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Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:24:00 - [1]
 

Especially after CCP Soundwave's recent grandstanding about it being too easy in EVE to make money, I say it's time to remove T2 BPO's from the game. The people who own them have been able to outrageously exploit these ISK printing machines for years now, and it needs to stop. I therefore propose the following:

-- Remove all T2 BPO's from game; which is to say, convert them to T2 BPC's, with 100 licensed runs on them. No refund, or any other kind of compensation, shall be given to their owners. CCP already made them trillionaires overnight when they gave them these ISK printing presses. It's time for them to get off their lazy asses, and work for a living, like everyone else.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:26:00 - [2]
 

No.

Go read one of the billion threads on the topic that have a majority consensus that they are in line with invention in terms of profitability.

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:52:00 - [3]
 

Agreed. I say Ranka Mei should buy a bunch of PLEXs in order to reimburse the current owners so we can finally get rid of this atrocity.

rootimus maximus
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.17 21:10:00 - [4]
 

In before Akita T unloads on the OP as to why he's wrong.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.17 22:40:00 - [5]
 

This post is bad, and you should feel bad.

EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
Posted - 2011.07.17 22:43:00 - [6]
 

If the profit from these is comparable to invention then what is the problem with removing them?

Or what is the problem with releasing more?

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.17 22:58:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: EdwardNardella
If the profit from these is comparable to invention then what is the problem with removing them?

Or what is the problem with releasing more?


It's unnecessary.

EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
Posted - 2011.07.18 02:41:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
It's unnecessary.

It would end these threads!
There is nothing you can do to change the common perception that T2 BPOs are unfair. When people find out that a privileged few have something they cannot they have some anger and frustration. Eliminating T2 BPOs will make thousands of players who are less unhappy.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.18 03:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: EdwardNardella
Originally by: Lady Spank
It's unnecessary.

It would end these threads!
There is nothing you can do to change the common perception that T2 BPOs are unfair. When people find out that a privileged few have something they cannot they have some anger and frustration. Eliminating T2 BPOs will make thousands of players who are less unhappy.

I'm not even into industry myself, but it's the idea of it. It's like P2W items -- except you didn't have to pay for it with Aurum, but CCP just gave them to you. It's just weird; such items simply shouldn't exist in game.

And to those who claim there's not much difference in profit to be had between T1 and T2 BPO's, a T2 Hulk BPO currently goes for ca. 60-100 bil. I guess it costs that much because it's not much better than just inventing a Hulk with regular T1 BPO's, right? /sarcasm. I'm often amazed how people can say these things with a straight face.

Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov
The Eleusinian Mystery Cult
Posted - 2011.07.18 03:44:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov on 18/07/2011 03:46:49
Signed.

Last Star Fighter
Posted - 2011.07.18 05:08:00 - [11]
 

I AM ALWAYS FOR REMOVING ANYTHING THAT IS A STATIC ISK PRINTING MACHINE. CURRENTLY THOSE ARE T2 BPOS AND BOTTLENECK MOON GOO.

ON A SIDE NOTE; YOU DO REALIZE THAT THERE IS A MAILING LIST THAT ALL T2 BPO OWNERS ARE A PART OF RIGHT? ANY TIME A THREAD APPEARS WITH THE IDEA OF REMOVING THEM FROM THE GAME OR REDUCING THEIR EFFICIENCY IN MAKING ISK, THEY SPAM IT HARD CORE. TELLING EVERYONE TO DERAIL THE THREAD AS FAST AS POSSIBLE WITH THEIR ARMY OF ALTS.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...

Otawo
Posted - 2011.07.18 05:18:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: EdwardNardella
Originally by: Lady Spank
It's unnecessary.

It would end these threads!
There is nothing you can do to change the common perception that T2 BPOs are unfair. When people find out that a privileged few have something they cannot they have some anger and frustration. Eliminating T2 BPOs will make thousands of players who are less unhappy.

I'm not even into industry myself, but it's the idea of it. It's like P2W items -- except you didn't have to pay for it with Aurum, but CCP just gave them to you. It's just weird; such items simply shouldn't exist in game.

And to those who claim there's not much difference in profit to be had between T1 and T2 BPO's, a T2 Hulk BPO currently goes for ca. 60-100 bil. I guess it costs that much because it's not much better than just inventing a Hulk with regular T1 BPO's, right? /sarcasm. I'm often amazed how people can say these things with a straight face.


But if you remove all T2 BPO's from the game then how will you make new ones with T1 BPO's, and it will make the ISK you pay for T2 ships and equipment go up. But yeah who needs that stuff stupid me. You are so right OP down with any way for us to have items easy to make so we can get them easily.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.18 05:24:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 18/07/2011 05:24:33
Originally by: Otawo
But if you remove all T2 BPO's from the game then how will you make new ones with T1 BPO's, and it will make the ISK you pay for T2 ships and equipment go up. But yeah who needs that stuff stupid me. You are so right OP down with any way for us to have items easy to make so we can get them easily.

Dude... you'd invent T2 BPC's. :) You know, like every other non-privileged industrialist does.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.18 06:26:00 - [14]
 

You are seriously overestimating the profits involved.

Only a handful of BPOs are in the hands of the original "winners" and the exorbitant costs involved with buying what is essentially convenience takes years to get back (unless it is sold again) .. and that is before market fluctuations take their toll.
With a modest payment upfront you can start inventing and make MORE isk than any BPO holder. All it takes is a bit of business savvy.

If you want to rage then find an actual problem, like moon-goo which is 100% the rich-mans ISK printing press (supers needed to acquire/hold) and a pre-requisite for BPO and Invention both.

The only area where the BPOs are skewing the markets are for the resource intensive items (ships), but for all their ePeen enhancing properties they are but a small part of the overall picture.

