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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.18 14:32:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/07/2011 06:59:56
To who it might concern.

Today, around 03:30 am EVE I have taken the decision to resign as Lead of The EC Committee on the Arek'Jalaan Project conducted by Dr Hilen Tukoss.
After a private conversation -which us both agreed to remain private- and just a few minutes after my departure, several comms around the cluster started to sprout a huge amount of rumors and nonsense regarding this decision spoken by unrelated third parties.

After a short sleep, I return to my comms to find several declarations of War made by Sani Sabik and Associates against alliances and corporation members of the Arek'jalaan Project with the justification varying from indignation, rage, or simply that my departure would give them the Green light to finally strike it.

So let me make a few things clear at this point:

1- From my private conversation with Dr Tukoss, I'll do what I was asked in trust and place on my public announcement this:

[ 2011.07.18 03:45:38 ] Hilen Tukoss > I trust, in your explanations of this, that you will explain you did this of your own free will.
[ 2011.07.18 03:45:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > I do not wish you to leave the Arek'Jaalan project.
[ 2011.07.18 03:47:11 ] Hilen Tukoss > In any case, I believe I have said all I can to dissuade you. If you do ever reconsider, please do let me know.
[ 2011.07.18 03:47:23 ] Hilen Tukoss > Rikaato, Ms. Neferis.

There were no forced removal as some of the false rumors sprout by those who wishes the project to fail seem to imply with public declarations like this:

[ 2011.07.18 04:13:03 ] Raze Valadeus > Knowing Madame Neferis, I am quite sure she is covering for being forcibly removed by "stepping down."

I have received a proposal which I am currently considering. Nothing else.

2- I ask the Alliances and Corporations of Sani Sabik, friends, allied and associates which issued wars against Arek'Jalaan other members alliances and corporations involved to contact me regarding this decision.
By stepping down the EC committee I have not given you green card to war.
Withdraw your war decs and Ill cover your concord fees. Arek'Jalaan is not Hostile to me until I say so.

3- My involvement with the Project is still ongoing, Dr Tukoss and I have discussed a few points to which we have yet to conclude. I ask you all some patience, when I have a formal statement to do regarding this conclusion, I'll make it public.

Any doubts feel free to contact me but do not spam my comms systems. I'm a busy capsuleer and will not entertain private requests which were already explained here or which are still under negociations.

I hope this clarifies for now.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.07.18 15:37:00 - [2]
 

You know, I'm personally shocked that you would willingly do this. It doesn't seem like your type of thing.

Though, on the other hand, if you did, thank you for understanding the importance of doing so for the integrity of the Ethics Committee.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.18 19:56:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Myxx
You know, I'm personally shocked that you would willingly do this. It doesn't seem like your type of thing.


In fact, it is.
Specially when it makes sense to me in view of something more profitable.

Originally by: Myxx
Though, on the other hand, if you did, thank you for understanding the importance of doing so for the integrity of the Ethics Committee.


The Integrity of the EC is no different because of my decision. Make no mistake about that.
And you're welcome.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.18 20:26:00 - [4]
 

I'm guessing you havent realized the irony of you being on an ethics committee....any ethics committee.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.18 20:44:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Eran Mintor
I'm guessing...


There lies the danger Mr. Mintor... The answer to your question is : Mirrors should reflect a little before throwing back images.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.18 20:55:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Eran Mintor
I'm guessing...


There lies the danger Mr. Mintor... The answer to your question is : Mirrors should reflect a little before throwing back images.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



I assure you that you should refrain from looking at any mirrors in the event you might give yourself a terrible fright, you old useless hag.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:03:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 18/07/2011 21:06:52
Originally by: Eran Mintor
I assure you that you should refrain from looking at any mirrors ....


Not really surprised that you missed the point and resorted to the new ghetto loyalist way to use IGS communications.
But you served me nonetheless with your first question and I'm sure that the more refined intellects did receive the message as I intended.
So for that, your contribution is still worth.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik


Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:27:00 - [8]
 

Thank you for being considerate, Ms. Neferis.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:32:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Aldrith Shutaq
Thank you for being considerate, Ms. Neferis.


Science and Knowledge, both are far too precious to be put behind distractions.
Let's hope New Eden will come to understand that.

You're welcome.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.18 22:05:00 - [10]
 

I'm sorry to see this. The document produced by the ethics committee was professional, and all members of the team deserve praise for their efforts. There is clearly confusion over the difference between professional ethics and morality by laypersons, and accommodating a lack of education does not strike me as a promising development for a scientific undertaking.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.18 22:13:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
I'm sorry to see this. The document produced by the ethics committee was professional, and all members of the team deserve praise for their efforts. There is clearly confusion over the difference between professional ethics and morality by laypersons, and accommodating a lack of education does not strike me as a promising development for a scientific undertaking.


I have produced the document posted for public perusal as the very basic guidelines to start, it was indeed agreed upon and approved by Dr Tukoss therefore it remains there even after my leave.
However I do have confidence that whoever takes the lead from now on will continue to do the work with the same professionalism.

