open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked Ignorance is Bliss, A 0.0 Wormhole Comparison.
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 [8]

Author Topic

Russell Casey
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:40:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: Russell Casey on 25/08/2011 13:41:14
Maybe wormholes should work that way? CCP keeps acting like they were some horrible mistake and completely ignores the fact that they've already got the fluid, dangerous, self-made environment in wormholes that they keep desperately trying to turn 0.0 into.

Which isn't going to happen so long as 0.0 is run by a handful of people and anyone who does go out there has to choose between being a tenant or a serf.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:52:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 25/08/2011 13:55:53
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 25/08/2011 13:52:00
Originally by: Jack Tronic
Edited by: Jack Tronic on 17/07/2011 05:35:54

Like I said in other topics, they just want to eliminate competition to their bots. Sooner or later they'll demand sleeper sites in null. Can't wait for the great winter of nerfs.


sooner or later theyll demand you pay aur to get into a belt

Originally by: Russell Casey

Which isn't going to happen so long as 0.0 is run by a handful of people and anyone who does go out there has to choose between being a tenant or a serf.


and what do you think happens when these ppl then get CCP's direct ear to talk into? CSM lol ppl thought T20 was bad because BoB's guys had CCP's guys on IM, what happens when they go to Iceland (on CCP's dime) instead and talk to them directly? Its amazing ppl were SOOOO outraged at ppl having CCP on their IM BUT they think the CSM is a good idea...

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:56:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Russell Casey
Maybe wormholes should work that way? CCP keeps acting like they were some horrible mistake and completely ignores the fact that they've already got the fluid, dangerous, self-made environment in wormholes that they keep desperately trying to turn 0.0 into.


A-****ing-Men.

Thank you for putting that so clearly.

Its always been the whole problem with how null sec is setup. You have the entire null sec population dedicated day and night to keeping people out of null sec,while they come on the forums and ***** about how no one comes out to null sec and CCP should do something about that. While simultanously you have CCP developing ways to make it easier for null sec players to keep people out, than ****ing with high sec to try to convince people to try to go and live in null sec.

Its all pretty self defeating.





Alba Tross
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.08.25 14:16:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Jackson Millenius
rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.

Because I know only 2 in my corp, and they only do it for the fullerene reactions.


I don't know the reasons behind CCP/CSM wanting to nerf them, and I don't care.

But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol

Imagine you're in a corporation of people who have varied talents. You have the die-hard PVPers, the self-proclaimed mining gods, the glossy-eyed explorers and the avid mission runners.

Between that group alone, you can tackle just about any site in a wormhole. So you find a wormhole that is unoccupied and has thirty or so sites/anomalies and you get to crackin. Once your explorers have scanned down all the sites, your missioners are clearing sleepers out of anomalies and various other sites like radars, magnetos and the warp-in grav/ladars. Meanwhile your PVPers are setting up bubbles on the various wormholes and screwing around looking for random targets to gank and your miners are snoring away blasting the rich rocks that the belts contain. Some are even sat in gas belts to let nothing go to waste.

There are a lot of people who play EVE, and not everybody has each skill in their repertoire. A corporation of friends who are in the game together to have fun (which is what MMOs are about) can easily find plenty to do in a wormhole if they are all from different walks of EVE. Take some of those reasons to go into a wormhole away, and you will quickly find it a wasteland as desolate as lowsec.


^^^^^ I want to join a Corp like this, I have lots of skill points - have not played consistently for quite a while, but recently had a job change that allows me to play a lot more frequently. I have two well-developed pvp characters (with some other side-skills of course). . .

If anyone knows of a corp that does things like the above post listed, please point me in their direction, I would like to apply Smile

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.25 14:31:00 - [215]
 

I can't even fathom the "problem" they are trying to fix with this bullet point.

Seriously? Worm holes are competing with 0.0 mining operations?

What a load of crocodile crap.

