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Elina Tan
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:11:00 - [1]
 

CCP, you want to sell 'convenience'? Then allow me to buy premium Research Lab time; like available slots, x0.56 multipliers, etc.

I'd *certainly* pay Aurum for that!

MNagy
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:31:00 - [2]
 

No way,

That gives you an advantage with real money in the game.

Elina Tan
Posted - 2011.07.18 20:52:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: MNagy
No way,

That gives you an advantage with real money in the game.


Does it? I'm just purchasing a commodity, like available research slots and time. Mind you, this is no more giving me an 'advantage' than buying POS time somewhere -- the only difference being that I can do it directly via the NeX store (which is where CCP's 'convenience' part comes in).

And think about it, why shouldn't NPC stations rent out research slots, for immediately availability, to folks willing to pay extra for it? The fact that they don't is actually what's strange. It's like selling server bandwidth: if you pay more, you get more. Makes perfect sense to me.

Also, please don't get hung up on the word 'Aurum,' as it would likely just be PLEXes converted to Aurum anyway.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:03:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Elina Tan
And think about it, why shouldn't NPC stations rent out research slots, for immediately availability, to folks willing to pay extra for it?

Because your proposal gives an in game advantage for Aurum.

If you wan't private research slots there is nothing stopping you from putting up a POS somewhere.

Elina Tan
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:08:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank

If you wan't private research slots there is nothing stopping you from putting up a POS somewhere.

I don't see how. If I form a 1-man corp, people will just dec me and fly in as many battleships as it takes to destroy my POS in highsec. And in low/null sec I probably wouldn't even get the chance to put one up.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:28:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Elina Tan

Originally by: Lady Spank

If you wan't private research slots there is nothing stopping you from putting up a POS somewhere.



I don't see how. If I form a 1-man corp, people will just dec me and fly in as many battleships as it takes to destroy my POS in highsec. And in low/null sec I probably wouldn't even get the chance to put one up.



Yes, making a corp does indeed open you up to war decs... but that's the price you pay for gaining all the extra benefits of making/being in a player corp.

Here's my advice;

- keep your head low; don't smack, aggravate, or gain the attention of the locals. Attention is bad.
- set yourself up in a place where there is little traffic. Or more. Make a judgement call on where you feel you'll draw the least amount of attention to yourself.
- make friends, preferably ones with "teeth" (even more preferable, ones that are "local"). If you get decced, have your friends dec the aggressor
- make deals. Can be done with friends (preferable) or mercs... just offer up your "services" if they defend you (ex. cheaper BPCs, cheaper ships, cheaper ammo, etc.)
- always put in the maximum amount of strontium you can into your POS. This will give you time to formulate a proper response.

But I digress...

Not supporting this. It's a blatant example of people paying RL money for an in-game advantage.

AMMAR PLEXBUYER
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:38:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Elina Tan
Originally by: Lady Spank

If you wan't private research slots there is nothing stopping you from putting up a POS somewhere.

I don't see how. If I form a 1-man corp, people will just dec me and fly in as many battleships as it takes to destroy my POS in highsec. And in low/null sec I probably wouldn't even get the chance to put one up.


Its an M.M.O. not single player.

But srsly - you can setup a POS in low with 2 man Corp - Been there, done that. Just make sure that:
1. its rarely used system
2. its within one JF jump from hi, or more preferably its connected directly to hi.
3. Moon have no worthy moon goo
4. Full stront Bay
5. get some friends, srsly, ill say it again ITS AN MMO

Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2011.07.18 22:45:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Elina Tan
CCP, you want to sell 'convenience'? Then allow me to buy premium Research Lab time; like available slots, x0.56 multipliers, etc.

I'd *certainly* pay Aurum for that!


In to advertise my alliance. Why pay AUR when you could pay good old ISK?

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.18 22:56:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Arushia
Originally by: Elina Tan
CCP, you want to sell 'convenience'? Then allow me to buy premium Research Lab time; like available slots, x0.56 multipliers, etc.

I'd *certainly* pay Aurum for that!


In to advertise my alliance. Why pay AUR when you could pay good old ISK?



Another good reason not to support your proposal. Entrepreneurship such as this fine corporations.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.19 13:33:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Elina Tan
Originally by: Lady Spank

If you wan't private research slots there is nothing stopping you from putting up a POS somewhere.