Now, what you speak of is correct, there is indeed a few blurred lines being set between the meaning of professional Ethics x Morality and such things can cause a dangerous precedent to the future sucess of such joint venture.
Something that Dr Tukoss will hav to deal with sonner than later I suspect.
Time will tell.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik


Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:14:00 - [12]
 

I would prefer to have a Blood Raider to manage ethics than any of raised by Federation gallentean dunderheads.

D'Leh Mannuck
Posted - 2011.07.19 12:42:00 - [13]
 

Being ruthless in bussiness doesn't mean one lacks ethics.

Some people do seem to be confused in that regard. Those in general degrade to streetgutter talks and meaningless insults which serve them in no way and only weaken their point.

Those who feel the need to drop to a lingo which serves the underbelly of society only prove their intellect is insufficient to do a propper rebottle and are deluded enough to think their namecalling actually brings them other supporters than those who can barely tie their shoelaces.

I am glad the Sovereign took her time to clarify her position in this matter. It doesn't matter if you like her or not or if you like her ways to deal with others or bussiness or not. Atleast she doesn't hide behind a mask.
Also whatever happens she remains a Lady and replies in a tone a civilised person can grasp without distorting to street jibberjabber.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.19 14:58:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 19/07/2011 15:53:51
Originally by: Diana Kim
I would prefer to have a Blood Raider to manage ethics than any of raised by Federation gallentean dunderheads.


Lady, I know of many Blood Raiders who would fit this statement indeed.
This said, it's very sad in a way that Professional Ethics are confused with Morals and Values. Such distinguished concepts and yet used by the uneducated as base of arguments.
No wonder why the "criminal" organizations nowadays serves as home to many of the most trusted and brilliant minds of our capsuleer society and people don't stop to think how it came to that.
It's simple: Because we understand what Professional Ethics is and we do apply it with extreme efficiency.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik


Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.19 15:08:00 - [15]
 

Madame Neferis,

It is good that my statement was proven to be incorrect, it was indeed made with malice and in ignorance of the entire situation. It is good to see that I was wrong in this regard.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.19 16:09:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: D'Leh Mannuck
Being ruthless in bussiness doesn't mean one lacks ethics.

Some people do seem to be confused in that regard. Those in general degrade to streetgutter talks and meaningless insults which serve them in no way and only weaken their point.

Those who feel the need to drop to a lingo which serves the underbelly of society only prove their intellect is insufficient to do a propper rebottle and are deluded enough to think their namecalling actually brings them other supporters than those who can barely tie their shoelaces.

I am glad the Sovereign took her time to clarify her position in this matter. It doesn't matter if you like her or not or if you like her ways to deal with others or bussiness or not. Atleast she doesn't hide behind a mask.
Also whatever happens she remains a Lady and replies in a tone a civilised person can grasp without distorting to street jibberjabber.



Brilliant statement overall and most welcome.
Truly appreciated.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Madame Neferis,

It is good that my statement was proven to be incorrect, it was indeed made with malice and in ignorance of the entire situation. It is good to see that I was wrong in this regard.


It's common for infidels to be proven incorrect and make statements with malice and in ignorance.
It's rare for them to admit though, so for that, my respects.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

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Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.07.19 20:28:00 - [18]
 

I am surprised at your actions miss Neferis

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.07.19 20:38:00 - [19]
 

I must say, the first draft of the ethics committee's ROE looks quite good, moral, and ethical to me.

That being said... yeah, you on an ethic's committee, haha, all that.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.19 20:52:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ava Starfire
I must say, the first draft of the ethics committee's ROE looks quite good, moral, and ethical to me.


You must be mistaken, considering that I did the protocols there myself. This would mean a contradicting statement to your comment bellow.

Originally by: Ava Starfire
That being said... yeah, you on an ethic's committee, haha, all that.


Unless you are commiting the sin to confuse Professional Ethics with something else, as many already pointed here so I don't need to repeat it.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.07.19 21:17:00 - [21]
 

Sarcasm, I think, you need to detect some.

Do i hate you? Yep.

Did you do a good job of it here? Yep.

Fairly sure you knew that first bit.

D'Leh Mannuck
Posted - 2011.07.19 22:50:00 - [22]
 

In her dealings Miss Neferis might not stroke your soul, but her word has always been her bond.

Be it in ones advantage or demise.

So regardless what people claim or try to imply. There is no ethical contradiction in that matter.


Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:00:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: D'Leh Mannuck
So regardless what people claim or try to imply. There is no ethical contradiction in that matter.


Whether or not that is the case, the perception has been, is and would be that Pilot Neferis is singularly unsuitable to the role not just on account of the... incompatibility between her personal ethics and that of many of the rest of us, but also politically.

Recent events demonstrate clearly enough that the project is in a rather more precarious political position than might be desired. It's important in times like these to be non-controversial.

