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Otawo
Posted - 2011.07.18 05:11:00 - [1]
 

This is something that has happened to 2 of my toons in 4 different corporations already since I came back a couple of days ago. People will War Dec highsec mining lowbie corporations hoping to either get isk or get some easy kills.

There should be some kind of change to the War Dec system. Here is what I propose:

1. Make it so that in order for combat to occur both sides have to declare.

2. Double the amount it costs to declare.

3. Both sides pay above amount, half the ISK goes in to a fund with the winner getting that ISK.

4. You win by causing the other side to surrender or after 1 week have less loses then the other side.

Please this is a serious discussion, treat it as such. If you are a forum Troll please find a different thread to troll. However if you have something that you feel should be added or changed please reply.

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.07.18 10:15:00 - [2]
 

You will find all these things and more in HKO

Thomasale
Posted - 2011.07.18 13:19:00 - [3]
 

Maybe you should find another game

Otawo
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:31:00 - [4]
 

Gets out Troll Bashing hammer and smashes troll get out your not wanted here.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:36:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Otawo
Gets out Troll Bashing hammer and smashes troll get out your not wanted here.


NO U!

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:00:00 - [6]
 

This topic has literally been beaten to death. Please read those threads to find out what you've missed instead of making new ones.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:30:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Otawo
toons

Please this is a serious discussion,


Not using that word it isn't.

Darryl Ward
Posted - 2011.07.18 20:35:00 - [8]
 

This game IS a PvP MMO. Non-consensual combat is not only to be expected, it is more common. This doesn't make griefers any less lame, but it's true.

I've realized that Eve war is not war in any sense of the word. Griefers win if they derive pleasure in your misery; that's really it. It's not war in an economic or political sense at all.

Otawo
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:08:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lykouleon
This topic has literally been beaten to death. Please read those threads to find out what you've missed instead of making new ones.


If it has been beaten to death then it is obviously an issue that needs to be rectified, and has as of yet not been.

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:19:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Otawo
Originally by: Lykouleon
This topic has literally been beaten to death. Please read those threads to find out what you've missed instead of making new ones.


If it has been beaten to death then it is obviously an issue that needs to be rectified, and has as of yet not been.


The issue is that you haven't read the other threads and haven't realized that its not a problem at all.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.07.19 20:27:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Otawo
Originally by: Lykouleon
This topic has literally been beaten to death. Please read those threads to find out what you've missed instead of making new ones.


If it has been beaten to death then it is obviously an issue that needs to be rectified, and has as of yet not been.


No the issue has been brought up repeatedly by one or two random alt rejects, in which the community turned up in mass, and had been beaten it like a baby seal.

Thus,it has been beaten to death.

Otawo
Posted - 2011.07.21 23:10:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: Otawo
Originally by: Lykouleon
This topic has literally been beaten to death. Please read those threads to find out what you've missed instead of making new ones.


If it has been beaten to death then it is obviously an issue that needs to be rectified, and has as of yet not been.


No the issue has been brought up repeatedly by one or two random alt rejects, in which the community turned up in mass, and had been beaten it like a baby seal.

Thus,it has been beaten to death.


1. If an issue is brought up it should be discussed baised on merit not ignorance, or bias.

2. This is my main account and I only have 1 toon per account.

3. I have been in a couple of Corps since coming back from my vacation, and each one has been War Deced because people saw us mining, and or in lowbie ships and decided that we where easy targets, so instead of trying to pick a fight with someone who can actually handle them they pick newbie corps to pad thier stats with easy kills. This is not PVP it is griefing.

If this isn't an issue to you it is to the new blood that this game needs to keep it from becoming the next Star Wars Galaxies. I can rember a time when CCP proudly displayed the number of active accounts they have on the home page, I haven't seen it there for a while. Granted the number of signed in is displayed but that number I am sure is still displayed because it hasn't decreased as much. But if this issue doesn't get fixed SWTOR is coming soon.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.07.22 00:02:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Baaldor on 22/07/2011 00:03:46
Originally by: Otawo
1. If an issue is brought up it should be discussed baised on merit not ignorance, or bias.


No,it has been presented in a intellectually dishonest, ignorant,self centered point of view.

Originally by: Otawo
2. This is my main account and I only have 1 toon per account.


Congratulations....and?

And Christ stop using "Toon" if you want to be taken seriously.

Originally by: Otawo
3. I have been in a couple of Corps since coming back from my vacation, and each one has been War Deced because people saw us mining, and or in lowbie ships and decided that we where easy targets, so instead of trying to pick a fight with someone who can actually handle them they pick newbie corps to pad thier stats with easy kills. This is not PVP it is griefing.


I am in a one man corp, so what.

Learn what Griefing is, apparently you have no clue as it pertains to this game.

Originally by: Otawo
If this isn't an issue to you it is to the new blood that this game needs to keep it from becoming the next Star Wars Galaxies. I can rember a time when CCP proudly displayed the number of active accounts they have on the home page, I haven't seen it there for a while. Granted the number of signed in is displayed but that number I am sure is still displayed because it hasn't decreased as much. But if this issue doesn't get fixed SWTOR is coming soon.


Really? this has been this way from the start and Eve has not died, but has grown.


ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.07.22 00:14:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Otawo

1. If an issue is brought up it should be discussed baised on merit not ignorance, or bias.



Newsflash... issues only have merit if people give it merit. If people believe it does not have this, either due to ignorance or bias, then it will not have any (it works like this in RL too... you think people become friends or hire you for a job based on merit alone?).

You are posting on a forum, open for all players to see, and presenting that a change is needed. You need to convince us.


Quote:

3. I have been in a couple of Corps since coming back from my vacation, and each one has been War Deced because people saw us mining, and or in lowbie ships and decided that we where easy targets, so instead of trying to pick a fight with someone who can actually handle them they pick newbie corps to pad thier stats with easy kills. This is not PVP it is griefing.


