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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:05:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Archbishop on 20/07/2011 04:06:02

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Archbishop
Archbishop...


Back from the dead to stalk me again. You could at least try to get something profitable to do this time.

On your post, little to say considering I have quoted him directly. I'm sure that if there is anything wrong with the statements I have posted he would not let me put words on his mouth.
The document is published at the official EC page of his project by the way.

Any more brilliant inputs from your stalking obsession? I'm sure we are all thrilled to know you are back with the same old same...

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



I was merely posting for your benefit Ms. Neferis. Doubt is not a good thing when the truth is so easily obtained. Upon reviewing the EC portal I do see you're a "contributor" there so I have a question. I noticed this comment posted there:

"Update: After meeting with Dr Tukoss and further information obtained, it is the understanding of the Ethics committee that Project Arek'Jalaan is in no conflict at the moment with our current base norms and it's ready for proceeding with the formation of an Ethical framework. Our priority will be concentrated now on Security and establishing rules of engament for the project expeditions. This concludes our first Project meeting. "

Perhaps posting the communications log from this conversation with Dr. Tukoss would clear things up. Given his penchant for "open communications" and transparency I'm sure he'd approve. The reason I suggest this is I noticed that "offical EC page" is editable by anyone thus even I could add something to that page (in fact I was able to do this if I wished) and likewise could edit anything anyone else placed there. Would my posting there mean it was "sanctioned" by Dr. Tukoss or "approved" by him? Of course not.

My posting is not an attempt to torment you it is an attempt to help you!

My dear Ms. Neferis... take the gift for what it is and cast aside all of the doubters that have posted here... or don't. I seek only the truth and in this attempt to aid you in trying to regain some semblence of credibility I seek only to do my duty for God to help those in need. While you have turned from the gates of paradise long ago never to return you still should aspire to do something positive with your life. Consider this my small gift to help you. Take the first step.

Archbishop

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:14:00 - [32]
 

I fully agree Dr. Tukoss started things off on very poor footing with such an egregiously political stunt as defecting under protection of a singularly partisan organization. Although I suspect he was manipulated in this regard, that is hardly comforting.

Regardless of the Doctor's failings, the Ethics Committee's work was exemplary and deserving of praise. Should any be left who have not read the document in question, here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan:_Ethics

The members took the discussion seriously, and though she may have seen this as an opportunity to rile people up with a capricious turn toward professionalism, it is difficult to object to the actual work product Revan Neferis presided over.

On the plus side, the committee has carried itself well through this, and it seems likely its good work may continue - despite ill-considered, poorly-substantiated, weakly-grounded attacks on its validity.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:23:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
I fully agree Dr. Tukoss started things off on very poor footing with such an egregiously political stunt as defecting under protection of a singularly partisan organization. Although I suspect he was manipulated in this regard, that is hardly comforting.

Regardless of the Doctor's failings, the Ethics Committee's work was exemplary and deserving of praise. Should any be left who have not read the document in question, here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan:_Ethics

The members took the discussion seriously, and though she may have seen this as an opportunity to rile people up with a capricious turn toward professionalism, it is difficult to object to the actual work product Revan Neferis presided over.

On the plus side, the committee has carried itself well through this, and it seems likely its good work may continue - despite ill-considered, poorly-substantiated, weakly-grounded attacks on its validity.


Indeed the actual "work" is well thought out. This is the primary reason I was attempting to aid Ms. Neferis by suggesting a way she could cast aside all the doubt others seem to have in these previous posts. I assumed given her frequently reported private conversations with Dr. Tukoss that she would have no issue having him comment thus silencing all the doubters here. I myself have no opinion either way as I care little for anyone who would defect TO the Minmatar Republic.

Archbishop

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:35:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/07/2011 04:42:32
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Today, around 03:30 am EVE I have taken the decision to resign as Lead of The EC Committee on the Arek'Jalaan Project conducted by Dr Hilen Tukoss.
After a private conversation -which us both agreed to remain private- ...



Originally by: Archbishop
Perhaps posting the communications log from this conversation with Dr. Tukoss would clear things up.


Rolling Eyes

Right...

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
I fully agree Dr. Tukoss started things off on very poor footing with such an egregiously political stunt as defecting under protection of a singularly partisan organization. Although I suspect he was manipulated in this regard, that is hardly comforting.

