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Busyfooker Tal'darim
Posted - 2011.07.14 00:12:00 - [1]
 

When I was but a pup, in days long past. I remember's with fondness a game called Elite.

The question I have. Was this awesome granddaddy of Space Trading Games the inspiration for EVE. Was EVE the evolution of this once (still is) masterpiece of gaming history



/ Busy

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2011.07.14 00:20:00 - [2]
 

Star Trader in 74 (10 years before your pup game came out) was probably more akin to eve than your game.
It has a lot of Tradewars feelings to the game as well (same age as Elite).


Capdown Jakuard
Posted - 2011.07.14 00:41:00 - [3]
 

I remember a game called Galaxis online... Which was a somewhat like a mini-eve web browser game. Never come across anyone that played it though

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.07.14 05:54:00 - [4]
 

CCP should hire David Braben.

Or at least have a big statue of him in front of their building.

Vain Eldritch
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.14 07:16:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Sarina Berghil
CCP should hire David Braben.

Or at least have a big statue of him in front of their building.


They will, but only when Mr Braben releases Elite IV - and by the looks of it that will be right around the time that Satan starts skating to work.

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.07.14 07:28:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Vain Eldritch
Originally by: Sarina Berghil
CCP should hire David Braben.

Or at least have a big statue of him in front of their building.


They will, but only when Mr Braben releases Elite IV - and by the looks of it that will be right around the time that Satan starts skating to work.


And 2 weeks before Incarna is finished.

Uuali
Posted - 2011.07.14 09:11:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Uuali on 14/07/2011 09:11:47

It's more like they ripped off Terminus

Great game but they could not get the server to run efficiently. Lagged like hell and the game took a nose dive. I thought the same company did EVE when I first saw it. Figured they'd updated the game and got it working right.

WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.07.14 09:54:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Busy****er Tal'darim
When I was but a pup, in days long past. I remember's with fondness a game called Elite.

The question I have. Was this awesome granddaddy of Space Trading Games the inspiration for EVE. Was EVE the evolution of this once (still is) masterpiece of gaming history



/ Busy



I asked Oveur that at one of the Fanfests, turns out Elite was a big inspiration for Eve, then a friend of mine gave him a present of his ELITE BBC Micro edition cassette. He was touched, awww.

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
Posted - 2011.07.14 10:29:00 - [9]
 

I am surpised that EgoSoft and CCP don't get together

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.14 11:01:00 - [10]
 

Moved from 'EVE General Discussion' and offtopic posts removed.


AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.07.14 11:32:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Busy****er Tal'darim
The question I have. Was this awesome granddaddy of Space Trading Games the inspiration for EVE? Was EVE the evolution of this once (still is) masterpiece of gaming history?


Yes.

The original EVE logo was designed to look as close to the ELITE logo as possible and as I recall in the original offices of CCP, a copy of C=64 ELITE was in a glass case at reception.

ELITE LOGO

AK

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.14 12:24:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 14/07/2011 12:25:57
I do remember playing Elite back in the early 80s. In fact, that game was the reason why I bought the Spectrum+.

Apart from the fun and games with the security thing which one had to put onto the screen and to type in random letters from the diseased LensLok device the game was good and I played it for months.

Until the day that I warped from one galaxy to another and ended up at a station right on the left hand side of the map. No other stations were in range and since I just jumped there I couldn't jump back out. And, of course, that was that. Six months of playing to get to near Elite status and I was stuck.

I just couldn't face starting again with a new Commander Grob and having to wrestle with the spinning manual docking station malarky so the game and the SpeccyPlus went to a friend.


edited to add the lenslok link for those of a tender age. Perhaps CCP should use these when mining to distinguish between humans and botters...

Fragwit
Posted - 2011.07.14 12:30:00 - [13]
 

Elite was my inspiration and the reason I started playing eve.
sansha, pff, bring back the thargons I say.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.14 12:43:00 - [14]
 

Just don't accept that contract to haul those little furry creatures...

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.07.14 13:36:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Just don't accept that contract to haul those little furry creatures...

ROFL I remember that one, they started multiplying and crawling over your screen.

I never found out how to get rid of them...Confused

Marie Hartinez
Gallente
Aries Munitions and Defense
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: DeBingJos
Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Just don't accept that contract to haul those little furry creatures...

ROFL I remember that one, they started multiplying and crawling over your screen.

I never found out how to get rid of them...Confused


IIRC, the only way to get rid of the little buggers was to dive into a star to cook them. You had to go only as deep as you needed to scope hydrogen into your tanks.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:12:00 - [17]
 

I didn't know that.

I was forever scrapping my ship and getting a new one. And then, in the new cargo hold, there would be one furry creature...

Sentric Andrex
Posted - 2011.07.14 21:52:00 - [18]
 

Elite was the game that got me to play EvE today. I only played the first Elite game on C64 with my cousin. We did not even understand English, but still was able to grasp the game. I wish I could play EvE with my joystick.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.14 22:12:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Vain Eldritch
They will, but only when Mr Braben releases Elite IV - and by the looks of it that will be right around the time that Satan starts skating to work.

Actually, that might happen a bit earlier than that Twisted Evil

"As of July 2006, David Braben was working on a game called The Outsider with Frontier Developments. As said in a GameSpot interview, he was planning to start working on Elite 4 - as a space MMORPG game - as soon as The Outsider went gold. Braben said explicitly that this title was of a special value to him."