Not according to CCP. Unless someone (or a group of people) actively hunts you down over a prolonged period of time and follows you no matter where you go in the game for no other reason than "just because," they are not "griefing."

No... you are at war. Stop being a victim, get into cheap T1 frigates/cruisers with a bunch of friends, and take the fight to them.

Originally by: Otawo

If this isn't an issue to you it is to the new blood that this game needs to keep it from becoming the next Star Wars Galaxies. I can rember a time when CCP proudly displayed the number of active accounts they have on the home page, I haven't seen it there for a while. Granted the number of signed in is displayed but that number I am sure is still displayed because it hasn't decreased as much. But if this issue doesn't get fixed SWTOR is coming soon.


Not every game is for every person. Some people like the cutthroat "you-are-never-safe-anywhere" ethos of EVE, some prefer a more chill, laid back, consensual atmosphere where they can be left alone and unmolested unless, and only unless, they voluntarily choose otherwise. To each their own.
The problems start when people from one group or the other venture into the others' "territory" and then claim "things need to change because my type of people want enjoyment too." And it just doesn't work like that because the two ideas ("cutthroat" vs. "consensual only") are more or less mutually exclusive.

Dutarro
Matari Munitions
The Fendahlian Collective
Posted - 2011.07.22 13:11:00 - [15]
 


Quote:
1. Make it so that in order for combat to occur both sides have to declare.


This goes too far, essentially getting rid of war decs altogether. It would prevent, for example, a PvE missioning corp from declaring war on an opposing corp of regular ninja salvagers.

Quote:
2. Double the amount it costs to declare.


Good idea, but more than double for wars against a non-allied corp, say 20m/week.

Quote:
3. Both sides pay above amount, half the ISK goes in to a fund with the winner getting that ISK.

4. You win by causing the other side to surrender or after 1 week have less loses then the other side.


It already works this way (sort of), at least when the aggressor is losing. Aggressors who attack a 'carebear' corp/alliance looking for easy kills, but end up losing ships instead, almost always let the war expire, or better yet retract it ASAP.

The end that needs fixing is when the defending corp is losing; as it stands the war can drag on forever, no matter how much the defenders lose. You can pay ransom to the aggressors to leave you alone, but when word gets out that you paid up, a flurry of new dec'ers will likely pounce on you. Worse yet, the original aggressor could break his word and keep the war going, even after you pay.

Your proposal is a sort of enforceable war ransom system, which is interesting. That kind of idea might work, if it somehow deters new aggressors from jumping on a target after they pay. Maybe a corp that pays ransom costs more to attack, for a certain period of time.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.22 17:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Otawo
1. If an issue is brought up it should be discussed baised on merit not ignorance, or bias.

This is a non-issue and does not have merit. I am not biased. I am in an industry-focused corp. War Decs are core to preventing Eve from being Hello Kitty Online or worse, WoW.

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain

Posted - 2011.07.22 18:54:00 - [17]
 

i agree you shouldn't be able to leave alliance or corp while in war

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.22 22:13:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Otawo
Gets out Troll Bashing hammer and smashes troll get out your not wanted here.

ugh...roleplayers are the worst

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.07.23 02:21:00 - [19]
 

@OP you just have to learn how to fly a Rifter. I know it's a big SP leap for some of us, but it's a worthwhile trick for those of us in mining corporations. (or anyone really, for that matter)

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.07.26 14:16:00 - [20]
 

So OP did this thread turn out the way you wanted or have u applied to hello Kitty online?


Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.07.26 14:55:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Otawo
Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: Otawo
Originally by: Lykouleon
This topic has literally been beaten to death. Please read those threads to find out what you've missed instead of making new ones.


If it has been beaten to death then it is obviously an issue that needs to be rectified, and has as of yet not been.


No the issue has been brought up repeatedly by one or two random alt rejects, in which the community turned up in mass, and had been beaten it like a baby seal.

Thus,it has been beaten to death.


1. If an issue is brought up it should be discussed baised on merit not ignorance, or bias.

2. This is my main account and I only have 1 toon per account.

3. I have been in a couple of Corps since coming back from my vacation, and each one has been War Deced because people saw us mining, and or in lowbie ships and decided that we where easy targets, so instead of trying to pick a fight with someone who can actually handle them they pick newbie corps to pad thier stats with easy kills. This is not PVP it is griefing.

If this isn't an issue to you it is to the new blood that this game needs to keep it from becoming the next Star Wars Galaxies. I can rember a time when CCP proudly displayed the number of active accounts they have on the home page, I haven't seen it there for a while. Granted the number of signed in is displayed but that number I am sure is still displayed because it hasn't decreased as much. But if this issue doesn't get fixed SWTOR is coming soon.


1. Your ignorance in this matter is the problem. And your bias towards you not wanting to be war decced is the problem. If you declare war on someone they don't get to choose if it is valid or not. You declared it...period.

2. Who cares.

3. If you don't want to be war decced then don't join a player corp. That simple. Stay in the newbie corp and you can't be war decced. Don't like that answer? Too bad. That is how the game has always been...that is how the players as a whole want it. YOU...are a minority and probably one of the very very few that think the way you do.

In closing...there is no probblem except your misguided belief that something should change because you don't like it. Not everybody agrees with you. As far as I can tell nobody that has posted to this thread as of yet has agreed with you.

David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.27 18:22:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: David Fightmaster on 27/07/2011 18:22:59
Originally by: Ya Huei
You will find all these things and more in HKO



LMAO. Who hasn't been griefed from other corps? Cry me a river and go play WOW and complain to them about unfairness. Better yet girlie, go play HKO.


 

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