I can fly through 50 0.0 systems with sov and zero miners to be found.

Fix that one first you bunch of trumped up numpties


Jita Bloodtear
Posted - 2011.08.25 17:37:00 - [216]
 

To add some statistics to this argument, these numbers came up from CCP themselves:

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
According to the latest data I have, 27% of Arkonor, 21% of Bistot and 25% of Crokite is mined in wormholes (including the improved ores).


Originally by: CCP Greyscale
On the safety front, I checked kills and it turns out that if you consider just kills in nullsec and w-space, 60% of covetors and 26% of hulks die in w-space, which suggests that newer players mining in w-space are dying a lot, but experienced ones are about as safe in w-space as they are in nullsec. Safer than I thought it was going to be

This information is from here, and it's recent. CCP admits that the danger of mining in a WH is comparable to that of nullsec, and safer than they had originally anticipated. These numbers also demonstrate that a substatial amount of ABC is derived from inside WH space. Furthermore WH population is only 2.45% of the game's population, and they produce 25% of the high end ore (link). Based on the disclaimers of WH dwellers in this thread that they never mine, that means an even smaller group of WH miners are the ones who understand how biased the system is in their favor, and they cherry pick enough to supply a quarter of the galaxy.

While I know most of the WH dwellers don't do mining, most of the nullsec people don't do mining as well. It only takes isolated groups of multiboxers to completely poach out your WHs without putting in the effort that nullsec miners have to do.

Ad'Hakim Tahous
Posted - 2011.08.25 20:09:00 - [217]
 

A different character of mine mined in w-space as often as we were lucky enough to get a grav site or a ladar site. Another character of mine tried out 0.0 in two different null-sec corps.

The playability and enjoyment of running with a tight-knit group while dealing with the risks of w-space was highly enjoyable. The aggravation of dealing with null-sec corps lead me to recycle that character.

Boosting profitability in 0.0 will NOT lead to a greater distribution of wealth within 0.0, it will only further pad the bloated wallets of the 0.0 Barons.

W-space: The new End Game of New Eden.

0.0 space pilots should look to the behavior of the Alliance Barons to realize why so many, many others have no interest in moving to 0.0 space.

Bouh Revetoile
Posted - 2011.08.26 08:22:00 - [218]
 

I read here many complaint about how dangerous it is to mine in a w-system but I think your vision is biased.

First, mining in wormhole mean a signature site which mean a pirate will need to use probe to find you, hence an opportunity to see probe on D-scan, hence the time to jump !
You shall realize that while mining in a belt, you have less than a minute to go away before your ennemi arrive. How many time have you in a signature site ? I would say at very least the same time provided the pirate is a hero prober and get your signal in less than ten second after its probes get closer than 12AU from you, and I don't think there is so much of them. So if the point is to say "you cannot afk mine in wormhole", I think it's ok for every one, but it's the same in nullsec, and no, nullsec is not a giant desert of -1.0 systems full of ABC ore in a very deep pocket where no pirate goes (can you say the same of every w-system ?)

Second, I have a friend who did a mining op in a wormhole system (C2 or C3, I don't remember exactly) for twenty hours in a weekend without seeing any pirate. It's not my definition of "extremly dangerous and way more than in nullsec" (try mining in NPC nullsec or lowsec if you want to see something dangerous...)

And finaly, CCP seem to have numbers showing that the very small number of miners in w-space provide a proportionaly greater amount of ABC ore in the game ; I think this is a flaw.

Ressiv
Massive PVPness
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:45:00 - [219]
 

Edited by: Ressiv on 26/08/2011 17:45:31
Originally by: Bouh Revetoile
I read here many complaint about how dangerous it is to mine in a w-system but I think your vision is biased.