Regardless of the Doctor's failings, the Ethics Committee's work was exemplary and deserving of praise. Should any be left who have not read the document in question, here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan:_Ethics

The members took the discussion seriously, and though she may have seen this as an opportunity to rile people up with a capricious turn toward professionalism, it is difficult to object to the actual work product Revan Neferis presided over.

On the plus side, the committee has carried itself well through this, and it seems likely its good work may continue - despite ill-considered, poorly-substantiated, weakly-grounded attacks on its validity.


That's correct, although it's difficult to say if he was manipulated or just weak of mind in such regards. Dr Tukoss is least to say a very mysterious man and makes sure to keep the real core of his motivations still Unknown on its deepest premises.
I have a feeling that all will be revealed in due time, we must respect his privacy in such regards.

Again your comment is appreciated. Indeed the EC committee have been very active during its first week and we aimmed to achieve the best profit from our time. Let's hope it will continue this way.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.20 05:06:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Archbishop on 20/07/2011 05:10:16

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/07/2011 04:42:32
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Today, around 03:30 am EVE I have taken the decision to resign as Lead of The EC Committee on the Arek'Jalaan Project conducted by Dr Hilen Tukoss.
After a private conversation -which us both agreed to remain private- ...



Originally by: Archbishop
Perhaps posting the communications log from this conversation with Dr. Tukoss would clear things up.


Rolling Eyes

Right...



I merely suggested you post the communications log for the publically mentioned conversation with Dr. Tukoss - relating to this:

16/07 21:00 EVE Agenda: - Definition of basic concepts related to Ethics & Science. - Members Introduction. - Layout for Ethics Committee Presentation.
Members of the Committee in attendance: Revan Neferis, Literia, Telecom Tina, Darveses, Punx Evangeline, Nausea, Kybernetes Moros, Mirabi Tiane, Morwen Laagan, Morar Santee.
Result: Overview and Basic Norms were discussed, Minor adjustments proposed and applied as per updated page.
Addition: It is the understanding of the Committee that it's necessary by this point to have some questions answered by Dr Tukoss regarding the purpose of the project as well future applications of possible practical results.
Upon obtaining further information, more additions and changes may be made.
Update: After meeting with Dr Tukoss and further information obtained, it is the understanding of the Ethics committee that Project Arek'Jalaan is in no conflict at the moment with our current base norms and it's ready for proceeding with the formation of an Ethical framework. Our priority will be concentrated now on Security and establishing rules of engament for the project expeditions. This concludes our first Project meeting.


According to the logs of the official EC website (which you referred us all to) your "update" of the Dr. Tukoss meeting was posted a full day before your "private conversation".

Log Entry: 02:37, 17 July 2011 Revan Neferis (Talk | contribs) (5,255 bytes)

The "private conversation" you've mentioned above with your "right..." comment occurred a day after this.

[ 2011.07.18 03:45:38 ] Hilen Tukoss > I trust, in your explanations of this, that you will explain you did this of your own free will.
[ 2011.07.18 03:45:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > I do not wish you to leave the Arek'Jaalan project.


I was not suggesting you produce the log for your 7/18 conversation which you claim was held privately rather I suggested you post the log for the conversation with Dr Tukoss which you referenced with your "update" on 7/17 relating to the EC actions.

I would have assumed that Dr. Tukoss, given his desire for "open communication among capsuleers" would have no objection to producing that conversation log as it was clearly before you held your "private conversation" of 7/18? After all a Dr who claims to value open communications would hardly start an Ethics Committee then hold secret meetings... right? Thus my suggestion was made. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my suggestion I am only trying to help you salvage something from the sea of doubt whose waters seem to be lapping at your heels in this matter.

Archbishop

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 05:11:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Archbishop
I merely suggested you post the communications log for the publically mentioned conversation with Dr. Tukoss - relating to this:

16/07 21:00 EVE Agenda: - Definition of basic concepts related to Ethics & Science. - Members Introduction. - Layout for Ethics Committee Presentation.

Members of the Committee in attendance: Revan Neferis, Literia, Telecom Tina, Darveses, Punx Evangeline, Nausea, Kybernetes Moros, Mirabi Tiane, Morwen Laagan, Morar Santee.

