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Thomasale
Posted - 2011.07.18 11:54:00 - [91]
 

OK now I have read the entire thread and what a great read it is!

Kudos to the OP for summing up all the reasons to scrap the NERF talk. I have lived in holes off and on in my EVE time and have 3 accounts. We all mine and processs and haul and scan and lose ships on a regular basis. It is the cost of mining in WH space and I basically mine to while away the hours. I know the profit is not the greatest but it is something to do when waiting for more profitable ops to happen. Would I move out if the NERF happend? No way! Would my fun be reduced?? Probably.

I was particularly glad to see a CSM post towards the latter part of the thread and indicate that there are at least 2 members who share OUR best interests and that the entire CSM should wait til the stats of WH mining and market implications are known. I trust that this will be CCP's course of action.

Thanks again to the OP for starting a great thread!

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.18 12:05:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Hi everyone, I just got pointed to this thread, so I thought I'd post some clarifications.

1) At the summit, Meissa and I objected strongly to kneejerk nerfing ABC in WH space. Both of us have some WH experience (him more than myself, but I currently have my second account main living in a C4, where he's been waiting for weeks for one of these fabled highways to Jita). My position in particular is that nothing like this should be done without good statistics on the actual effect of WH mining on the market (ie: net flows out of WH space, not just amount of mining).

2) Contrary to what you may have heard, CSM has received no such statistics. Nor have we heard that any nerf is in the pipeline.

Best,
Treb

PS: If you check the minutes, you will see that Two Step, even though he was an alternate who was not present at the summit, did substantial work on them, in particular related to WH issues. Keep that in mind when it's election time.


This is encouraging, thanks Trebor. It's nice to know there's a sane voice in there. You ever connect to my C2, just ask, we'll get you to high sec come hell or high water if you need it.

Jesarey
Posted - 2011.07.18 12:11:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Jesarey on 18/07/2011 12:14:25
CSM VI

This pretty much sums the whole "player representation" fairytale.

I dont get it. I truly dont. Why do you even care how much money do wh people make. Why give any voice to thoose damned cowards who cant imagine living without a supercap fleet ready to hotdrop and bail them. You damn pussies.

Just leave the damn WH-space alone. We dont want any of the null vs low vs high sec crap. We dont care about eve politics, who did the Goons pi**ed off this time, or another alliance r***d by PL. We just want to be left alone. We build our own home, and we want to live there the way we want.

Its we who should be *****ing about unfairness. We dont have any upgrades, we cant claim sov, we cant mine moons.

All we have is sleeper sites.And why dont we talk about nullsec scannable plexes. You think sleepers are profitable - think again. They are nothing compared to blood raiders or angels sites in null. They are located in a friendly system. You get a crapload of them in an upgraded system. These sites contain a crapload of nice easy to kill rats, that dont spider tank and dont switch targets. You can bring a carrier to do them. Heck, half the profits you get from bounties - without having to do anything besides killing them. And then you have the nerve to even talk about WH being TOO profitable and TOO easy? You damned hippocrites.

Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2011.07.18 12:29:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Aelius on 18/07/2011 13:33:31
Originally by: Lyrrashae
Edited by: Lyrrashae on 17/07/2011 08:03:06
I couldn't agree more.

+111 for the OP, because he just won EVE.

W-space is the last bastion of the real EVE-Online experience, by the way: No local, no blues, no sov, no pipes, no blobs, no super-capitals, not bottable....No room for the alliance-kiddies.

It's EVE on "Normal"-mode, as far as I'm concerned.

+1

Edited to remove rage post. (yes i'm ****ed)

CCP needs to stop treating 0.0 like a spoiled child. They cry CCP delivers. "Hey! This WH kid has a lolly pop... CCP i want a case of those... and ice cream NOWWWW"

Plus i think its important that WH community elects a strong CSM representative asap.



Aedeal
Posted - 2011.07.18 12:50:00 - [95]
 

OP has a pretty fair summary of how it works in wormholes. CSM needs to read it.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.18 13:16:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
Wormhole ner***e screws the endgame for small corp/alliances.

