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Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.13 16:57:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Some friends and I are trying to put together "something" for CSM7. We're trying to figure out a platform for improving highsec, making Eve more noob-friendly without building walls in the sandbox, and creating better avenues for young, independent players to find their way OUT of highsec into low/null without getting their asses shot off every time.


Apply to a nullsec/lowsec corp. It really is that simple. And under no circumstances contract your stuff to anyone, or pay anybody, because that's a scam.

Aleena Doran
Posted - 2011.08.14 06:38:00 - [62]
 

Been looking over the content of the various EvE expansions since I started playing 3 and a half years ago. Tweaks and bug fixes in all of them, but I've tried to summarise main features of each as I see it:

Empyrean Age - Summer 2008 - Faction warfare
Quantum Rise - Winter 2008 - orca, weapon grouping, speed nerf, certificates and medals
Apocrypha - Summer 2009 - T3, wormholes, exploration overhall, L4 epic arcs
Dominion - Winter 2009 - sov overhall, titan and supercarrier rework, nulsec pirate faction epic arcs
Tyrannis - Summer 2010 - PI
Incursion - Winter 2010 - incursions, noctis, L4 agent quality removal
Incarna - Summer 2011 - standing in stations

Apocrypha was a great all round expansion with something for everyone. Incursions and PI (Tyrannis) could be said to add content available to all, though PI may not be to everyone's liking as an industrialist feature. Faction Warfare was important for lowsec and good idea, but is incomplete. Quantum Rise mostly tweaks. Incarna a bit of a non-event for everyone. Dominion essentially for nulsec alliances. Next expansion seems to be for nulsec too.

There really doesn't seem to have been much of interest for the casual or hisec based player added in quite a while. I've nothing against nulsec. Been there a fair bit on trips and enjoyed the pirate epic arcs, but with another 0.0 focused expansion coming up next and a CSM solely interested in promoting nulsec issues, I'm concerned that the silent majority are being taken for granted.

Miraqu
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.14 09:32:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Aleena Doran
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There really doesn't seem to have been much of interest for the casual or hisec based player added in quite a while.

Quantum Rise - Winter 2008 - orca, weapon grouping
Apocrypha - Summer 2009 - T3
Tyrannis - Summer 2010 - PI
Incursion - Winter 2010 - noctis, L4 agent quality removal




Sorry but in my opinion, this has affected the high-sec casual players far more than any other fraction.

I almost never see orcas but in highsec, I never see as much T3 ships as in highsec, I see a noctis undocking at almost every station in highsec and these hubs have been increased by the quality removal.

While it has not been the main focus of the expansions there has always been something to help the casual player or improve the gameplay in highsec.

An PI is also something that can be done by a casual player in highsec without investing too much time or taking too much risk.


tl;dr

Its fully okay to have a biased view of the different parts of eve but they are just that. Different parts of a whole.

Aleena Doran
Posted - 2011.08.14 12:30:00 - [64]
 

Miraqu,

You appear to be agreeing with me. Despite constituting the majority of players and CCP customers, hisec dwellers generally achieve only peripheral attention in most updates. I am keen to know what the future holds.

Orcas are great ships. Hisec counterpart to the nulsec Rorqual. Widely used in hisec and wormholes.
T3 introduced in Apocrypha. Excellent expansion now 2 years old. T3 ships versatile and used in different configurations and for different purposes in hisec/nulsec/wormholes. Apocrypha revamped exploration, which is particularly significant for nulsec.
I personally have never seen a noctis outside of hisec. Nice ship. Slightly more useful than the salvage destroyer. Introduced as an afterthought because the Primae model recievd wide acclaim.
The L4 agent quality change is often regarded as a nerf. Players no longer gain advantage through seeking the highest quality agents.
PI can indeed be done in both hisec and nulsec. More isk to be made in nulsec as is reasonable, and gives nulsec residents local access to many useful materials. Agree PI is one of the few things (together with mission running, mining and ratting) that can be done casually. About as exciting as mining though.

My position stands. Haven't seen a really useful expansion for 2 years since Apocrypha, and looking for CCP and the CSM to keep the player base interested.

Best,

Aleena

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Posted - 2011.08.14 13:21:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Zirse
Apply to a nullsec/lowsec corp. It really is that simple.

That SHOULD NOT be the only answer to "how do I play this game" in a game that prides itself on being a sandbox. The point of the sandbox is being able to play how you want, not everyone becoming a cog in one of the nullsec machines.

Miraqu
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.14 16:44:00 - [66]
 

Well, I really believe that Dominion was the last nullsec-heavy expansion and Incursion was the last Highsec-heavy expansion.

I also do not believe that CCP will abandon highsec because they focus on the really broken part of eve, low and nullsec because highsec would be indirectly buffed by sorting out the nullsec mess, especially the industry.