Result: Overview and Basic Norms were discussed, Minor adjustments proposed and applied as per updated page.

Addition: It is the understanding of the Committee that it's necessary by this point to have some questions answered by Dr Tukoss regarding the purpose of the project as well future applications of possible practical results.

Upon obtaining further information, more additions and changes may be made.

Update: After meeting with Dr Tukoss and further information obtained, it is the understanding of the Ethics committee that Project Arek'Jalaan is in no conflict at the moment with our current base norms and it's ready for proceeding with the formation of an Ethical framework. Our priority will be concentrated now on Security and establishing rules of engament for the project expeditions. This concludes our first Project meeting.


According to the logs of the official EC website (which you referred us all to) your "update" of the Dr. Tukoss meeting was posted a full day before your "private conversation".

Log Entry: 02:37, 17 July 2011 Revan Neferis (Talk | contribs) (5,255 bytes)

Archbishop



Ah in that case yes. If Dr Tukoss approves the releasing of that particular log related to the meeting between EC commitee and him, He can publish the logs himself or give authorization to any of us who were there to publish it. All members have the logs.
It was questions and answers from us to him related to the project.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.20 05:15:00 - [37]
 


I'm glad you admit it wasn't a private conversation. Given that fact then it was a public conversation. As the Lead of the EC at the time clearly it's your station then to release that log to the public. If not perhaps you can tell us who the new Lead of the EC is? I look forward to reading it. It will be nice to see what the traitorous defector who ran to the home of terrorism has to say about "open communication".

Archbishop

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 06:14:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/07/2011 06:55:23
Originally by: Archbishop

I'm glad you admit it wasn't a private conversation. Given that fact then it was a public conversation. As the Lead of the EC at the time clearly it's your station then to release that log to the public.


I have no issues releasing it after authorization is given.
It's Dr Tukoss Project and I have no intentions to overstep the order and rules we agreed to follow.

For what is worth, the meeting was simply a series of questions and answers regarding to the project. Some questions were answered, others not.
Nothing extremelly special so don't hold your breath.

That said, I'm sure that if you contact any member on the participants list they would be glad to provide you a copy. The meeting was held inside the EC channel which is for public access, so all those wo were there at the time could partake the knowledge given.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.20 06:34:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Archbishop
I myself have no opinion either way as I care little for anyone who would defect TO the Minmatar Republic.


Had the Doctor begun this through his original employer and been publicly shut down, that would have created opportunities to build broader support. Given a stated desire to remain apolitical, the Sisters or even ORE would have represented more neutral sponsors. For that matter, is it pure coincidence the Doctor defected to Matari space just as Nation developed a strong new interest in Metropolis?

There is some potential for repeating the mistakes of history, here.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 07:09:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/07/2011 07:12:09
Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Originally by: Archbishop
I myself have no opinion either way as I care little for anyone who would defect TO the Minmatar Republic.


Had the Doctor begun this through his original employer and been publicly shut down, that would have created opportunities to build broader support. Given a stated desire to remain apolitical, the Sisters or even ORE would have represented more neutral sponsors. For that matter, is it pure coincidence the Doctor defected to Matari space just as Nation developed a strong new interest in Metropolis?

There is some potential for repeating the mistakes of history, here.



Interesting thoughts but again for what is worth, I believe answers will come in due time. One of the questions that was asked to him at the open public EC channel was the following:

Revan Neferis > And doctor a last question from my side at least
Hilen Tukoss > Yes?
Revan Neferis > what is your motivation to do all this? just help humankind to expand their knowledge? like.. just like this? nothing personal to be ganied?
Hilen Tukoss > There are questions I'd like answers to.
Hilen Tukoss > On many things I will be transparent, but for now, on this, I will ask that you respect my privacy. These are matters that will be expored in full view of the collective as with anything else, but until then, I ask you to leave that question alone.

So I believe that speculations at this point won't lead us very far. We must be a bit careful before associating random ideas.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.07.20 11:31:00 - [41]
 

Based on all of this, I would really like to see a full roster of the Ethics Circus...I mean committee. Should be interesting. And I cannot see why anyone involved would be opposed to full disclosure. I mean that is kind of what this whole thing is about right?

