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ROAR Exodus
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:32:00 - [1]
 

Thank you CSM for all you do, Cheers.

I suggest that a nerf is appropriate only a percentage of the time.
Though it is the easiest to implement, it is also not necessarily conducive to the prosperity of EVE or any environment.

It ****es off all the people it affects directly. An indirect approach wouldn’t catch so much criticism. Like giving people the power to overcome what you consider needing to be nerfed.

You see it in Nascar and governments and other environments.
When considered on a single case basis it makes the best sense.
When reglations are added up over time and considered by “The end user” or affected parties, they are not necessarily positive.

In Balancing a game, countering a nerf, with increased capabilities to the other parties involved, can have the same desired effect. Without caging, the victims, with a negative effect. It’s much harder to implement sure. The easiest rout is not always the right one.

Example: I flew in a game called Fighter Ace. It was a combat flight simulator game. In the beginning it was very fun. Over the course of 10 years the most whined about uber killer planes were nerfed. At the end of ten years everyone was flying around in bathtubs that wouldn’t turn, couldn’t shoot, go fast or take a punch. It was boring and the game died.

Thinking out of the box
ROAR Exodus



Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:49:00 - [2]
 

I too agree, that nerfing 90% webs was bad thing. Bring back 90% webs.

Really dude.

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.07.17 16:48:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 17/07/2011 16:50:53
The alternative to nerfing is power creep, which would be even worse for the game. Personally I don't want to be playing something where only 5 ships are worth using.

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Example: I flew in a game called Fighter Ace. It was a combat flight simulator game. In the beginning it was very fun. Over the course of 10 years the most whined about uber killer planes were nerfed. At the end of ten years everyone was flying around in bathtubs that wouldn’t turn, couldn’t shoot, go fast or take a punch. It was boring and the game died.


Pretty stupid example as buffs can and do happen in this game. Remember when nearly all faction ships were just as useless as you described there? Remember when stealth bombers were just zero-niché toys? I do, but that changed and added more variety to the game.

The inevitable cost of this is that simple poor judgement or unforseen metagaming results in some of these ships becoming overpowered - i.e. the Dramiel. That's when the nerf bat is quite rightly swung.

Oh and lets look at major nerfs that have already happened. Nano nerf? Nanoships are still viable and frequently flown. They're just not godmode any more.
ECM nerf? Worked out fine, and brought the Falcon down to ranges it's realistically possible to kill at.
(And in the process they buffed the Rook, adding another viable ship).

So yeah, I really don't see why you're so worried here.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
I too agree, that nerfing 90% webs was bad thing. Bring back 90% webs.

Really dude.

Actually the nerf to webs was a classic example of over nerfing, something CCP excels at.

Silly Hoe
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:19:00 - [5]
 

ya i'd rather them give us things than take away... why slow down dramiels just give us counters to the dramiels

the nerf to 90% webs was over nerfing, less over nerfing needed more counters....

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:01:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 17/07/2011 18:04:50
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why slow down dramiels just give us counters to the dramiels


The Dramiel will still be perfectly usable post-nerf. And to answer your question: because if you've got a choice of bringing one ship back into line or buffing another 20, buffing the 20 would be a catastrophically stupid thing to do and would affect a lot more than one ridiculously OP frigate.

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less over nerfing needed more counters....


And exactly what do you propose implementing, that people wouldn't use for a lot more than Dramiel bashing?

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:14:00 - [7]
 

Yes, stop with the constant nerfing stuff. Everyone who's ever trained a good ship inevitably gets nerfed by CCP. Stop doing that!

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:15:00 - [8]
 

Nerfing webs to 60% was pretty much a perfect decision. That is one of the things CCP got exactly right.

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:27:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 17/07/2011 18:27:23
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Yes, stop with the constant nerfing stuff. Everyone who's ever trained a good ship inevitably gets nerfed by CCP. Stop doing that!


And this has happened to you... how many times? I fly 3 races out of 4. Grand total of ships I've had nerfed:
... 1. The Falcon.
And numerous others buffed.
Yes, CCP certainly are "constantly" "nerfing" everything.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.17 21:32:00 - [10]
 

Yes SCs are OP, so we can either:

Nerf SCs (for example half their EHP).

Or we can double the EHP of all other ships, double the damage done by weapons, double the ammount repaired by repair modules, half the repair cost in stations, etc. Then we are going to use a new unit for HP, where one new HP = 2 old HP.

In other words SCs have their HP nerfed by 50% only you made it look like all other ships got boosted.

Trinkets friend
Posted - 2011.07.18 07:50:00 - [11]
 

Even the nerf they propose for the Dramiel isn't really much of a nerf. Its going to make it actually killable by something, somewhere, maybe, if the Dram pilot stuffs up.

Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:08:00 - [12]
 

I agree,

CCP stop nerfing things, you ******s

SC are overpowered, since when... since the NC lost its space?
moongoo is overpowerd, since when since NC lost its space?

give back webs
bring back nano
give us back cruise missles
snping for the win, untill CCP nerfed it.

but yeah, go with the masses CCP. listen tp the damm n00bs that dont know how to play the game and want eve as a second WoW

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.07.19 12:29:00 - [13]
 

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give back webs


Stupid idea.

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bring back nano


Nanoships are still present and viable, just not godmode. Have you been living under a stone for the past two years?

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give us back cruise missles


Cruise missiles were never good. Buff them.

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snping for the win, untill CCP nerfed it.


Sniping is fine.

Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.07.19 14:39:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
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give back webs


Stupid idea.

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bring back nano


Nanoships are still present and viable, just not godmode. Have you been living under a stone for the past two years?

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give us back cruise missles


Cruise missiles were never good. Buff them.

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snping for the win, untill CCP nerfed it.


Sniping is fine.



You sir are the biggest dumbass in the game. Go back to your ice field/ blob ahum pvp ahum


 

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