Nullsec is the "big boy" territory. Your part of a large corp/alliance or you tithe to a large corp/alliance.

WH space is free for all. No sov, no cyno jammers. No predictable routes. Free for all, you take and hold (or lose) purely through strenghth of arms and/or tactics.

Nerf wormholes? **** NO....beef them up. Encourage folk to play in them. Revel in the fact that botting in wormholes IS suicide. Botting deep in cyno jammed space is just a licence to print/sell isk. Nobody gets away with afk mining in a wormhole.

Wormhole space is the best thing CCP have introduced into the game in the last couple of years. A place ANY corp can strike it big if they have balls. Nerfing it is a big middle finger to people who want to strike out on their own path.

Does CCP want to condone or condemn emergent gameplay? Or will they pander to the botting ****s in nullsec who cut off options to "join us, rent from us or die"

IM pretty much a carebear really, Ive lived in a WH then moved out. Changes to nullsec or WH space makes little difference to me aside from changing how I make profit.

Ill still argue against nerfing something that means nothing that means sod all to my bottom line purely because its [wrong].
This gentle person has written what I have been trying to communicate to fellow null-sec associates.

W-space is an environment that best exemplifies the risk / reward and sandbox dynamics that are the hallmarks of EVE game play. To start nerfing and tweaking elements of w-space ad hoc is akin to pulling another "Dominion" on your players. *Hint* that's not a good thing.

NOTE: Currently, I have no financial interests in w-space.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.07.18 13:31:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Jackson Millenius
rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.

But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol

not really "lol" is here.

people mine in WH if/when they can't fly proper ships to kill sleepers. This is matter of corp recruiting politics: to recruit or not newbees into 0.0 or WH corps....

Bodega Cat
Posted - 2011.07.18 15:13:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Bodega Cat on 18/07/2011 15:19:20
The truth is, their isn't even that much mining going on in wormholes because of the constant threats of danger, the logistics, and the volatile limitations.

I want to see the stats.

The one thing I do want to comment on however, is the fact that wormhole content has been the most successful chunk of expansion content EVE has implemented to date. If CCP were smart, they would be trying to appropriate much of what they can learn from w-space to the greater game at large.

It takes a robust skill set, ingenuous minded people, and people that want to ACTIVELY (not bot) play the game in order to survive in worm hole space, and again, while i already suggested not many mine in w-space, i would never want to eliminate the prospect of it because many people enter into this type of content with the expectations to leverage it, and they will do so for as long and as much as they need to. W-space demands all different types of players, and welcomes small camaraderie. Null sec demands only people that are comfortable with being subordinate, and respect the greater cause of leagues of likeminded people.

For the sake of compromise, i would only be comfortable with a nerf to ABC in wormholes if CCP agreed to also aggressively implement strategies and features to abolish all bot mining from now until the end times. Then w-space people could probably turn just as much profit from low-mid end ores as the entire economy would be flipped upside down.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.18 15:14:00 - [99]
 

Be a shame for this thread to fall off without a blue response... or better yet, someone from the CSM that thinks nerfing holes is a good idea attempting to explain the basis of their stupidity...

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.18 15:45:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
This is encouraging, thanks Trebor. It's nice to know there's a sane voice in there. You ever connect to my C2, just ask, we'll get you to high sec come hell or high water if you need it.


I appreciate the thought, but more likely you'd gank me for an Orca full of tasty high-end minerals that I was moving as part of the great WH conspiracy to flood the markets. Twisted Evil

Jhan Niber
EdgeGamers
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.07.18 16:02:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Hi everyone, I just got pointed to this thread, so I thought I'd post some clarifications.

1) At the summit, Meissa and I objected strongly to kneejerk nerfing ABC in WH space. Both of us have some WH experience (him more than myself, but I currently have my second account main living in a C4, where he's been waiting for weeks for one of these fabled highways to Jita). My position in particular is that nothing like this should be done without good statistics on the actual effect of WH mining on the market (ie: net flows out of WH space, not just amount of mining).

2) Contrary to what you may have heard, CSM has received no such statistics. Nor have we heard that any nerf is in the pipeline.