Hilen Tukoss
Caldari
Eifyr and Co.
Posted - 2011.07.20 11:42:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Hilen Tukoss on 21/07/2011 07:26:57

Mr. Archbishop,

There were various connection issues at the time of the meeting I am told, so we were left with multiple logs that I am yet to sort. We are a young collective still organizing various pieces of information, so we are not yet where we need to be in that regard. This is not because we practice transparency selectively, that is not our goal. New archivist staff are being sought as a matter of utmost priority, and will consume a large percentage of our starting capital. Some things may simply take time, however.

As to the matter you are seeking clarification on it is quite simple really, so I can cover it without the logs which will find their way up eventually.

A meeting was held between members of the EC.
A tentative ethical guideline was established.
I joined a few hours after the meeting, and spoke briefly about it.
Various questions remained which I did my best to answer. I stated that I would aim to read the logs of the meeting, and that I would add to the EC portal at a later date, which I have just done.

At that point Ms. Neferis asked if I was willing to sign off on the work so far, and use it as the foundation for future drafts. I forget the explicit phrasing. You've quoted it yourself, so do take a look.

Quite pleased with the foundations, as others have been, I said yes, thanked them for their work, and proceeded to use it as the springboard for today's latest draft.

A simple matter, as I say.


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 13:31:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/07/2011 15:26:31
Originally by: Hilen Tukoss
There were various connection issues at the time of the meeting I am told, so we were left with multiple logs that I am yet to sort. We are a young collective still organizing various pieces of information, so we are not yet where we need to be in that regard. This is not because we practice transparency selectively, that is not our goal. New archivist staff are being sought as a matter of utmost priority, and will consume a large percentage of our starting capital. Some things may simply take time, however.

As to the matter you are seeking clarification on it is quite simple really, so I can cover it without the logs which will find their way up eventually.

A meeting was held between members of the EC.
A tentative ethical guideline was established.
I joined a few hours after the meeting, and spoke briefly about it.
Various questions remained which I did my best to answer. I stated that I would aim to read the logs of the meeting, and that I would add to the EC portal at a later date, which I have just done.

At that point Ms. Neferis asked if I was willing to sign off on the work so far, and use it as the foundation for future drafts. I forget the explicit phrasing. You've quoted it yourself, so do take a look.

Quite pleased with the foundations, as others have been, I said yes, thanked them for their work, and proceeded to use it as the springboard for today's latest draft.

A simple matter, as I say.




As simple as it gets, I trust this will save me from having my mailbox overloaded everytime I return to my pod.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik




Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.20 15:27:00 - [44]
 

Indeed Ms. Neferis. Now you see that as I stated a simple posting would clear up all doubt that others appear to have had here. I am pleased you accepted my suggestion to have Dr Tukoss post here. The truth will always triumph in the end as God intends.

As for Dr Tukoss... A traitorous defector who steals manpower and the benefits of years of Caldari financial sponsorship is hardly one I would view as a suitable business associate. Any who would associate with such a man clearly lack a moral and ethical compass. I find the entire concept of someone who has done such a thing creating an "ethics" group to be completely hypocritical. After all, Dr Tukoss has not simply defected and stolen manpower by enticing others to defect. He has taken the benefit of years of Caldari scientific support both in monies and resources and taken them as well. The benefits and knowledge acquired thanks to the Caldari system of society... Stolen and given free of charge to their enemy.

Archbishop


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 16:29:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/07/2011 16:30:19
Originally by: Archbishop
Indeed Ms. Neferis. Now you see that as I stated a simple posting would clear up all doubt that others appear to have had here. I am pleased you accepted my suggestion to have Dr Tukoss post here. The truth will always triumph in the end as God intends.


Leave your God out of this. If the subject involves me, you can be sure that your God is the least factor present.


Originally by: Archbishop
I find the entire concept of someone who has done such a thing creating an "ethics" group to be completely hypocritical. After all, Dr Tukoss has not simply defected and stolen manpower by enticing others to defect. He has taken the benefit of years of Caldari scientific support both in monies and resources and taken them as well. The benefits and knowledge acquired thanks to the Caldari system of society... Stolen and given free of charge to their enemy.