PS: Sounds like you tried your hand at invention, chose an ego-booster item like a HAC only to find it is impossible without taking a loss. Now who is the lazy one .. you didn't even bother reading up on it.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.18 07:25:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
PS: Sounds like you tried your hand at invention, chose an ego-booster item like a HAC only to find it is impossible without taking a loss. Now who is the lazy one .. you didn't even bother reading up on it.

So petty, these ad hominems. And, alas, so common for threads like this. Still, penalty for personal foul.

Oh, and do try and read a few of the replies a bit before you post, would ya? Since I already said I'm not an industrialist; and have no intention of becoming one. It's apparently very difficult for people to understand that one can advocate balance without actually having a vested interest in the matter.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.18 07:47:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Since I already said I'm not an industrialist; and have no intention of becoming one...

So not only do you speak on a subject you have zero knowledge of but you do so without having any intention of ever acquiring said knowledge .. you should be taken seriously why exactly?

Not having a vested interest is one thing but being ignorant of the subject matter is something else entirely .. read up on it, loads of material available.

The ignore feature on the new forums will do wonders for my calm .. can't wait.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.18 08:37:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Since I already said I'm not an industrialist; and have no intention of becoming one...

So not only do you speak on a subject you have zero knowledge of but you do so without having any intention of ever acquiring said knowledge .. you should be taken seriously why exactly?

Not having a vested interest is one thing but being ignorant of the subject matter is something else entirely .. read up on it, loads of material available.

The ignore feature on the new forums will do wonders for my calm .. can't wait.

Again with the sad stream of personal attacks. Would it kill you to, I dunno, stick an actual argument in there somewhere? You know, just for good measure?

N.B. Oh, and I don't fly supercaps either; nor do I intend to become a supercap pilot. And yet I still want supercaps nerfed; weird, eh?

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.18 10:36:00 - [18]
 

It takes your about 6-8 years (depending on BPO) to earn enough ISK to pay off the purchase.

ISK printing machines indeed.

Last Star Fighter
Posted - 2011.07.18 12:36:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
It takes your about 6-8 years (depending on BPO) to earn enough ISK to pay off the purchase.

ISK printing machines indeed.


THIS IS A BLATANT LIE!

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.07.18 13:03:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei


N.B. Oh, and I don't fly supercaps either; nor do I intend to become a supercap pilot. And yet I still want supercaps nerfed; weird, eh?


Wanting to do away with things you know nothing about.

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain

Posted - 2011.07.18 14:48:00 - [21]
 

this should have been done ages ago when t20 was giving out prints for his buddies

Voddick
Posted - 2011.07.23 21:57:00 - [22]
 

Well....I don't like the idea of T2 BPO's and would prefer invention for BPC's.

The players with the T2 BPO should be compensated accordingly and not just get 100 run copies. But the removal of BPO's would be good for EVE today, tomorrow, and 5 years from now.

--------
No I don't own any T2 BPO's, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Reithan
Sick Tight
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.24 04:28:00 - [23]
 

Anything anyone in EVE has that offers a permanent advantage that is not available to other players (no matter how small the advantage), no matter how hard they work for it is WRONG and BAD FOR THE GAME.

Shadow Lord77
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:50:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Shadow Lord77 on 24/07/2011 06:50:32
Signed. The sentiment for keeping them in is ungodly, pure and simple.

If there weren't any Tech II BPO's maybe invention would become more interesting and profitable.

Bo Kantrel
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.24 07:01:00 - [25]
 

The Nerf bat hits ships, drones, modules, ammo, etc. for game balancing all the time.
Think of how many hours you trained for a ship for it get nerfed!

It's time for the Nerf bat to hit the T2 BPO's for market balancing...

CCP has already said that invention is working as intended.
T2 BPO's provide a unfair advantage.

Signed.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.24 07:06:00 - [26]
 

I propose that anything I don't own and can't be bothered to acquire for myself be removed from the game or massively reduced in value.

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.24 08:59:00 - [27]
 

just remove all of them , with 0 compensation
the owners already got rich due to this imbalanced feature...
btw most of them got it free in the first place due to stupid lottery

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.

Posted - 2011.07.24 10:49:00 - [28]
 

Yes, because I don't have any Twisted Evil

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.07.24 12:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Naomi Knight
just remove all of them , with 0 compensation
the owners already got rich due to this imbalanced feature...
btw most of them got it free in the first place due to stupid lottery


Just another unknowing player.

Most T2 BPO owners now spend billions of ISK to get their BPO, Most BPO's were sold to new parties and only a rare few are in the hands of those who won them in the lottery.

So those new BPO owners did the math to find out their break even point and found out that after 4 to 5 years they were going to see a return and started to plan that long ahead.
Other new owners saw the tendency of T2 BPO's rising in value and bought some in the hope that in later years they could turn a profit selling them again and in the meantime maybe sell off some BPC's copies of them.

Now let's see what elese needs to be removed then in this game.

Let's remove the last State Ravens from the game because they have just more DPS than a Navy raven or even a Golem.
Same for other rare ships obtained in some contest which prevented people who weren't in an alliance to participate.
How dare CCP force people into alliances to participate in such an event and make me pay lots of ISK to get one of those ships afterwards. That is if there are some going to be sold.


It's always the same. People see something they can't have or atleast can't have for a long long time and instead of looking to the whole picture just want that thing removed. That darn sore spot that seems soo unobtainable. Well not really unobtainable, but heck I am too lazy to try to get one and find out afterwards it takes ages to actually make a profit from them.


Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.24 13:15:00 - [30]
 

Not supported.

You have the chance to buy T2 BPO's, the same as everyone else.
Plus with invention, there is absolutely no need for this change.


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