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H3LP M3
Posted - 2011.07.18 06:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: H3LP M3 on 18/07/2011 06:20:48
I started this thread to see if anyone out there has it worse off than I am ...
My hp cq60-215dx sucks at playing any game .....its just crap
problem is overheating , apparently the 8200m g have problems with heat and the
laptop has crappy ventilation on top of that. Sometimes my GPU can get up to 110c
when playing eve, effectively cutting my fps in half to 10-8 fps . I have even bought a
good cooler for it , didn't do much at all.....so I have to put everything on lowest
settings and minimize the game often to cool it off . This sucks,I cant afford
another computer but I don't want to stop playing eve...I guess I will use this until
it dies off 1 day from all the overheating ..sometimes I rather just take a baseball
bat to this thing and be done with it!Twisted Evil

never buy hp !
don't buy laptops for gaming !(duh)I wanna slap myself for buying this crap!
don't waste your money on cheap entry lvl computers ..

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.18 06:57:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: H3LP M3
don't buy laptops for gaming !(duh)

Indeed.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.18 09:13:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: H3LP M3

don't buy laptops for gaming !(duh)I wanna slap myself for buying this crap!
don't waste your money on cheap entry lvl computers ..



I think you mean "don't buy crappy laptops for gaming". There are a number of great gaming laptops out there that would rock Eve (Alienware's line comes to mind).

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.18 09:56:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 18/07/2011 09:56:20
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: H3LP M3
don't buy laptops for gaming !(duh)

Indeed.


Pfft, been gaming on laptops for a few years now, works fine if you get a decent one. And it is a lot easier to use if you frequently move around.

Desktops and laptops are not all thst different now a days, only real concern for the laptops is price and heat.

That said, a desktop do offer more flexibility and is a lot easier to expand on.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.18 15:44:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 18/07/2011 15:47:09
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Desktops and laptops are not all thst different now a days, only real concern for the laptops is price and heat.

Price, performance, battery life and heat, you mean ?
Also, potentially, much harder to repair in case anything with it gets broken (and you can't send just the defective part in for repair while you use a cheaper substitute), and related to that, almost impossible to upgrade ?

A "gaming laptop" that performs roughly as well as a 700$ gaming-oriented desktop will cost you upwards of 1500$, maybe even close to 2000$ if you go "brand name" for it.
The best (and most expensive) laptop graphics cards you can buy nowadays costs roughly as much as a top-tier desktop card, but have the actual performance of a desktop card 3-4 tiers lower that costs at best a third of that price. You can't get a strong enough performance out of a dual-GPU laptop config to match a single-card high-end desktop config even if you had money to burn. And you don't even have to get the absolute best single desktop card to do that.
Gaming laptops have pretty pathetic battery life when in actual full-on gaming mode, so you won't actually DO much high-end gaming except when plugged into a wall socket.
Heat can occasionally be an issue even for an air-cooled desktop, let alone a laptop, where it's actually a huge problem since you combine compact build with weak airflow but huge power usage. And you really don't want any of that actually sitting on your lap, since it can literally burn you.

...

If you just have to be on the road almost all the time, and you REALLY want to play games while not at home, sure, a laptop that can handle gaming is a nice thing to have.
So if you have too much money and no idea what to spend it on, go ahead, get a laptop for gaming instead of a desktop.

But if you have a fairly regular routine (mostly either at home or work, not THAT much on the road), sure, why not, maybe do get yourself a cheap laptop too, one that can do browsing, HD movies and casual games (since that's what you'll do on it most of the time anyway), but use a desktop for gaming - and those two machines combined will still be noticeably cheaper in total than a gaming laptop, and the desktop will perform better.

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:53:00 - [6]
 

Why not upgrade? Seems like a lot of folks that play eve are cheap. Granted some people just dont have the money, but like I said others do, and thus you're being cheap.

Kambiri Zoltana
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.18 20:48:00 - [7]
 

What everyone seems to be forgetting is the mobility factor.

I have a 19 inch laptop, I have to admit its a fairly sized one, weighing around 6 kilo's. But you can take it everywhere with you.

If the weather is nice, I put it outside on a table, play with it whilst sitting in the sun. Went to the fanfest this year, eh voila, laptop handy to play and or do other stuff. Show the foto's you made in the day on the lappy.