Best,
Treb

PS: If you check the minutes, you will see that Two Step, even though he was an alternate who was not present at the summit, did substantial work on them, in particular related to WH issues. Keep that in mind when it's election time.


Nice to see a CSM Delegate respond to this thread and help allay concerns. I greatly appreciate it.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.18 16:08:00 - [102]
 

Amen to OP.

Thank you for taking the time and articulating WH life, and why taking ABC is bull****.

I have been playing eve for 3 years now, and have been hit with the nerf bat in every profession I do.

CCP, you want me to PvP and lose my ship, you have directly stated it. So give me a ****ing good reason to fly 2 hulks and a hyperion in -1 space. I'm not going to move to nullsec because you nerf WH's, I'm going to move to hisec and grief nubs. Because you keep nerfing everyting in the ****ing game.

As a matter of fact you just nerfed nullsec. Why the **** do I want to go there anyway?

Some people say the cursing makes me look less intelligent, but apparently I'm still intelligent enough to figure out I'm being ****ed in the ass.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.18 16:21:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
This is encouraging, thanks Trebor. It's nice to know there's a sane voice in there. You ever connect to my C2, just ask, we'll get you to high sec come hell or high water if you need it.


I appreciate the thought, but more likely you'd gank me for an Orca full of tasty high-end minerals that I was moving as part of the great WH conspiracy to flood the markets. Twisted Evil


To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't nor would I allow it in my hole if my word was on the line. You know that Jimmy Buffett song, A Pirate Looks at Forty? Yeah... that's in the rearview mirror. Smile

I would, though, need to take into consideration an orca passing through... if high lead through the static C2 to a C1 to high that could affect whether or not there's a return trip... them little holes pop quickly.

Maeve Trinity
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.18 16:51:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
For them to be nerfed is almost like a slap in the face to players who CHOOSE not to occupy 0.0 because they don't want to be a part of a circlejerk.


QFT. Why is it 0.0 dwellers believe that any measure of success is something that should be exclusive to them?

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:01:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Maeve Trinity
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
For them to be nerfed is almost like a slap in the face to players who CHOOSE not to occupy 0.0 because they don't want to be a part of a circlejerk.


QFT. Why is it 0.0 dwellers believe that any measure of success is something that should be exclusive to them?


Especially when they're afraid to venture into -1.0 space and try real living.

Zakua Corbin
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:07:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Jackson Millenius
rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.

Because I know only 2 in my corp, and they only do it for the fullerene reactions.


I don't know the reasons behind CCP/CSM wanting to nerf them, and I don't care.

But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol

Imagine you're in a corporation of people who have varied talents. You have the die-hard PVPers, the self-proclaimed mining gods, the glossy-eyed explorers and the avid mission runners.

Between that group alone, you can tackle just about any site in a wormhole. So you find a wormhole that is unoccupied and has thirty or so sites/anomalies and you get to crackin. Once your explorers have scanned down all the sites, your missioners are clearing sleepers out of anomalies and various other sites like radars, magnetos and the warp-in grav/ladars. Meanwhile your PVPers are setting up bubbles on the various wormholes and screwing around looking for random targets to gank and your miners are snoring away blasting the rich rocks that the belts contain. Some are even sat in gas belts to let nothing go to waste.

There are a lot of people who play EVE, and not everybody has each skill in their repertoire. A corporation of friends who are in the game together to have fun (which is what MMOs are about) can easily find plenty to do in a wormhole if they are all from different walks of EVE. Take some of those reasons to go into a wormhole away, and you will quickly find it a wasteland as desolate as lowsec.


Well said Siigari. CCP, Leave our HOLES alone!

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:48:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Jackson Millenius
rofl who mines ABC ores in WH space? Please post here. Please say you mine.

Because I know only 2 in my corp, and they only do it for the fullerene reactions.


I don't know the reasons behind CCP/CSM wanting to nerf them, and I don't care.