As much as I hate to admit, I must say that the new definition on the EC page, although being much more "honest" than the previous "Apolical" claim, is now much more concerning.

From the EC official page:

"After much consideration, and given that the current Project Lead, H.Tukoss is a member of Eifyr & Co., a corporation within the Minmatar Republic, it no longer makes sense to claim Arek'Jaalan is an apolitical institution.

Better in describing our situation would be the term political pluralism; where no political idea is given primacy over any other and all are tolerated, if not afforded respect. While it is true that Eifyr & Co. provide sanctuary to Project Lead H.Tukoss, that arrangement is entirely apolitical, and will be vigorously defended to remain so by both Eifyr & Co. and Project Lead H.Tukoss."


I find this statement highly dubious in nature and open to several interpretations.
This said, I will also state here that in light of the last developments I have reconsidered the offered proposal to return to the EC as a consultant paid Advisor and also take roles on other divisions as previously intended.

As to your position, I highly advice the contrary: If you feel doubts about Dr Tukoss' intentions, join the Project and assume a role of responsibility on it. It's the best way to see it with your own eyes.
I'm sure that there are some capsuleers, like me, who are beyond corruption. There is no isk, no proposal, no flair who can buy us beyond our own will. Fame and glory we have achieved long ago and its not what motivates us either.
Those of us give our time and efforts to this Project in hopes of new discoveries of knowledge and science. We are not blind sheeps guided by the supposed star status of Dr Tukoss actual position.
I for one state that if this Project starts to hint any favoritism or advantages to the Minmatars for example, I'll be the first one to oppose it.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik








Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.20 16:46:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Archbishop

As for Dr Tukoss... A traitorous defector who steals manpower and the benefits of years of Caldari financial sponsorship is hardly one I would view as a suitable business associate. Any who would associate with such a man clearly lack a moral and ethical compass. I find the entire concept of someone who has done such a thing creating an "ethics" group to be completely hypocritical. After all, Dr Tukoss has not simply defected and stolen manpower by enticing others to defect. He has taken the benefit of years of Caldari scientific support both in monies and resources and taken them as well. The benefits and knowledge acquired thanks to the Caldari system of society... Stolen and given free of charge to their enemy.

Archbishop




So, now you're a mouthpiece working for the Heth regime, Archie?

Dr. Tukoss left the State seeking academic freedom and was offered asylum by Eyfur & Co. Period. This has nothing to do with politics. The man hasn't turned against the State, nor is he a traitor. He's a refugee. The fact that he's opened the doors to his project to all, regardless of race or political alignment, and will share the resultant research with all who ask, should say to any reasonable person that his intentions are above reproach.

But hey, don't let a few inconvenient things like facts get in the way of an opportunity to spread bit of propaganda.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.21 01:10:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
As much as I hate to admit, I must say that the new definition on the EC page, although being much more "honest" than the previous "Apolical" claim, is now much more concerning.

From the EC official page:

...

"Better in describing our situation would be the term political pluralism; where no political idea is given primacy over any other and all are tolerated, if not afforded respect."

...



This forces one to ask which political ideas are to be respected, and which are not. I suspect this implication is a consequence of translation, and not intent. To avoid further difficulty in that regard, I would suggest simply leaving it at "no political idea shall be given primacy over any other."

Left as is, the language implies the "faction hunt" described previously by Lady Neferis has already begun to materialize. The situation is bad enough with the needless alienation of many loyal to the State. Why add to that animosity before we have even determined a timeline for the ancient civilizations, let alone exposed some of their deeper mysteries?

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.21 06:19:00 - [48]
 

Dr. Tukoss changed the language quoted by Revan Neferis above, and the statement on political pluralism now reads: "Better in describing our current situation would be the term political pluralism; where no political idea is given primacy over any other."

The implication some ideas would not be given respect had indeed been unintentional. This change was a commendable gesture of good faith on the Doctor's part, for which the deserves credit, and serves as an indication the project is indeed meant to be as inclusive as practicable.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.21 13:17:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/07/2011 17:02:58
Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Dr. Tukoss changed the language quoted by Revan Neferis above, and the statement on political pluralism now reads: "Better in describing our current situation would be the term political pluralism; where no political idea is given primacy over any other."