"In January 2011, David Braben confirmed that development on The Outsider had ceased, but the game had not been cancelled."

"At the twenty-fifth annual Game Developers Conference, Braben presented a post-mortem discussing the development of Elite. The final question in the Q&A section asked if Elite 4 was still on the drawing board and he replied "yes, it would be a tragedy for it not to be." "

Razz

So, not much hope, but not quite "after hell freezes over" hopeless.

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:49:00 - [20]
 

/me cuddles this thread.


I have such a special place for Elite.

I sometimes wonder if Braben looks at EVE and thinks 'Its been done'...
I sometimes wonder if Braben or Bell have ever wandered the stars of EVE.

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:27:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Until the day that I warped from one galaxy to another and ended up at a station right on the left hand side of the map. No other stations were in range and since I just jumped there I couldn't jump back out. And, of course, that was that. Six months of playing to get to near Elite status and I was stuck.
The sequel Elite II Frontier would have random disasters like that, you would have a superb char and a high end ship and your hyper drive would explode in an uncharted system or something like that and you would be completely stuck and have to start over or you would be making a manual landing on an unpopulated planet to pick up mining probes and would crash just as you land.

Both games where very unforgiving, even more so than EVE.

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.07.15 04:21:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Just don't accept that contract to haul those little furry creatures...


Those were a homage for Star Trek The_Trouble_With_Tribbles Cool

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.15 04:44:00 - [23]
 

I have been a gamer for a very long time, and i never played Elite :(

I wish i did though, the game does sound pretty special

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.15 05:46:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 15/07/2011 05:58:11

Originally by: Headerman
I have been a gamer for a very long time, and i never played Elite :(
I wish i did though, the game does sound pretty special

The originals haven't aged very well Smile

BUT...

At least people "refurbished" the third one in the series (Frontier : First Encounters) with 3D acceleration support heavily (while also fixing some of the leftover bugs), but very few improved much on the textures.
For instance, one of the earlier remakes was the JFFFE (or was it JFFE? or was that one the OpenGL-FFE?) and I think somebody else was working on one too, but no idea how it went.
A more recent and more extensive rework : FFE D3D sample vid

P.S. A direct comparison of the intro - the original version and the FFE D3D version : Linkage

P.P.S. Somebody made a short "let's play" of the start in the FFE D3D version, should get you a quick primer of what you can do early on : part 1, part2 (and there probably should also be a part3 somewhere, but I can't find it).

P.P.P.S. Site with more info.

Lutz Major
Posted - 2011.07.15 06:51:00 - [25]
 

WTS my mint 'Secrets of Frontier Elite' paperback for 1 billion ISK (shipping included) Very Happy

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2011.07.15 16:53:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Headerman
I have been a gamer for a very long time, and i never played Elite :(

I wish i did though, the game does sound pretty special


It was special, it wasnt just special, it was absolutely era changing.
Think that before elite the game worlds consisted of a blocky character and a few platforms, THEN Elite landed - it brought with it an entire universe, it brought 3 dimensional space, it brought EPICness.

Words cant describe just how Elite changed the world of computer gaming.

OK old now - but damn it, when it was NEW it was VERY different to EVERYTHING ELSE.

Sadly the cool kids forget that.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.15 17:35:00 - [27]
 

It STILL has some things very few other games can brag about, and it's a 16-year old game, ferchrissakes.
Like, newtonian flight (the only other game already out I recall being like that, I-War 1&2), including fuel consumption, ability to ACTUALLY land on planets (not just engage a near-meaningless landing animation), HUGE and highly detailed universe, including actual orbits of celstial bodies inside a solar system (again, none I can think of) !
The only game that claims to want to do all of that is Infinity, but that one has only slightly better chances of coming out than Elite 4 / the Elite MMO.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.07.15 22:54:00 - [28]
 

Outsider was mothballed. And judging by the graphics - it'll never see release. That was incredibly sad to hear as it ofc means Elite IV will likely never happen now.

EvE is based more on a precursor 2d MMO called Diaspora anyway. Its basically a carbon copy of the core mechanic of high, low and null sec and pos based sov. Market, trade commodities and corportations/alliances.


Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.07.15 22:56:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Akita T
It STILL has some things very few other games can brag about, and it's a 16-year old game, ferchrissakes.
Like, newtonian flight (the only other game already out I recall being like that, I-War 1&2), including fuel consumption, ability to ACTUALLY land on planets (not just engage a near-meaningless landing animation), HUGE and highly detailed universe, including actual orbits of celstial bodies inside a solar system (again, none I can think of) !
The only game that claims to want to do all of that is Infinity, but that one has only slightly better chances of coming out than Elite 4 / the Elite MMO.


Frontier was 250, 000 lines of Assembler. You got to admire that ****. Very Happy Its like a 'million' years. I can't even begin to comprehend how the hell you achieve something like that with what they had to work with. The degrees in maths and astrophysics helped probably. Very Happy

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.16 06:50:00 - [30]
 

Right on commander!

The hours I spent playing this game an an Acorn Electron (like the BBC but without mode 7 or 3 channel sound - and with a 2mhz processor - and 32k or RAM, not all usable). No Thargoids in that version :(

I'd love it if someone took the code and modded the game to make it MMO for a fun. As a mini game in the CQ.


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