Also I really believe in the democratic process. Since nobody who obviously supports highsec claims only was elected it can't be that bad, couldn't it?


Zirse
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.14 17:10:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Originally by: Zirse
Apply to a nullsec/lowsec corp. It really is that simple.

That SHOULD NOT be the only answer to "how do I play this game" in a game that prides itself on being a sandbox. The point of the sandbox is being able to play how you want, not everyone becoming a cog in one of the nullsec machines.


There's nothing stopping you and your friends from sandboxing it up-- forming your own corp and staking a claim in lowsec/nullsec. However remember there is always the other side of the sandbox-- the freedom for me and all my friends to come **** on your parade if you can't defend it.

Here's how it works:

People have been operating in nullsec for a long time. It's no easy task, there is a lot you need to know how to do. You need competent FCs to lead your pilots, you need JFs to import/export, you need blockade runners and rorqs to do POS logistics.

All of the people currently playing in nullsec have friends that they have been playing with for a longtime. They will also be able to roflstomp any amount of new players trying to learn wtf is nullsec/lowsec.

However, there are still new alliances emerging at a steady rate, and some even have new players--imagine that. They start as renters or pet corps, learning the ropes riding on some alliance coattails, and after a while they might earn enough respect to become a full alliance member. When their alliance failcascades, they might even have the political capital to start a new alliance.

Its just not feasible for a corp/alliance of new players to succeed unsupported unless there is literally thousands of you, a la original goonswarm.

Jaxon Grylls
Posted - 2011.08.15 10:42:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Jaxon Grylls on 15/08/2011 10:45:58
Originally by: Zirse



All of the people currently playing in nullsec have friends that they have been playing with for a longtime. They will also be able to roflstomp any amount of new players trying to learn wtf is nullsec/lowsec...



...its just not feasible for a corp/alliance of new players to succeed unsupported unless there is literally thousands of you, a la original goonswarm.


So what's is the incentive that you are proposing to make more people move to nullsec? If the incumbents have a stranglehold over nullsec then the only route you are offering is to become a peon of the mighty overlords. Right? Why would anyone do that when they can be their own boss in hisec or WHS? Ah!! I see, the plan is to make hisec and WHS so unattractive that people start to think "Bugger this for a lark, I'm off to 0.0, where men are men and I can boost someone else's ego".So no carrot just stick. Err, no thanks I'll stay my own boss of my own corps, poor thing that it is, it's still better than being a tiny cog in someone else's machine.Laughing

Jaxon Grylls
Posted - 2011.08.15 10:52:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Miraqu

Also I really believe in the democratic process. Since nobody who obviously supports highsec claims only was elected it can't be that bad, couldn't it?




Sorry, I missed that. Are you saying that because a majority of the players in EVE (I'll take it as given that the majority of players ARE in hisec,) are unrepresented, that this is a good thing?

I'm sure that the Baath party in Syria will love having support for their current stance.

Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:51:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Darius III on 16/08/2011 11:55:28

Originally by: Groll McCabe
I'd also like to hear if the CSM has any ideas on improving hisec gameplay. I believe this forum is the official means for comminicating with the CSM. If the CSM views hisec as boring or repetitive then what are their thoughts on how hisec gameplay can be improved?


I have some tings to outline in December to revolutionize Hisec. Not that they will be accepted however My own main occupation is in Hisec. Granted it is as a pirate and ganker thoughYARRRR!! None of my issues I hope to table concern piracy though. I'd say more but between the NDA and someone else in the CSM stealing my thunder and taking credit for my work-I'll have to just bite my tongue. D3

Originally by: Aleena Doran

Empyrean Age - Summer 2008 - Faction warfare
Quantum Rise - Winter 2008 - orca, weapon grouping, speed nerf, certificates and medals
Apocrypha - Summer 2009 - T3, wormholes, exploration overhall, L4 epic arcs
Dominion - Winter 2009 - sov overhall, titan and supercarrier rework, nulsec pirate faction epic arcs
Tyrannis - Summer 2010 - PI
Incursion - Winter 2010 - incursions, noctis, L4 agent quality removal
Incarna - Summer 2011 - standing in stations


The vast majority of these expansions get more players from hisec using the content than anywhere else in the game.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Posted - 2011.08.16 20:21:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Darius III
I have some tings to outline in December to revolutionize Hisec.


I still don't understand why people want to change much about highsec. After spending most of my first year of Eve finding everything there is to do in highsec, I find it to be a good environment that needs little improvement and certain doesn't need to be nerfed. If anything I'd say most of the highsec-related changes need to be in regards to making the game more accessible to new players.

Right now there's a big gap between the tutorials and actual gameplay that leaves a lot of people wondering what to do next and ultimately leaving the game. MOST gamers I've talked to who have tried Eve have left at the end of their trial because they felt like they were on their own and uncertain of what to do, not because they didn't like the game.

Let's revolutionize lowsec.


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