The implication some ideas would not be given respect had indeed been unintentional. This change was a commendable gesture of good faith on the Doctor's part, for which the deserves credit, and serves as an indication the project is indeed meant to be as inclusive as practicable.



Indeed this change was most welcome. I'll continue to advise changes at the EC as needed in order to advance the project to its core objective which is to bring light to Scientific knowledge and discoveries still unknown to us.

This said to conclude my initial post, I have resumed my previous positions at the Project which - to those who might be interested - are as follow:

EC: Advisor
My main role here will be Adm of the VR channel and of course advising on changes as for example the one above.

SEC: Lead - role: Military Diplomacy
As it says, the fine art of agressive negociations when things gets closer or to the business of wars.

AR: Takmahl Studies
For obvious reasons.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani sabik

Nausea
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:40:00 - [50]
 

Everyone has their own agenda. Their own goals, objectives, allegiances, foes.

This project is calling on quite the disparate group of capsuleers, each which could otherwise be pulling in a completely different direction to one another, could be squabbling amongst themselves, could be doing their best to make sure their chosen 'hated enemy', had no part in it. This would cause the project to go no-where, or just pull itself apart...

How far could it go, then, if we all pull in the same direction?


Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Dr. Tukoss changed the language quoted by Revan Neferis above, and the statement on political pluralism now reads: "Better in describing our current situation would be the term political pluralism; where no political idea is given primacy over any other."

The implication some ideas would not be given respect had indeed been unintentional. This change was a commendable gesture of good faith on the Doctor's part, for which the deserves credit, and serves as an indication the project is indeed meant to be as inclusive as practicable.


Certainly a welcome clarification indeed. And a recognition that we all have our parts to play in this, big or small, to the best of our abilities. Each person in the role and situation that would suit them best, all working for the rather tangible goal of solving one of the more intricate puzzles of our age.

For me, much of it can be summed up in this simple phrase:

Quote:

The Arek'Jaalan Project expects a high level of discipline from its membership.



Hopefully we can hold onto that discipline, that focus, in whatever is to come.

- Nadia 'Nausea' Arath, Sani Sabik

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.21 17:27:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Archbishop

I'm glad you admit it wasn't a private conversation. Given that fact then it was a public conversation. As the Lead of the EC at the time clearly it's your station then to release that log to the public. If not perhaps you can tell us who the new Lead of the EC is? I look forward to reading it. It will be nice to see what the traitorous defector who ran to the home of terrorism has to say about "open communication".

Archbishop



The meeting's neocom channel was public, advanced notice provided and membership of the committee like all Arek'Jaalan departments is open to any capsuleer with a valid CONCORD pilots licence.

Your demands for the minutes of this meeting place none of the committee under any obligation.

However the Arek Jaalan is current recruiting archivists to attend to such bureaucratic issues. If you consider it important then perhaps you should step forward and bear some of this burden rather than trying to increase it.




Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.22 12:35:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Originally by: Archbishop

I'm glad you admit it wasn't a private conversation. Given that fact then it was a public conversation. As the Lead of the EC at the time clearly it's your station then to release that log to the public. If not perhaps you can tell us who the new Lead of the EC is? I look forward to reading it. It will be nice to see what the traitorous defector who ran to the home of terrorism has to say about "open communication".

Archbishop



The meeting's neocom channel was public, advanced notice provided and membership of the committee like all Arek'Jaalan departments is open to any capsuleer with a valid CONCORD pilots licence.

Your demands for the minutes of this meeting place none of the committee under any obligation.

However the Arek Jaalan is current recruiting archivists to attend to such bureaucratic issues. If you consider it important then perhaps you should step forward and bear some of this burden rather than trying to increase it.



Well said Mr. Mossari.
The Project is still searching for Archivists.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Maximum Kiely
Caldari
Kiely and Son Salvage
Posted - 2011.07.27 19:06:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Eran Mintor
I assure you that you should refrain from looking at any mirrors in the event you might give yourself a terrible fright, you old useless hag.


I'm not sure about that. I do not find Ms. Nefaris all that hard on the eyes.

She possess a certain intoxicating quality I can't quite put my finger on… but the tingle in my trousers is hard to deny.

Perhaps it is a school-marm sexual archetype thing?


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