I don't see how. If I form a 1-man corp, people will just dec me and fly in as many battleships as it takes to destroy my POS in highsec. And in low/null sec I probably wouldn't even get the chance to put one up.


Yes. But you are daftly avoiding the fact that it IS an in game advantage for AUR, which is categorically WRONG and disavowed by CCP, (no less after rioting in Jita). Your attempts at switching your argument that this will provide a solution to the lack of RD slots in highsec are a nice diversionary red herring. But a valid problem that deserves a different thread and a different solution.


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.19 14:14:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren

Yes. But you are daftly avoiding the fact that it IS an in game advantage for AUR, which is categorically WRONG and disavowed by CCP, (no less after rioting in Jita). Your attempts at switching your argument that this will provide a solution to the lack of RD slots in highsec are a nice diversionary red herring. But a valid problem that deserves a different thread and a different solution.


For the record, there's nothing wrong with ingame advantage for Aurum per se; and that's not what the protests were all about. The upheaval was over 'pay-to-win' items; in other words, items that give you an imgame advantage you could not otherwise obtain. The so-called 'golden ammo.' Yet it seems now every time someone mentions Aurum + advantage in the same senstence, people immediately go ballistic. With the anti-Aurum sentiment going on now, I doubt people can really hear the difference, though.

What Elina proposes *does* give a player an ingame advantage; but not more so than buying a PLEX does. A simpler proposal, along the lines o'f 'R&D time for ISK' would probably have been better, and not have triggered the Aurum hysteria.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.19 17:11:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
A simpler proposal, along the lines o'f 'R&D time for ISK' would probably have been better, and not have triggered the Aurum hysteria.

It's still buying convenience. All this proposal is is a circumvention of the risks involved in putting up a POS.

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.20 01:16:00 - [13]
 

How about, you find a corp with a high sec pos, and join them and use that.

it's simple!

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.20 10:23:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei

What Elina proposes *does* give a player an ingame advantage; but not more so than buying a PLEX does. A simpler proposal, along the lines o'f 'R&D time for ISK' would probably have been better, and not have triggered the Aurum hysteria.


It isn't really the same. ISK is bought through PLEX which has a fundamental supply and demand basis which drives the price to equilibrium. The last thing that CCP wants is for people to be buying AUR to get game advantages, no matter to what degree. Why?

Because people who buy vanity items that have no game value are RICH people who are buying plex with ISK to get the aurum to buy these goods with.

People who would buy game enhancing items are more likely the hardcore gamers who are trying to maximize every single element of the game in order to give themselves an advantage. These same people are the kind of people who would pay real USD to get the plex to change to ISK or AUR to improve their game.

CCP intends the NEX to be used for the former not the latter. The former drains isk from the system, while the latter doesn't.

In summary, ISK for PLEX was invented for the sole reason to allow people to be able to play the game for free. Therefore they needed to sell plex for isk. But with that, came the double edged sword that you can get isk for plex (ain't economics a b***h?). I believe that CCP have been trying to mitigate this problem for a long time. Of course, they can't just stop plex sales, too many players depend on it to pay their subscription fees. So how better to than to create an isk sink for those with too much isk? (in buying AUR). It has a side effect of allowing people to buy PLEX just to buy AUR, but as long as AUR cannot be used for anything that poor people may want to use to improve their game it's okay. The instant this isn't true, then AUR sales will shoot up and you will have a flood of people buying plex with USD, which is not what CCP wants, nor is it what established players in the game want. It would be terrible to have 'yet another' way by which you can get better at the game by using RM.

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.07.29 09:27:00 - [15]
 

Elina Tan, you don't seem to get it. Paying real money should not give you ANY advantage in-game.

I can agree with PLEx being the one and only exception, because it's based only on in-game currency. That means the person who gave up the in-game currency gave up something that was definitely of value to them. Even if the only way for you to pay for more research slots was for someone else in game to sell them to you, it still wouldn't be fair because the person selling them might not even want them. But everyone can use more isk.

cyllan anassan
Amarr
DEUS EX 1
Posted - 2011.07.29 15:43:00 - [16]
 




actually if you have high standing with a npc corp you should get free research manufacturing spots


that is my view



 

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