlieveit
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:17:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
Now that we have acquired so many experts. Why don't some of you apply for a job with CCP! If you can do better I think everyone here will appreciate it :D


The problem is you can't go in and demand a company changes to the way you see things.

You bend to the corporate line, despite even if you know things can be done better another way. You have to negotiate and manipulate to get swing your way to be able to put things in place.

Or warn them, have evidence, let something fail catastrophically, and even then it's not a guarantee, they might just fire you for not warning them enough.

Corporate life is a joke.

Crasniya
Gallente
Dragon's Legion of New Eden
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:19:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Tyke Orlieveit
Corporate life is a joke.


That's why I want to work for the government.

*cough**choke**chuckle**cough**cough**cough*

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:20:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
Now that we have acquired so many experts. Why don't some of you apply for a job with CCP! If you can do better I think everyone here will appreciate it :D

You mean, other than the fact they pay 30%-50% less than similar jobs in the rest of the EU, have longer working hours with no bonus pay but "other" perks (that aren't really worth it overall, not for long anyway), you get paid in Icelandic Kronur and have problems converting them to either USD or EUR, have negligible advancement chances if you're not an Icelander yourself, and last but not least, the fact it's a fairly stressful working environment ?
Yeah, I can't say why people aren't flocking over there right now !
Rolling Eyes

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:22:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 22:28:29
Originally by: Tyke Orlieveit
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 22:08:19

Originally by: Tyke Orlieveit
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 21:22:30

I can code and that includes .. AI ..


Have to, HAVE to pull you up on this as I'm bored.

What's your thoughts on the recent development of this "learning AI"?

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/language-from-games-0712.html



Ahh yes I briefly read about that the other day. Didn't look into it much but for universal translation like star trek, could be awesome, it is just a matter of learning the structure (grammar) then the words and then map them across other (as star trek puts it) the language matrix's (matrices).

Another use would be SETI, decoding messages that may appear as random background noise.

What about old ancient languages (as opposed to new ancient languages lol) that we have no clue what they are, run it through the program :)

Stick the code onto an FPGA and it will run blindlingly fast :)



Imagine other applications such as small-fry trading on the global marketplace, it starts out and fumbles, but then learns it, and can play the market based on trending..



No because they use pattern trading already, and they also PAY LOTS to get REAL TIME DATA AHEAD of the COMPETITIORS / PUBLIC TRADERS etc.

It is called HFT (High Frequencey Trading) (and yes they run them on FPGA's too for SPEEEED).

You can see some patterns here... http://www.nanex.net/FlashCrash/CCircleDay.html

Some companies even PHYSICALLY MOVE NEXT TO THE EXCHANGE to lower latencies on the data flow :)

It is BIG MONEY.

Zag'mar Jurkar
Minmatar
Advent of the Blood Sun
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:24:00 - [50]
 

Well then I can't complain either when I get my car to the garage but the car still have problems, because, you know, I don't know much about engines.
I shouldn't complain about the guy being judged irresponsible of his acts after killing his 2 kids because I know nothing about law.
I shouldn't X because I don't know Y.

Your logic is fail.

Tyke Orlieveit
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:26:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Crasniya
Originally by: Tyke Orlieveit
Corporate life is a joke.


That's why I want to work for the government.

*cough**choke**chuckle**cough**cough**cough*


You mean so when you get buggered, you at least know they'll be in a nice suit?

Tyke Orlieveit
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:30:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Miilla


No because they use pattern trading already, and they also PAY LOTS to get REAL TIME DATA AHEAD of the COMPETITIORS / PUBLIC TRADERS etc.

It is called HFT (High Frequencey Trading) (and yes they run them on FPGA's too for SPEEEED).

You can see some patterns here... http://www.nanex.net/FlashCrash/CCircleDay.html



I'd heard about some stuff like this, but I confess, my interest wasn't in it to research more. Cool idea/tech, too much of the 0.01%'ing for my patience.