First, mining in wormhole mean a signature site which mean a pirate will need to use probe to find you, hence an opportunity to see probe on D-scan, hence the time to jump !
You shall realize that while mining in a belt, you have less than a minute to go away before your ennemi arrive. How many time have you in a signature site ? I would say at very least the same time provided the pirate is a hero prober and get your signal in less than ten second after its probes get closer than 12AU from you, and I don't think there is so much of them. So if the point is to say "you cannot afk mine in wormhole", I think it's ok for every one, but it's the same in nullsec, and no, nullsec is not a giant desert of -1.0 systems full of ABC ore in a very deep pocket where no pirate goes (can you say the same of every w-system ?)

Second, I have a friend who did a mining op in a wormhole system (C2 or C3, I don't remember exactly) for twenty hours in a weekend without seeing any pirate. It's not my definition of "extremly dangerous and way more than in nullsec" (try mining in NPC nullsec or lowsec if you want to see something dangerous...)

And finaly, CCP seem to have numbers showing that the very small number of miners in w-space provide a proportionaly greater amount of ABC ore in the game ; I think this is a flaw.


Meh .. rooky pilot here calls your bluff.

First of all, only the high end WH's provide what you could call a steady stream .. but in these WH's you risk getting ganked by a BS fleet or bigger.

Secondly, the low end WH's have a poor amount of gravimetric sites, and if you constantly mine them dry, they tend to spawn even less over time.

Third, as mentioned before, it's a PITA to transport ore our of lower class wormholes. This because you collapse the entrance by moving that Orca in and out. So you get like one freaking trip .. whooptiedoo.

Finally, if you need help because your WH just got invaded, good luck with getting people to help you out ...

I've also been in 0.0, where you can afk mine the living **** out of the belts, untill one of your intel channels starts making noise.

Your probe story is nice, except that it does not account for the fact that you would have to spam the living **** out of the d-scan all the time, and that is offcourse just as good as looking in local who is there ... amiright ?

Goobai Vapor
Posted - 2011.08.27 04:53:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: Goobai Vapor on 27/08/2011 04:54:14
W-Space is pretty much the last decent part of EVE Online for those of us who choose to live there.

Start messing with wormhole dwellers, and kiss those subscribers goodbye.

To those saying that "daytrippers" are ruining the economy:

Yes. The gravimetric sites that spawn rarely which contain a small amount of high end ores are ruining your economy. It has nothing to do with Drone drops, or reprocessing a ton of useless modules, or massive piles of moon-goo that seemingly serves to benefit no one but large coalitions.

Those aren't a problem, though. Wormholes are.

Just because your part of the game sucks, don't ruin ours.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.27 06:36:00 - [221]
 

Dun worry OP, CCP well knows Mitanni is the very personification of why the CSM never can get anything meaningful done.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.08.27 08:50:00 - [222]
 

I have kind of a serious question when it comes to wh's and the so called day trippers. When I lived up north in 0.0 there was a WH, almost alway there. I used it for a free trip to low sec to buy and sell. Was very very nice. And cant think of anytime It was not there when I did not need it.

Is this a common thing to happen with worm holes. I mean, I never even entered a wh space. Was like my perfect little jb that no one, or few knew about.

That said. Say if I were a miner and transported minerals this way, would that add to the statistics CCP is using to say WH's day trippers are ruining the market. And how many other ppl use this to move these minerals in the same way I would use them for getting in and out of deep 0.0?

And really for about 3 months that wh was up, and i used it about 3 times a week. But that is my limit to wh's.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.08.27 08:55:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Headerman
Dun worry OP, CCP well knows Mitanni is the very personification of why the CSM never can get anything meaningful done.


LOL anyone that has ever heard him talk can see through is bs. But there are ppl that thrive around stupid, and center around it. hint hint. They tend to think they are very smart, and too cool for school. Then fall back on childish insults they think work.

Alot like watching a Jim Carry movie, you laugh but feel so bad for him.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.08.27 09:39:00 - [224]
 

i agree with OP

stop changing space... its all fine, just make FW better so people wanna go to lowsec.


Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 [8]

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only