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Raven Fel
Posted - 2011.07.17 03:08:00 - [1]
 

I have been looking for a good cost effective Video Card for my Pen 4 2.4 GHz computer with a Yorktown Mother Broad. I believe this is a APG slot for my graphic card a Radeon 9600 with 256 MB of Video Ram. Is there a better driver for this to support 3.0 SM or do I need a better card. I have in the Brown colored slot on the broad. Please help me get back online so i can play this most awesome game.Embarassed

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.17 04:34:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Lithalnas on 17/07/2011 04:43:26
I am confused, the yorkfield chip was a quad core LGA771 socket. Which is PCIe 2.0, if that is the case then newer cards all support your board.

If you are talking about an old Nforce chipset board circa 2003, then you have bigger problems. Those old boards use AGP which is an Advanced Graphics Proccesor bus. Something that is no longer supported by modern cards. I am not even sure Shader Model 3 was finalized by the end of AGP

I did a little digging and there is 1 card which is shader model 3 and AGP x8.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161337

Krotius
Posted - 2011.07.17 04:48:00 - [3]
 

You really smell like a troll, but here goes anyhow.

Go to a computer store. Buy the first computer (not laptop) you see. It will run Eve.

You seem like someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Therefore, your best options are to either learn about computers, which will take some time, or just go on the word of a salesman. Neither solution is optimal, but it's what you've got to work with.

I'm pretty sure they don't make AGP cards anymore.

Good luck

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.17 04:56:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Krotius
You really smell like a troll, but here goes anyhow.

Go to a computer store. Buy the first computer (not laptop) you see. It will run Eve.

You seem like someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Therefore, your best options are to either learn about computers, which will take some time, or just go on the word of a salesman. Neither solution is optimal, but it's what you've got to work with.

I'm pretty sure they don't make AGP cards anymore.

Good luck


or asking here "how much does it take to play eve?" with the new AMD agp i can make a brand new system for something like 600 that can run eve, battlefield and crysis at moderate resolution and medium to high detail.

Krotius
Posted - 2011.07.17 05:25:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lithalnas
Originally by: Krotius
You really smell like a troll, but here goes anyhow.

Go to a computer store. Buy the first computer (not laptop) you see. It will run Eve.

You seem like someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Therefore, your best options are to either learn about computers, which will take some time, or just go on the word of a salesman. Neither solution is optimal, but it's what you've got to work with.

I'm pretty sure they don't make AGP cards anymore.

Good luck


or asking here "how much does it take to play eve?" with the new AMD agp i can make a brand new system for something like 600 that can run eve, battlefield and crysis at moderate resolution and medium to high detail.

I'm happy for you. I can do the same.
In fact I can do better. I can build a system for 600 that will run circles around ANYTHING with an AGP video card.

However, considering that the OP was talking about his motherboard being a "Yorktown Mother Broad" with an "APG slot" I don't think they are all that computer literate.

Just because you and I can do something, doesn't mean that the OP can.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.17 12:39:00 - [6]
 

AGP is heavily outdated. Anything connected to AGP is heavily outdated. The last AGP chip was the GeForce 7000 series and was discontinued in 2006. A Pentium 4 is a CPU that's just about good enough to run a watch, but not a PC anymore.

Random new complete PC that can run EVE.

To the OP: If you don't know anything about computers, don't pretend to. You're just screwing yourself over with that attitude.

And if it's a troll, yay i got trolled.

Koopman van Luxe
Posted - 2011.07.17 14:16:00 - [7]
 

Glad to see you both could take the time to post like massive unhelpful tools, Krotius and Reiisha. While most people would take five minutes to google what the OP needs and at least pretend to try and help him through it, this is the EVE-o-forum and we have a reputation to uphold. Being helpful takes a backseat to making sure everyone knows how intelligent you are.


Originally by: Raven Fel
I have been looking for a good cost effective Video Card for my Pen 4 2.4 GHz computer with a Yorktown Mother Broad. I believe this is a APG slot for my graphic card a Radeon 9600 with 256 MB of Video Ram. Is there a better driver for this to support 3.0 SM or do I need a better card. I have in the Brown colored slot on the broad. Please help me get back online so i can play this most awesome game.Embarassed


Unfortunately, the Shader Model is not something you can update with a driver, your only choice is to get a new card.


Before you make a purchase, take a quick look inside your computer and see if you can find an unused cable that looks like this. You will most likely need to plug one of those into your new graphics card. I've never seen a computer that didn't have multiple of those power cables hanging around unused inside, but if you have multiple CD/DVD drives or multiple hard drives they might have all been used up. If you don't have any of them free, see if you can get away with unplugging a CD/DVD drive. You won't be able to use that drive while it's unplugged, of course.

If you've never replaced a video card before, watch this video. (just please don't put any computer components on a carpet)

Now, if you live somewhere in north america, try ordering this card: GIGABYTE GV-R465D2-1GI Radeon HD 4650. Newegg does not ship outside of north america, though, so if you live elsewhere you will have to try searching the internet.

Search your local stores for a "Radeon 4650 AGP", and make sure the card you buy is an AGP slot card. It doesn't really matter which company manufactured the card, just as long as it is a "Radeon 4650", and it has a fan. It is probably better to search online, as physical stores that have this card in stock are probably going to charge a lot more for it.

This AGP slot card will be a little expensive, but it should hang on in eve online for a few more years, at least until they bring up the CPU requirements and you

With this card though, your computer is going to be at the peak of its capabilities. There really isn't anything more you can upgrade without pretty much replacing the entire computer, which is something you should seriously consider if you can afford to.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.07.17 14:53:00 - [8]
 

The 4000 series was still made for AGP? Humm, i did miss out on something.