Slamming massive fake orders down, dropping them, and playing the whole system for a % of a turn to get an edge of a second over purchases of an opponent, isn't my world. :P

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:33:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 19/07/2011 22:33:23
Originally by: Tyke Orlieveit
Originally by: Miilla


No because they use pattern trading already, and they also PAY LOTS to get REAL TIME DATA AHEAD of the COMPETITIORS / PUBLIC TRADERS etc.

It is called HFT (High Frequencey Trading) (and yes they run them on FPGA's too for SPEEEED).

You can see some patterns here... http://www.nanex.net/FlashCrash/CCircleDay.html



I'd heard about some stuff like this, but I confess, my interest wasn't in it to research more. Cool idea/tech, too much of the 0.01%'ing for my patience.

Slamming massive fake orders down, dropping them, and playing the whole system for a % of a turn to get an edge of a second over purchases of an opponent, isn't my world. :P



Patience? It is AUTOMATED. Have you any idea how much HFT makes??

Tyke Orlieveit
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:34:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Tyke Orlieveit
Originally by: Miilla


No because they use pattern trading already, and they also PAY LOTS to get REAL TIME DATA AHEAD of the COMPETITIORS / PUBLIC TRADERS etc.

It is called HFT (High Frequencey Trading) (and yes they run them on FPGA's too for SPEEEED).

You can see some patterns here... http://www.nanex.net/FlashCrash/CCircleDay.html



I'd heard about some stuff like this, but I confess, my interest wasn't in it to research more. Cool idea/tech, too much of the 0.01%'ing for my patience.

Slamming massive fake orders down, dropping them, and playing the whole system for a % of a turn to get an edge of a second over purchases of an opponent, isn't my world. :P



Patience? It is AUTOMATED.



Aye, but you have to at least understand what you're manipulating, and be able to adjust for the outcomes? Otherwise you are just ****ing into the wind?

S Byerley
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:36:00 - [55]
 

Quote:
C# usually. My language of choice is PHP


Confirmed troll. Also, the HFT people hire mathematicians, not programmers.

As a former programmer, I demand that they adopt a more intuitive file naming system.... No I don't, Exefile.exe is awesome.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:41:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: S Byerley
Quote:
C# usually. My language of choice is PHP


Confirmed troll. Also, the HFT people hire mathematicians, not programmers.

As a former programmer, I demand that they adopt a more intuitive file naming system.... No I don't, Exefile.exe is awesome.



You should tell these guys that... http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/28/high-frequency-trading-personal-finance-programmer-pay.html





Barakkus
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:49:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Some companies even PHYSICALLY MOVE NEXT TO THE EXCHANGE to lower latencies on the data flow :)

[/Yellow]


No they don't, they co-locate servers that do their trading in the same buildings the server farms for the exchanges are in for lower latency, they don't physically move their businesses.

You're a bad troll.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:51:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Miilla

Some companies even PHYSICALLY MOVE NEXT TO THE EXCHANGE to lower latencies on the data flow :)

[/Yellow]


No they don't, they co-locate servers that do their trading in the same buildings the server farms for the exchanges are in for lower latency, they don't physically move their businesses.

You're a bad troll.


Yeah that's what I meant, they physically move their companies hardware to the exhcange, effectively moving the company presence there, and actualy some do aim to have offices in that area, I know a guy that does work for a trading company, and it is practically on top of the exchange (and hardware at it).


S Byerley
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:00:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: S Byerley on 19/07/2011 23:01:07
Originally by: Miilla


You should tell these guys that... http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/28/high-frequency-trading-personal-finance-programmer-pay.html







Jeff Gomberg's Education
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
MS,BS, Computer Engineering

He didn't go to school for either. The fact that he's writing pattern recognition algorithms makes him a mathematician by most definitions. Believe me, coding up the algorithm in his language of choice is the easy part.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:01:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: S Byerley
Originally by: Miilla


You should tell these guys that... http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/28/high-frequency-trading-personal-finance-programmer-pay.html







Jeff Gomberg's Education
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
MS,BS, Computer Engineering

He didn't go to school for either. The fact that he's writing pattern recognition algorithm makes him a mathematician by most definitions. Believe me, coding up the algorithm in his language of choice is the easy part.




Not always, I write algorithms yet I am not a mathmatician lol


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