I think we can all imagine that the Republic would be unlikely to feel many warm thoughts about Pilot Neferis occupying the position she appointed herself to. It's politically expedient, therefore, that she step down, and I am definitely pleased that she has chosen to do so.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:35:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
It's important in times like these to be non-controversial.


Careful. Considering Dr Tukoss himself current situation and political mess, It could be a very delicate thing to imply that maybe Arek'Jalaan could do with a less controversial leader at this point.


Originally by: Stitcher
I think we can all imagine that the Republic would be unlikely to feel many warm thoughts about Pilot Neferis occupying the position she appointed herself to. It's politically expedient, therefore, that she step down, and I am definitely pleased that she has chosen to do so.


Arek'Jalaan project is apolitical therefore politics were not the reason of my resignation.
The current leader of the EC is a Cartel member so you again, should be careful into transforming this Project into a faction witch hunt where no one would be suitable to occupy positions needed for the project to move forward.
Doing so it's like opening what was once refered to a pandora box.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Ilustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.07.20 01:09:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Stitcher
It's important in times like these to be non-controversial.


Careful. Considering Dr Tukoss himself current situation and political mess, It could be a very delicate thing to imply that maybe Arek'Jalaan could do with a less controversial leader at this point.


Originally by: Stitcher
I think we can all imagine that the Republic would be unlikely to feel many warm thoughts about Pilot Neferis occupying the position she appointed herself to. It's politically expedient, therefore, that she step down, and I am definitely pleased that she has chosen to do so.


Arek'Jalaan project is apolitical therefore politics were not the reason of my resignation.
The current leader of the EC is a Cartel member so you again, should be careful into transforming this Project into a faction witch hunt where no one would be suitable to occupy positions needed for the project to move forward.
Doing so it's like opening what was once refered to a pandora box.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Ilustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik





At least the Cartel are enemies of Nation, whereas I find it hard to believe you don't admire what Kuvakei does.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 01:15:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 20/07/2011 01:15:39
Originally by: Eran Mintor
At least the Cartel are enemies of Nation, whereas I find it hard to believe you don't admire what Kuvakei does.


On our last exchange of words, Mr Kuvakei said to me "paint the stars crimson m'dear".
A very charming man, I must admit.

Although, I'm afraid that I don't admire him more than others involved in this Project too, Sansha Loyalists even involved as Leaders of security for example and contributors of several departments including... EC as well.
As you can see, it's a very eccletic and interesting Project Mr with many potentials.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:19:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis

The current leader of the EC is a Cartel member so you again, should be careful into transforming this Project into a faction witch hunt where no one would be suitable to occupy positions needed for the project to move forward.
Doing so it's like opening what was once refered to a pandora box.



I believe the box has already been opened. There will inevitably be at least two camps at this point, each quite dismissive of the other's merits.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:45:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Gosakumori Noh
Originally by: Revan Neferis

The current leader of the EC is a Cartel member so you again, should be careful into transforming this Project into a faction witch hunt where no one would be suitable to occupy positions needed for the project to move forward.
Doing so it's like opening what was once refered to a pandora box.



I believe the box has already been opened. There will inevitably be at least two camps at this point, each quite dismissive of the other's merits.


You are correct.
For what is worth, I have received a spamm of messages asking me to reconsider my resignation and return to lead of EC, which is something I won't do. As already stated by someone else here, I'm bound by my Word alone, been like this for several years and will continue to be so.
I am however, as explained before, considering other options with Dr Tukoss and I hope that the conclusion of this case will at least close the box once again for the progress of the Project.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.20 03:13:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis

For what is worth, I have received a spamm of messages asking me to reconsider my resignation and return to lead of EC, which is something I won't do. As already stated by someone else here, I'm bound by my Word alone, been like this for several years and will continue to be so.
I am however, as explained before, considering other options with Dr Tukoss and I hope that the conclusion of this case will at least close the box once again for the progress of the Project.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



I have little interest in a defecting doctor who apparently loves the Minmatar people. Still as Dr. Tukoss has commented about open communication I'd like to see him exercise that value which he claims to hold so dear by confirming the statements of Ms. Neferis. Having the Dr. comment on the EC and it's official standing within the Arek'Jalaan project would clear up the questions many apparently have about it's credibility. Finally as Ms. Neferis has claimed to have created a document with Dr. Tukoss's approval it would be helpful if the Dr. confirmed this as such a confirmation would bestow upon the document credibility it clearly doesn't have now. So many things asserted by someone with such a dodgy past, known for attention seeking behavior and grandiose delusions, obviously people here have questions.

Indeed the words of Dr. Tukoss... spoken here by himself... well they would certainly put an end to the doubts so many appear to have.

Archbishop

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.07.20 03:20:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Archbishop
Archbishop...


Back from the dead to stalk me again. You could at least try to get something profitable to do this time.

On your post, little to say considering I have quoted him directly. I'm sure that if there is anything wrong with the statements I have posted he would not let me put words on his mouth.
The document is published at the official EC page of his project by the way.

Any more brilliant inputs from your stalking obsession? I'm sure we are all thrilled to know you are back with the same old same...

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik


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