But with sleepers and Fullerenes....who really cares about the ores? lol


I and my corp mine ABC's in a C3 with a low sec static. We mine them when we tire of sleeper slaying or anomalies run low (we always leave 2, that seems to encourage more to spawn). We reprocess them in system taking the 25% hit simply to make transport reasonable, although sometimes we get a high sec extra WH and can move out an orca load of raw ore. We also mine other ores for building stuff. We have one carrier and are working on #2.

We also gas mine and do gas reactions.

If market data indicates the W-space ore is distorting the market, maybe a compromise is reducing the roid sizes rather than complete removal.

Ildus Hekx
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:54:00 - [108]
 

O'rly? Then why not just lessen the amount found in 0.0 space to compensate rather than bothering hole miners? After all, wormholes rely on real player miners to collect resources rather than bots.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:58:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
If market data indicates the W-space ore is distorting the market, maybe a compromise is reducing the roid sizes rather than complete removal.


Unlikely that that grav with 12 to 15K of ark is going to offset even a tiny fraction of what the null-bots are pulling out of their endlessly replenishing multiple fixed belts, so let's not go pre-negotiating away things when we're already on the short end of the stick.

Jesarey
Posted - 2011.07.18 17:59:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Jesarey on 18/07/2011 18:00:15
Bots mining nonstop, thats what is distorting the market. Destroying it in fact. And seeing WH-space as the only place in EvE where bots are unusable at all....no. There should be no compromise. In fact, there should be more grav sites. WH space is -1.0. And it should be at least as profitable as null, because the level of danger is the same. Dangers themselves might be different, but overall level is the same.

You know what, dont give WH space mineable moons. You can stick your caps up your ar*e. They have little use here anyway. That would be even fair somewhat. WH have sleepers, nullsec has moon goo.

Jadecougar
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:03:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Maeve Trinity

QFT. Why is it 0.0 dwellers believe that any measure of success is something that should be exclusive to them?


^^THIS! There is a wave across New Eden with regards to null sec being "THE" place to be and yet most of them...check that...ALL of them complain about it the whole time!! lol!

Originally by: Ingvar Angst

Especially when they're afraid to venture into -1.0 space and try real living.


You know why I think it is?

1. No moons
2. No local
3. No Blobs -- too much math to calculate the wormhole mass and timing! Razz
4. No Sov

I think the average null sec corp can't hack the "pioneer" lifestyle that we do and are so proud of. In a nutshell. Wink

DemetRYS
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:15:00 - [112]
 

Nullsec and W-space just offer diffirent styles of risks and rewards.

-Sov. gets invaded/taken, WH gets invaded/taken
-Sov. has to deal with cynos, WH has to deal with delayed local (note: one can be jammed)
-Sov. has jump bridges/JF's, WH has the possibility of empire exists

ABC's belong both places.


Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:26:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: DemetRYS
Nullsec and W-space just offer diffirent styles of risks and rewards.

-Sov. gets invaded/taken, WH gets invaded/taken
-Sov. has to deal with cynos, WH has to deal with delayed local (note: one can be jammed)
-Sov. has jump bridges/JF's, WH has the possibility of empire exists

ABC's belong both places.




I have to admit... I'm a little confused by what people are calling "delayed local" in wormholes. We have an alliance channel that's delayed, but eventually everyone in there shows up. In holes, there's no local unless you actually speak in it. If no one uses it, no one shows up.

Ruiryu
Caldari
Gray Rogue Squadron
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:58:00 - [114]
 

So, first off I want to thank everyone for their support on this post and keeping things for the most part civil. Also thank you to “Trebor Daehdoow” of the CSM who has posted some comments and thoughts on the topic.

As I type this in word to hopefully catch any spelling or grammar issues early I can’t comment on how long this post will be but I’ll try to keep it shorter then my first.

I’d like to continue on some more thoughts of wormhole space and 0.0 that are commonly misunderstood, and one suggestion that could act as a compromise to the so called “day trippers” and/or the placement of A/B/C Ore’s in C1-C4 wormholes.

I know in the paragraph before I said I’d talk about some misconceptions first but I’ve changed my mind and I’m too lazy to go back and edit it. But do me a favour and be sure to breathe as you read this.