Play a blueray movie whilst aying in bed... Its just way more then just a gaming rig, you get it to be mobile, place it anywhere u like and being a multimedia experience.

My machine was more expensive then the standard desktop pc, but in return I got a workhorse I can deploy anywhere, and money for me wasnt the issue.

In march 2010, I bought a

Acer Aspire 8942G
i5 processor
6 gigs
mobile hd 5850 Radeon

Price was 1300 euros, considered a top-end laptop, plays the witcher 2 max settings :)

What Akita T also fails to mention is that, people who own dekstop tower, usualy will also have laptop (not high end) or a tablet pc to get the same mobility, then I am talking about mobile internet everywhere. Or atleast that tends to be the general idea.

The time where people had 1 computer, is over, people have dekstop/tablet pc/smartphone. SO even if they opt for a desktop pc, you'll still see them spending the same ammount of money on those other things.

Yoa Loother
Posted - 2011.07.19 05:57:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kambiri Zoltana
The time where people had 1 computer, is over, people have dekstop/tablet pc/smartphone. SO even if they opt for a desktop pc, you'll still see them spending the same ammount of money on those other things.
Yeah.
Also the modular setup and theoretical upgrade-ability of the desktop is no real plus anymore either.

If something fries odds are the rest is broken too. And upgrading just one part usually makes no sense as the older parts are just holding back the new one.

The time of the good old desktop/tower is seriously coming to an end, I fear. Sad

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.19 07:58:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 18/07/2011 15:47:09
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Desktops and laptops are not all thst different now a days, only real concern for the laptops is price and heat.

Price, performance, battery life and heat, you mean ?
Also, potentially, much harder to repair in case anything with it gets broken (and you can't send just the defective part in for repair while you use a cheaper substitute), and related to that, almost impossible to upgrade ?

A "gaming laptop" that performs roughly as well as a 700$ gaming-oriented desktop will cost you upwards of 1500$, maybe even close to 2000$ if you go "brand name" for it.
The best (and most expensive) laptop graphics cards you can buy nowadays costs roughly as much as a top-tier desktop card, but have the actual performance of a desktop card 3-4 tiers lower that costs at best a third of that price. You can't get a strong enough performance out of a dual-GPU laptop config to match a single-card high-end desktop config even if you had money to burn. And you don't even have to get the absolute best single desktop card to do that.
Gaming laptops have pretty pathetic battery life when in actual full-on gaming mode, so you won't actually DO much high-end gaming except when plugged into a wall socket.
Heat can occasionally be an issue even for an air-cooled desktop, let alone a laptop, where it's actually a huge problem since you combine compact build with weak airflow but huge power usage. And you really don't want any of that actually sitting on your lap, since it can literally burn you.

...

If you just have to be on the road almost all the time, and you REALLY want to play games while not at home, sure, a laptop that can handle gaming is a nice thing to have.
So if you have too much money and no idea what to spend it on, go ahead, get a laptop for gaming instead of a desktop.

But if you have a fairly regular routine (mostly either at home or work, not THAT much on the road), sure, why not, maybe do get yourself a cheap laptop too, one that can do browsing, HD movies and casual games (since that's what you'll do on it most of the time anyway), but use a desktop for gaming - and those two machines combined will still be noticeably cheaper in total than a gaming laptop, and the desktop will perform better.



Yeah.... as I said: except heat, price, versatiliy, and exapandability...

As for the battery time, my laptop sure beats my desktop thouhg ;). Besides, if you intend to game on battery alone, then you simply do not know what you are doing (unless you just want very simple casual games on a trip). My laptop is for mobility, not to play in the woods. Its great if you spend any ammount of time in hotell rooms when out travelling with work or such. Yes, it does cost a bit more, but for what it gives, it can be worth it. (Not to mention it is very easy to put away if desired)

Actually I got both a desktop and a laptop (my desktop was actually more expencive then my laptop, but then again I wanted a very good machine).

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.19 10:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/07/2011 11:31:06

Originally by: Kambiri Zoltana
What Akita T also fails to mention is that, people who own dekstop tower, usualy will also have laptop (not high end) or a tablet pc to get the same mobility, then I am talking about mobile internet everywhere. Or atleast that tends to be the general idea.

