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Dammit Jim
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:35:00 - [1]
 

Gang,

Short story: Our CEO did something dumb and got himself banned. Probably won't be coming back.

Unfortunately, none of us are directors and we never did the stock thing. There's no way for us to "call a vote" and get someone else in as CEO to keep the corp going. Are we just hosed or will a petition get us somewhere?

Thanks in advance!

Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:36:00 - [2]
 

If he's been banned then I would be surprised if a petition didn't work.

If it doesn't work, you can always make a new corp.

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:39:00 - [3]
 

typically in RL it would fall to the second most senior executive in the corporation.

CCP never thought of the eventuality that a CEO might leave, get banned or die?
I'm pretty sure you can petition it (or at least perhaps the 2nd oldest member could)

although knowing CCP it may take a considerable amount of investigation and time to get any sort of resolution as the scam factor of such a request is pretty high

Also Aswell
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:40:00 - [4]
 

Yea, I know we can make a new one but we kinda like the one we have. I can't believe we're the first corp who's run into this problem.

His character hasn't been deleted. We still see him as CEO but obviously he can't log in.

Rownen Kasozi
Minmatar
CHALYBS INC
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:40:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
If he's been banned then I would be surprised if a petition didn't work.

If it doesn't work, you can always make a new corp.


making a new corp would mean they lose out on the frozen assist's of their current one.

to thread starter,
petition it, explain to the dev's you and your corp's situation. and if it works, guess who just became new CEO....You pal! lol

Also Aswell
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:45:00 - [6]
 

Yea, probably me and I don't even want to be the CEO. I was just wondering if anyone else had any direct experience with this and thought it might work.

Thanks!

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:50:00 - [7]
 

CCP won't do anything until the ban expires. If its a permaban then you will have no problems at all with getting control of corp.

If its a temp ban and the guy isn't coming back then you will have a long wait - 3 months+ unless he co-operates.

Disturbed Pilot
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:52:00 - [8]
 

They should make me your new ceo, ccp look into it pls.

Stick Cult
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:55:00 - [9]
 

It's happened before, just petition CCP and they'll make someone the new CEO.

Hroya
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:56:00 - [10]
 

I think you need to wait a certain time of ceo awol ( 30 days ? ) and then you can petition the situation.

iirc you will be contacted then and a new ceo will be assigned as per agreed upon.

Been a loooong time ago though so this might not be accurate.


Lakuma
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:58:00 - [11]
 

(Still deciding if this is supposed to be linked to CCP or not)

Damn you coincidental topics!

CCP Guard


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.14 18:07:00 - [12]
 

You should file a petition. Customer Support is used to dealing with situations such as this one and they will help you reach the best solution possible.

Doc Banshee
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.07.14 18:44:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
You should file a petition. Customer Support is used to dealing with situations such as this one and they will help you reach the best solution possible.



Well, thats REALLY interesting since i've been told the exact opposite several times by CCP customer support.
I've tried petitioning the exact same situation, and got a loud "NO" from a Senior GM


Im really curious about how this plays out for your corp.


\Doc

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.14 18:52:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 14/07/2011 18:52:22
Originally by: Doc Banshee
Originally by: CCP Guard
You should file a petition. Customer Support is used to dealing with situations such as this one and they will help you reach the best solution possible.



Well, thats REALLY interesting since i've been told the exact opposite several times by CCP customer support.
I've tried petitioning the exact same situation, and got a loud "NO" from a Senior GM


Im really curious about how this plays out for your corp.


\Doc


There's your answer. Working as intended.

Also, to the OP, if your CEO is banned and he has less than 50% of the shares you would be able to vote him out. Sounds like you had a fail CEO anyway, but IMHO only a fail CEO would put mechanics in place that allow him to be voted out.

Montevius Williams
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.14 18:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Doc Banshee
Originally by: CCP Guard
You should file a petition. Customer Support is used to dealing with situations such as this one and they will help you reach the best solution possible.



Well, thats REALLY interesting since i've been told the exact opposite several times by CCP customer support.
I've tried petitioning the exact same situation, and got a loud "NO" from a Senior GM


Im really curious about how this plays out for your corp.


\Doc


Whatsup Doc

Every customer service situation is different. I've worked closely with Customer Service Management for over 7 years and I can tell you that solutions to customer service problems will typically be different, even in situations where both customers are exhibiting the same issue.

tl;dr - Just becasue they said no to you does not mean they will say no to OP - it all depends on the details.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.07.14 18:57:00 - [16]
 

The thing is the CEO might get unbanned. The corp belongs to him, will he then file another petition to CCP to get it back with all its assets, current and/or new assets?

We had a similar situation years back our CEO just left EVE for a very long period, but we had shares and directors...

Maybe a compromise could be made that the current assets are all transfered to the CEO character, and one of you gets to become the new CEO, but I think that would be quite some work for the GMs. Although consireding the rarity of such situations this could be executed for sake of customer satisfaction.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.14 19:08:00 - [17]
 

Definitely a fail CEO, everyone knows that you let one of the tools do the actual EULA violations! Pfft.