A/B/C Ore’s (Arkonor, Bistot, and Crokite) presence in C1-C4 have been of concern because of the so called relative ease of shipping them back and forth to high Sec space. But in actual truth the only true case where this can/should be considered is in those C1-C4 who have a static High Sec exit. Not all of these wormholes have direct access to high Sec space, some of them in fact lead to more dangerous wormholes. So why must all of these suffer in turn? This is a question I have no answer for and should be given to CCP and/or the CSM. I can however agree to a small level that those wormholes that do have a direct access to High Sec space should maybe be looked over on what ores are available there. Wormhole dwellers I know I just plucked a cord for you. But step up to the plate and try to come to a compromise. Show EVE that you aren’t the spoiled child, or one of the many raging lobotomized monkeys. But to add these ore’s provide the vital minerals used in the production of T3 ships, removing the access to these minerals would have a devastating effect on T3 production. It just adds to the difficulty of producing T3 by adding in extra steps and trips to High Security space to procure needed materials. We already have this step with datacores. (Please don't add more to it)

But to clear any confusion, the fabled 2 jump to Jita wormhole does exist, I’ve seen it once since the release. This doesn’t mean though that it should be used as a comparison to nerf these wormholes though. The lower wormholes in question (C1 or C2) with static High Sec generally also do not allow for much travel due to mass restrictions.

As it has been pointed out several times in other threads and I do believe in this one as well. They can’t even accept larger mining barges, or even battleships for that matter. So, making use of an orca for transporting minerals to market is now out of the question. This now makes the argument of so called day trippers from wormholes rather hard to believe. Without citation from CCP on the true numbers of how wormholes are affecting the mineral market there is no way to truly argue either side of this. But let us move on, as this much should be agreeable that until some hard numbers are brought to the table from the horse’s mouth everything would be mindless speculation that just leads to a downward spiral of fecal matter. One last point before moving on, High Sec, Low Sec, 0.0 and other wormhole connections happen all the time to all C-Level of wormholes. I’ve seen High Sec entrances in a C6 before. People need to learn the difference between STATIC and RANDOM wormholes. Take from that what you will.


Lord Viziam
GunStars
Posted - 2011.07.18 19:00:00 - [115]
 

Yes. There is no delay in local. You can chat in WH local just like any other local chat channel. Only difference is you can't see who is in local.

As for the ABC's in wormhole space, they are not all the profitable to be mining considering mineral prices today and the "risk" factor; but if the prices went back up like in the old old days, then maybe there would be more exports to market. I would gladly give up ABC's for some depletable moon goo though.

But who knows what the devs are planning. DUST is coming, and CCP needs to make planets worth fighting over, so maybe moon goo will be changed to PI?

Casanunda
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.18 19:01:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Casanunda on 18/07/2011 19:11:18
This is my basic understanding of why local works the way it does in wormholes, there's some eve "lore" involved and my personal experience of living in a wormhole for over a year.

That local is merely delayed is a common misconception amongst people who've never been in a wormhole for any significant amount of time. They don't understand the "lore" that all known space has relay beacons for communications & wotnot doesn't apply to wormholes. In real world terms those relay beacons would be picking up a transponder signal from your clone/ship which identifies you to others in the same system.

In wormholes, which by their very definition are unknown space this "technology" wouldn't be in place because the infrastructure like stations and gates are also not in place. Therefore unless you are actually fool enough to use local for all intents and purposes you don't exist until someone starts looking for you by spamming the directional scan or launching combat probes, this would also explain the having to scan for sigs, no infrastructure = no mapping of local points of interest (which are random anyway).

This is all rather civilised, especially considering where this train of thought could lead, it's nice to see rational threads without the usual suspects butting in and stirring with their battleship sized spoons Rolling Eyes

Ruiryu
Caldari
Gray Rogue Squadron
Posted - 2011.07.18 19:01:00 - [117]
 

My next topic which was originally to be my first is some misconceptions. Wormhole dwellers know full well the dangers of living in wormhole space. It is why when you see a while established group living in a C5 or C6 that they have capital ships, they have multiple POS in system as well. The argument that they can’t be removed or beaten is in my opinion is a lack of imagination. Eve-Online is all about the ruthlessness of the sandbox. If you want to remove someone or some group from wormhole space planning has to take place, and time, a lot of it. This typically means people sneaking into said hostile wormhole with capitals and leaving that character logged off for an extended period of time. It means real intelligence gathering, sitting studying your opponents finding out their behaviour.