Ahem ?
Originally by: Akita T
[...] a cheap laptop too, one that can do browsing, HD movies and casual games (since that's what you'll do on it most of the time anyway), but use a desktop for gaming - and those two machines combined will still be noticeably cheaper in total than a gaming laptop, and the desktop will perform better.

So what was that then ?

Originally by: Yoa Loother
the modular setup and theoretical upgrade-ability of the desktop is no real plus anymore either.
If something fries odds are the rest is broken too. And upgrading just one part usually makes no sense as the older parts are just holding back the new one.
The time of the good old desktop/tower is seriously coming to an end, I fear. Sad

My current motherboard/CPU combo (which were not "top of the line" when purchased either) could handle a more powerful video card before becoming actual bottlenecks - and I fully do intend to get a better video card than my current GTX 460 in a year or two - probably get a 570 or a 580 by the time the 6xx have been out for a while or even when 7xx are starting to come out.
And probably I'll get 8 GB of RAM instead of the 4 GB I'm currently using (don't really need more right now).

On my previous (dirt-cheap) machine, I had an even cheaper passively-colled 8500 GT (it regularly went over 100C during summer time) which croaked from the heat after about 2 years of usage, and I replaced it with the cheapest locally-purchased vidcard that would do what I needed (a Radeon HD 4350) the very next day, while I was researching the bits and pieces I wanted to order for my next machine (the one I am currently using), which cam in a week later.
I had previously changed the RAM twice (from slow 1 GB to slow 2 GB and then faster 4 GB) and changed the HDD (well, added two new ones, actually).

I pondered more than once the idea of buying a game-able laptop for myself too (there are three of them in the house, one finally croaked but it was so old hardly anybody was using it anymore, and the other two are not very good for gaming, yet they are borderline manageable), but it always seemed like a waste of money to ME since *I* was seldom going out of the house long enough to justify spending enough cash on a machine that could give me even half of the power of my desktop only to use it maybe 20 days per year tops (probably not even 5 days per year on average) - since I would not use it when I had access to a similarly-powerful (or better) desktop.


P.S. If you haven't noticed, I am a stingy, scroogy, penny-pinching type of person, at least when it comes to new acquisitions, and it's NOT about the amount of spending money I have available (I hate to consume a sizeable portion of my budget for anything).
I dislike having to spend noticeably more than the minimum amount necessary to get the vast majority of the functionality I desire, and I hate it even more to have to spend some more too soon afterwards.
I always try to maximize the (performance/price) term of any purchase I want to make, while getting only a little bit more performance than I am likely to need in the immediate future.
Yes, this means (as far as computer hardware goes) that I am usually at least two, maybe three steps behind "cutting edge" (usually getting "second best of previous generation" for most things), and I get to upgrade only when I'm many more steps behind the top (so when my "2nd generation" new purchase becomes "4th generation" or even the 5th).

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:30:00 - [11]
 

My work means I travel, so gaming on a laptop is all I've known for the last 6 years. And I do it on a Mac too. >:)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:34:00 - [12]
 

Of course, if your work implies heavy-duty travel, you don't really have much of a choice.
Lugging even a compact box plus monitor with you would be borderline impossible, or at least highly impractical.
That is one of the very few cases where "getting a gaming laptop" is not only justified, but sadly, the best option.

On the other hand, how many people really hold that type of job for long ?

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:40:00 - [13]
 

In my industry(airline)? 40+ years. At my company? Some are still at it 40 years later, none of those could be considered gamers I'm fairly confident in saying. True, my gaming time has suffered tremendously both because I wasn't willing to keep buying custom built Sager's (waste of money and too ****ing heavy / delicate) and I've had to sacrifice what I would play, but I've recently bootcamped my MBP and added windows 7 so I'm going to hopefully start playing more stuff soon.

I would agree with you though. "Get a gaming laptop" doesn't really address the issue. Portable gaming rigs are:

expensive
extremely delicate
suck ass in terms of battery life
are loud
are also crazy heavy
get hot enough to melt through the floor (your legs then the floor, or the table it's sitting on, your legs, and THEN the floor)


 

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