Still, the point i was trying to get across (badly) was that with such an outdated PC, current day EVE will not run at a 'very smooth' framerate. The card Koopman just linked is also significantly more powerful than the P4 can handle, so you'll be spending $80 purely to be able to boot EVE and nothing else - The P4 just can't keep up with the card.

I would strongly recommend looking at a new PC. A (very high end) AMD system won't cost you very much but can last you for quite a long time (~$750 for a very decent setup), at least untill the next extension card standard comes around (though at the moment nothing really comes close to actually making use of x16 bandwidth).

If you only play EVE though, the PC i linked in my previous post will do very nicely aswell - A custom setup can even be had for quite a bit cheaper (check if you have an IT minded friend close!). For ~$350 you can have a pretty decent contemporary machine that can even handle some newer games if you were inclined to try them.


Again, i would strongly recommend spending somewhat more on an entirely new PC rather than upgrading your current ancient system. It's like putting a cutting-edge super gearbox into a 40 year old Volkswagen Beetle - The engine can't handle the gearbox and you'll still being going slow as hell and using a lot of fuel doing it ;p

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.17 22:35:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Caleidascope on 17/07/2011 22:38:25

The latest info from CCP is that minimum you need either ATI/AMD X1600 graphics card or GeForce 7300GT, that is minimum, if you have anything better than those, you are good.

Here is an AGP card with ATI/AMD HD 4650 chip, it supports Shader Model 4.1 and DirectX 10.1:
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD-465X-ZPF2-R&cat=VCD

With the above card, you will be good for several years to come.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.18 07:49:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 18/07/2011 07:56:15

CHEAPEST card that can "boot" EVE (even if it's below recommended specs) I could find : 40$ GeForce 6200 512MB AGP
Expect low single-digit FPS even in space if you try max graphics detail, or if you load the CQ environment even at minimum detail.
Yes, horrible performance, but it WILL run EVE.
Oh, it's much slower than your current video card, but it supports the features you need.

A more decent option would be 55$ Radeon HD 3450 512MB AGP which is more than twice as fast for just 15$ extra.
It might get you double digits where the above would have struggled with single digits, but it will be nothing too good, it will still be barely above "playable".
It's only slightly faster compared to your current video card, but again, it has the SM3 you need.


HOWEVER, BOTH ARE BAD PURCHASES - they cost too much and offer way too little.


But this is how much you want to spend, fine.
DO NOT spend more money than that on your old machine. EVERYTHING about your old machine is positively ancient.
Spend a few hundred dollars to get a brand new machine from scratch which will be several times faster than your current machine.


For instance, AMD Phenom II X4 840 costs around 105$ and is almost 12 times faster compared to your current CPU.
Or, a Radeon HD 6670 1GB that costs around 120$ (far less after rebate) and is almost 17 times faster compared to your current video card.
Add a cheap micro-ATX motherboard for only about 45$, 4GB of DDR3 for a paltry 32$, a 400W m-ATX PSU for only 26$ (yes, 400W is more than plenty for this setup, CPU goes up to 95W and GPU to 110W, so there's actually plenty left over), and you can reuse your old PC case, old HDD and old optical drive. You might even be able to use your old PSU.

TADA ! A radical upgrade to at least 10 times faster than whatever you have now for little over 300$.
It has SM5 support and it will run pretty much any game on the market right now.
Should be able to play at some graphic detail even games coming out 3 years from now.

Don't you think that's a good enough investment ?
Razz

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.07.18 18:35:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 18/07/2011 07:56:15

CHEAPEST card that can "boot" EVE (even if it's below recommended specs) I could find : 40$ GeForce 6200 512MB AGP
Expect low single-digit FPS even in space if you try max graphics detail, or if you load the CQ environment even at minimum detail.
Yes, horrible performance, but it WILL run EVE.
Oh, it's much slower than your current video card, but it supports the features you need.

A more decent option would be 55$ Radeon HD 3450 512MB AGP which is more than twice as fast for just 15$ extra.
It might get you double digits where the above would have struggled with single digits, but it will be nothing too good, it will still be barely above "playable".
It's only slightly faster compared to your current video card, but again, it has the SM3 you need.


HOWEVER, BOTH ARE BAD PURCHASES - they cost too much and offer way too little.


But this is how much you want to spend, fine.
DO NOT spend more money than that on your old machine. EVERYTHING about your old machine is positively ancient.
Spend a few hundred dollars to get a brand new machine from scratch which will be several times faster than your current machine.


For instance, AMD Phenom II X4 840 costs around 105$ and is almost 12 times faster compared to your current CPU.
Or, a Radeon HD 6670 1GB that costs around 120$ (far less after rebate) and is almost 17 times faster compared to your current video card.
Add a cheap micro-ATX motherboard for only about 45$, 4GB of DDR3 for a paltry 32$, a 400W m-ATX PSU for only 26$ (yes, 400W is more than plenty for this setup, CPU goes up to 95W and GPU to 110W, so there's actually plenty left over), and you can reuse your old PC case, old HDD and old optical drive. You might even be able to use your old PSU.

TADA ! A radical upgrade to at least 10 times faster than whatever you have now for little over 300$.
It has SM5 support and it will run pretty much any game on the market right now.
Should be able to play at some graphic detail even games coming out 3 years from now.

Don't you think that's a good enough investment ?
Razz


I would go for a sapphire 6770 Vapor-X instead of the 6670 tho. about the same price and more performant, with good cooling and uses the same TWP.


 

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