Do they run wormhole sites only Friday night?

What time do they typically log in?

So why is this all a big issue?

It becomes an issue when people are impatient they want to smash and grab right away like they can in 0.0. Things in wormhole space have to be planned and handled delicately, and a simple miss calculation can lead to a lot of “whoops didn’t see that coming”. Back on to the topic though. Removing people from wormholes can be done. AHARM, a wormhole alliance (K162 alliance ticker) have been doing it for a long time, even I have participated in the removal of a group from the wormhole I now call “home”. When there is a will there is a way. For those of you who don’t think capital fights take place in wormholes you are wrong. I’ve seen them, and participated in them, GF AHARM.

One final point I want to make here. These wormholes are more lawless then 0.0. There is no boarder, no territorial claim or Sov system to show everyone else you are King of the castle. In wormholes all you have is your corp/alliance mates and what you can bring to the fight. In wormholes you have to be ready to drop your shorts and grab your ankles, because if you aren’t on your guard 23/7 it will hurt a lot more.

The politics here are pretty simple, push the invaders out, negotiate peace, or die. In wormholes this will all take place within 24-48 hours. There is no long drawn out war. The procedure is pretty straight forward, and there is no beating around a bush. There are some alliances making their way into wormhole space trying to occupy multiple systems, but it is my opinion that this gives the false impression of security and will not last. Wormholes space cannot be navigated the same as 0.0 and as such makes reinforcing your ally with support extremely difficult, especially so if they lose control of their in/out bound wormholes. If you do stop to fight the invading force or if you are the invading force you best have ships to spare, and if you go pop in fight hope you don’t get podded. If you do get podded your chances of getting back in or even taking control of the wormhole drops.

Wormhole space is not for the faint of heart. In wormhole space you take the greatest risk. There is no way to clone jump back home or even remotely close to getting back into the fight. You have to hope your side comes out on top and finds you way back in. This goes for both parties. The 0.0 blob mentality doesn’t survive here, so having excellent FCing and preparation is key to these victories. Why you might ask? It again comes down to patients and how long people are willing to wait and prepare and sneak in and remain logged off. There is no cyno jumping back up support or the rest of your fleet, there is no Titan Bridge, you are on your own and you best be prepared.

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.18 19:03:00 - [118]
 

why do people forget that goons want to kill eve, they want to grief the game as much as the players, its all they know.


DemetRYS
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.18 19:09:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Casanunda
Edited by: Casanunda on 18/07/2011 19:04:32
That local is merely delayed is a common misconception amongst people who've never been in a wormhole for any significant amount of time. They don't understand the "lore" that all known space has relay beacons for communications & wotnot doesn't apply to wormholes.


Confirming I don't ~understand the lore~ and used a mysnomer.

My apologies to the full-time wormholes that I have offended during this debacle. I shall spend the rest of the afternoon in Chronicles as pennance.

Casanunda
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.18 19:15:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Casanunda on 18/07/2011 19:18:33
Originally by: DemetRYS
Originally by: Casanunda
Edited by: Casanunda on 18/07/2011 19:04:32
That local is merely delayed is a common misconception amongst people who've never been in a wormhole for any significant amount of time. They don't understand the "lore" that all known space has relay beacons for communications & wotnot doesn't apply to wormholes.


Confirming I don't ~understand the lore~ and used a mysnomer.

My apologies to the full-time wormholes that I have offended during this debacle. I shall spend the rest of the afternoon in Chronicles as pennance.


Lol I wasn't having a dig :P, I've had to try and explain the way local works in a WH to new recruits during my time in them and sometimes I can come across as condescending, I have referred some to reading up on the "science" side of the lore in the past


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