Make sure your petition goes in the right drawer as GMs probably can't/won't help you .. you need CS directly.

Uuali
Posted - 2011.07.14 19:12:00 - [18]
 

Oh lol! I thought you were talking about Hilmar and I was about to rejoice.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.07.15 10:33:00 - [19]
 

I've had an experience that is close, but not a direct comparison.

CEO left Eve (not banned), and there was nothing that could be done. The difference is that he could come back at any point, whereas a banned player won't be. So its definately worth a petition.

Mika Malicious
Posted - 2011.07.15 10:35:00 - [20]
 

My old CEO got himself permabanned, and I had no problem getting the CEO position when petitioning. I had to emphasize that he was _permanently_ banned, though.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:18:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 15/07/2011 11:19:24
Originally by: Doc Banshee
Originally by: CCP Guard
You should file a petition. Customer Support is used to dealing with situations such as this one and they will help you reach the best solution possible.



Well, thats REALLY interesting since i've been told the exact opposite several times by CCP customer support.
I've tried petitioning the exact same situation, and got a loud "NO" from a Senior GM


Im really curious about how this plays out for your corp.


\Doc

l2r "best solution possible" does not make any predictions as to the outcome of the case.

the "best solution possible" might very well be "NO" if any "better" solution is impossible due to guidelines the customer support has to base its decisions upon.

CCP Guard


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:24:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Doc Banshee
Originally by: CCP Guard
You should file a petition. Customer Support is used to dealing with situations such as this one and they will help you reach the best solution possible.



Well, thats REALLY interesting since i've been told the exact opposite several times by CCP customer support.
I've tried petitioning the exact same situation, and got a loud "NO" from a Senior GM


Im really curious about how this plays out for your corp.


\Doc


The best solution possible isn't always the one one prefers. Id like to state that I don't know anything about this case and really can't get involved in it specifically, I just wanted to make sure everyone knew that customer support has procedures and protocols to deal with situations like this one. Sometimes they can take action quickly, but sometimes they have to wait for other developments to pan out. It's wise to tread carefully when handing over full control of a corporation and there are many possible variants to a situation like this one that are obviously sometimes hard to discuss openly.

I wish you the best of luck with this and hope things get sorted out to everyone's satisfaction.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:29:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
...stuff...


Listen to that fella, he knows his business. After all we was Lead Game Master for quite a while, so he knows how things are going in this department! YARRRR!!

CCP Guard


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:42:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: CCP Guard
...stuff...


Listen to that fella, he knows his business. After all we was Lead Game Master for quite a while, so he knows how things are going in this department! YARRRR!!


I have a vague idea of the general principles. I attended the occasional meeting when I wasn't breakdancing on the roof with GM Nova.

Rolling Eyes

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.15 12:09:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: CCP Guard
...stuff...


Listen to that fella, he knows his business. After all we was Lead Game Master for quite a while, so he knows how things are going in this department! YARRRR!!


I have a vague idea of the general principles. I attended the occasional meeting when I wasn't breakdancing on the roof with GM Nova.

Rolling Eyes

Attending a meeting!!?
That's not where we want our subscription money!
Continue breakdancing!

Also Aswell
Posted - 2011.07.15 12:54:00 - [26]
 

Hey gang,

Thanks for all the valuable input. We're going to sit tight until we know whether or not this is a temporary or permanent ban. His characters are still there, he just can't log into them. Doesn't that mean it's temporary? I was under the impression that a permaban was "your characters are deleted."

Anyway, if it does turn out to be permanent we'll do the whole petition thing to get a new CEO in.

Thanks again!


Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.07.15 13:05:00 - [27]
 

In one of the anti-bot threads CCP Sreegs said CCP never deletes accounts, even with perma-bans.

Have you done the petition? If its temporary, Support will know its temporary and their actions will reflect that.

Also Aswell
Posted - 2011.07.16 13:03:00 - [28]
 

We're going to give it a few more days before we petition. Our CEO is still trying to smooth things over with CCP. Seems unlikely but we're going to wait a bit.

Thanks!

Phedre De'Launey
Chillwater Ltd
Posted - 2011.07.17 03:29:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Phedre De''Launey on 17/07/2011 03:30:31
Good luck! My last Corp. had a somewhat similar issue. (No Directors, no significant stock, etc).

The CEO died. There was RL documentation, but the petition was met with 'nothing can be done'.

We lost quite a few BPO's and other things.

Best of luck in getting a better answer to your situation. Very Happy

Shadow XII
Posted - 2011.07.17 04:01:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Phedre De'Launey
Edited by: Phedre De''Launey on 17/07/2011 03:30:31
Good luck! My last Corp. had a somewhat similar issue. (No Directors, no significant stock, etc).

The CEO died. There was RL documentation, but the petition was met with 'nothing can be done'.

We lost quite a few BPO's and other things.

Best of luck in getting a better answer to your situation. Very Happy


Exact same thing happened to me. Honestly CCP's unwillingness to do anything is full of **** - this cripples corporations and causes people to lose wealth, gameplay and friends, due to factors outside of the game that cannot be helped, since I bet the guy would much rather prefer not getting killed.


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